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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:41 PM
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Sea Shepherd Announces Seal Defense Campaign 2008!

Sea Shepherd Crew to Shift from the Southern Ice to the Northern Ice

Captain Paul Watson and some of his crew will not rest after
defending whales when they return to Australia after three and a half
months of chasing and harassing Japanese whaling ships, and will
instead continue on to defend baby seals.

Within days of returning to Australia in late March, they will be
flying halfway around the world to Bermuda where Sea Shepherd's other
ship the Farley Mowat is docked. From there they will head North into
the ice packs off Eastern Canada to defend baby harp seals from the
ruthless clubs of Canadian sealers.

"There is no rest on planetary duty," said Captain Paul Watson from
onboard the Steve Irwin off the coast of Antarctica. "Half our year
is spent amongst icebergs and on ice floes. Our job is to hunt the
hunters to defend their victims and that takes us from the bottom of
the world to the top and many places in between."

Captain Watson has been fighting the Canadian seal slaughter all his
life. It was shut down in 1984 and resurrected in 1994.

"All our victories are usually temporary," he said. "Unfortunately
our defeats are usually permanent."

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is confident that years of risk
and effort will soon pay off. The European nations are banning seal
products and seal products have been banned in the United States
since 1972. Sea Shepherd has been slowly lobbying to remove the
markets at the same time as we have been mounting dramatic
confrontations on the ice to physically save the seals from the cruel
clubs of the sealers.

Patience and persistence is paying off. The seal hunt survives only
because of subsidies doled out to the sealing industry by the
government of Canada. It has become a glorified welfare scheme where
in return for killing seals for a few weeks the sealers can qualify
for unemployment insurance for the rest of the year.

"They say it's part of their culture," said Captain Watson who
himself grew up in an Eastern fishing village in the Canadian
province of New Brunswick. "It's a culture based on the cruel
clubbing of baby seals for a few weeks each year and drinking
Canadian Club and beer the rest of the year. It's a culture that any
Maritimer with half a brain abandoned generations ago."

In addition to the hazards of thick ice and nasty weather, the Sea
Shepherd crew face the threat of violence from the sealers and the
threat of arrest under the Canadian "Seal Protection regulations"
that make it a criminal offense to "witness or document the killing
of a seal without the permission of the government of Canada."

"As a kid I remember these baby killers bragging how they would slice
open the beating heart of the first baby seal they kill each spring,"
said Captain Watson. "They drank the hot blood and smeared it cross
upon their foreheads and dabbed blood on their cheeks. They called it
the "Rites of Spring." I called them barbarians then, and I call them
barbarians still, and as a Canadian and a Maritimer, I have been
ashamed of this bloody evil tradition all my life and I've dedicated
my life to shutting this monstrous obscenity down forever, and I
believe that soon we will see that day when the killing is ended."

In 2005 twelve Sea Shepherd crew were arrested after being attacked
and assaulted by sealers on the ice. Despite being struck by sealing
clubs, punched and kicked, not one sealer was arrested for assault.
The attack was video-taped and the sealers identified yet the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police stated there was "insufficient evidence" to
charge the sealers. The Sea Shepherd crew were jailed and fined for
approaching within a half a nautical mile of a seal being killed.

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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:41 PM
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1. Thank you Sea Shepherd people - K&R
The gruesome horror that is the seal slaughter is an affront to kindness, mercy, and humanity.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:58 PM
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4. I remember writing to ( at that time) Prime Minister Trudeau
protesting the seal slaughter back in the late 60s.

It's back in full swing.

Thank you, Sea Shepherd and your crew.

Safe journey and bless all of you!

:grouphug:
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:51 PM
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2. LOL @ this drama queen.
From what I hear, seal skin is extremely nice. It's too bad it's banned here, as getting to Canada is such a hassle these days.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Seal skin is nice- ON SEALS ONLY!
:thumbsdown:
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Please. I eaten and/or worn cow, deer, chicken, goose, etc.
There is not much difference between wearing a clubbed baby seal and eating a delicious veal Parmesan. Sure, seal cubs are cute. So are fawns and chicks.

I grant you that clubbing seems like a pretty unseemly way to kill them.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Yes. Veal is also for heartless douchebags. So glad we agree. nt
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. Labeled "heartless douche" vs not eating tender and delicious steak...
Veal wins, hands down.

Here is an article that talks about some of the advantage of seal skin over other materials:

http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF08e.htm
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Promoting the fur commission.
You're on the wrong site, asshole. Oh, wait, sorry...you're on the wrong site self defined heartless douche.

Oh, and fuck you.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. I'm going to skip the alert button and make a game attempt to continue the discussion.
What is so bad about hunting baby seals? I get that they are cute. That's not a good reason.

Are they endangered?

Being over hunted to the point that it threatens the ecosystem?

Being over hunted to the point that it threatens the supply of trained anti-terror Navy seals?

I come from a family of hunters. I don't have a problem with hunting, which so far as I can tell, is what this is.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. How'd you feel about a hakapik to your skull?
What's so bad...vanity, lack of need.

Go ahead and alert.

It's not hunting, it's killing. Most of you hunters and your douchebag fucking hunter families don't know the difference. No more, no less. You obviously don't know much about it, short of trying really hard to be an asshole here tonight.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Pretty bad. I'd imagine the only thing that could console me
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 09:12 PM by I work for workers
would be soft, durable and form flattering seal skin.

Educate me on the difference between hunting and killing, if you would.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #22
30. The difference between hunting and killing?
Isn't one. There's a certain honor for some in hunting. What you advocate is simple killing, bitch that it is.

Keep digging, asshole.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. Hunting, from wiki:
Hunting is the practice of pursuing animals for food, recreation, trade or for their resources. In modern use, the term refers to regulated and legal hunting, as distinguished from poaching, which is the killing, trapping or capture of animals contrary to law. Hunted animals are referred to as game animals, and are usually large, or small mammals, migratory gamebirds, or non-migratory gamebirds such as Bobwhite Quail.

The seal harvest fits every criteria to be considered a hunt. It is the lawful pursuit of an animal for the trade of the resource it provides. So far as "honor" is concerned, if anything it's more of a challenge to club an animal to death, young as it may be, then to shoot it.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. You've proven nothing with your pathetic wiki.
"...which is the killing..."

Way to bury yourself, moron.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Info on the seal slaughter.- Warning- Graphic details.
http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/

You want details- here they are.

Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals alive.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. It's funny that this particular shitbrick has the word "justice" in it's sig.
Pathetic.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Absolutely, Fivegan!
There is no " justice" in this whatsoever.

It's quite the opposite.

:(
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. I'm concerned with human justice first and foremost.
I like seals, but I'm not ready to cry over the seal fur harvest, much less commit acts of harassment.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. The "othering" process which allows for the callous disregard for animals and humans is the same.
To address one, both must be addressed.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. You JUSTIFY killing seals.
Big difference.

You wouldn't know justice if it kicked you square in the balls.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. I guess I left out the part about "selfish asshole" but the editing period is expired.
:thumbsdown:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Hi, Zach!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. "LOL"?- "Drama queen" ? -WTH?
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:18 PM by Kajsa
I think you got lost on your way to another website.


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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. You're right, I think I did:
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:07 PM by I work for workers
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Ted Nugent-

is that you?
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Just a joke. I'm pretty sure the gloves are made of neoprene. nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Better to be a "drama queen" than a douchebag.
Pity for you.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #2
18. While you're still here...
What would you like on your Tombstone?

Enjoy your stay.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. I'm a troll because I'm not bothered by hunting?
How many Democratic campaigns have you worked on? How many rallies have you participated in to help improve government? How many have you led? How many nights and weekends do you spend before an election in order to put good people in office? I have just as much reason to post here as anybody else, regardless of how I feel about one non-political issue.

Remember, you catch more flies with honey. So far, one post has made an effort to show me why seal clubbing is wrong, and ten or so have insulted me. If this is such a clear cut issue, then set me straight.

I swear, if I get banned for not caring about hunting, I'm heading to Canada and buying a seal skin g-string.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Self delete
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 09:41 PM by Kajsa

You saw post #19.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. I read it. Clubbing seals sounds like it's pretty
grizzly work, but it doesn't seem much worse then what factory raised chickens or veal calves go through. I enjoy the byproducts of their existence, so why should I give seals more respect? Unless they are endangered or something similar, why do they deserve special consideration?
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Why kill them?

What purpose is there to harvesting seal skins?

Is it necessary?
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. What purpose is there to us chatting online?
Not everything is a necessity. Most everything is a want. Judging by the price of furs, a lot of people want seal skin, which is apparently a quality material. It might not be pleasant, but that is the way the world works.

I wear leather gloves when it's cold. Some cow died so I wouldn't have to put my hands in my pockets. I can't pretend seal fur is inherently evil if I'm wearing another animal slaughtered for it's skin.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. No, you're a troll because of what you've posted.
Again, big difference.

Enjoy that seal skin g-string. Nice thing is that it'll act as a nice skull cap as well, considering where your head is.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Someone started a discussion about using eco terrorism to save seals.
I gave my opinion on the matter. In doing so I stayed well within the site rules, unlike yourself. Yet I am the troll on this thread? Get a grip. Relying on insults as a crutch for lack of reasoned arguments is a logical fallacy and a sign of intellectual bankruptcy.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Right wing meme.
Didn't anybody ever teach you the first rule of holes?
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. So says the person who has violated the rules with every post
on this thread:

3. Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.

Anyway, back to the discussion. The Sea Shepherd, although I agree with their fight against the hunting of endangered whales, uses eco-terrorism as their method of choice. It's not a right wing talking point, it's a law enforcement talking point.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. You don't get law enforcement nor "eco terrorism"
as a FReeper talking point.

Enjoy your stay. I'll have a good laugh when it ends.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. Horseshit.
"Eco-terrorism" is a right wing talking point, used to divert law enforcement resources from real terrorist threats like militant muslim groups, racist groups and the extremist right toward environmentalist groups which are a thorn in the side of their contributors.

Most of the acts of "eco-terrorism" people get in a flap would barely raise an eyebrow if it were motivated by any other cause.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Just because there are worse criminals out there
doesn't excuse people who are burning down houses and sinking ships. Eco-terrorism is a very real and very dangerous phenomena. I don't agree with using violence and destruction to try and solve matters best left to the legal system.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. "Dangerous?" Has any AR campaign in America ever hurt anybody?
No.

Property damage isn't violence, and great pains are taken by our side to make sure nobody gets hurt. The same, unfortunately, can not be said of the animal abusers.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. People don't have to be hurt for it to be terrorism.
ALF, ELF, the Sea Shepperd, etc use violence and property crime, and the threat of those things, to try and influence people in order effect some desired change. That is the definition of terrorism. I'll concede that the "eco" part is a nice sounding buzz word for the media to play with.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Thanks, Limbaugh.
Way to work the crowd, Rush.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. We already established that there's no violence involved.
For one thing, it would be counter to ALF/ELF guidelines. As for the risk of property damage? Hell yeah. If the authorities aren't protecting animals, than the best thing to do to save them is make animal abuse unprofitable.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. And ELF/ALF's chosen method is terrorism.
I don't deny they have never directly caused physical harm to anyone, unlike the Sea Shepperd people. That doesn't change the fact that they are all terrorist groups.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Thanks, Rush.
Great post, you RW bastard you.

Vote McCain, moron.

:thumbsup:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. SSCS hasn't caused physical harm to anybody either.
Clearly you don't know much of anything about this, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering to argue with you.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Eco-terrorism? Nice right wing talking point, poster.
So yes, you are indeed the troll, intellectual vacancy being worse than bankruptcy.

The Mark sounds angry.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. "Relying on insults as a crutch for lack of reasoned arguments is a logical fallacy
and a sign of intellectual bankruptcy."

Exhibit A:

LOL @ this drama queen.


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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Touche!
At least I've made the effort to back up my arguments. Unfortunately the vast majority of posts directed at me on this thread have contained no attempt to do so.

Again, my simple question: why is killing baby seals bad? If it's just because it's done in a messy fashion, would we all be in agreement it was ok if they were hunted by rifle instead?
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. Eco- Terrorism?
" From there they will head North into
the ice packs off Eastern Canada to defend baby harp seals from the
ruthless clubs of Canadian sealers. "

No, I don't think so.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Check what they did to the whaling fleet.
Cut nets, attacks on ships and crews. It's eco-terrorism, regardless of whether or not we agree with it.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. "Attacks on crews"?

Do you have a link to this?
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Wiki, et al.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd#_note-asahi

They tossed acid into people. They claim to have sunk ten ships.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. I don't find that from the link.
I do see them cutting illegal driftnets and stopping the Maru
from defying the international ban on whaling.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Right before the part you are talking about:
...Sea Shepherd members threw bottles of butyric acid onto the decks of the Kaiko Maru and one whaler was injured by broken piece of glass and another received medical treatment for his eye...

...On January 15, 2008, after attempting to entangle the hunting boat's propeller and throwing bottles of butyric acid onto the decks...
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. From the Japanese newspaper?

Of course they will make up shit to demonize the Sea Shepard.

Japan's press will try to justify this "whaling research" at any cost.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. Oh, that's going to be when two unarmed men carried over a letter asking the whaling fleet to leave
the Antarctic Whale Sanctuary.

Could somebody dig up the photos? That should clear that one right up, assuming the silly prospect of two unarmed men being any threat to a whole ship of whalers didn't.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Yep, LeftyMom.
That's the story I heard, not any of these "terrorists"
claims worksforworkers has made.


:eyes:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. Yes!!! Right wing talking points!! Nice!
Must've been a sale at Douchebags 'R Us tonight.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. No, because of your general douchebaggery.
I've noticed some of your posts on other threads and I thought you were an asshole.

Your ability to make friends and influence people on this thread just confirms it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
12. The Sea Shepherd captain and crew are some of my heroes
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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:31 AM
Response to Original message
63. Canada keeps subsidizing infant seal slaughter
snip> Sealing nations such as the UK, Norway, and Canada have repeatedly claimed that to maintain commercial fishing populations they must cull seal herds.

This deception betrays scant understanding of marine ecology. For several millennia to the 18th century, some 30 million Harp seals lived in a North Atlantic teeming with cod, capelin, herring, and so forth. If 30 million seals did not deplete the fish stocks, it is inconceivable that 3 million seals will deplete the fish stocks.


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