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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:26 AM
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Precision Buzz Marketing..on psych wards..
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 01:36 AM by undergroundpanther
Some of the new psych drugs scare the fuck out of me. The Marketing methods SICKEN me..The testing required on these shiny new drugs is practically a joke..But it's not funny at all..


And yes, I too, was given a sales pitch for fucking invega .For I was in a psych ward...There, much to my shocked revulsion, things had changed in the 15 years since I was in one the last time..The hospital staff was actually promoting big pharma's nasty pills in the guise of "mental health education". And apparently this has been going on for a while.. Please pass me a barf bag..And I bet that bag will be advertising some happy pills on it too.

http://carlatpsychiatry.blogspot.com/2007/08/art-of-pre-release-cme-arketing.html

The staff member giving us the pitch was a licensed clinical social worker.. "teaching" this "class" on "mental health education". He was open about how he meets with the pharma reps from time to time,and he told us how they buy him a nice dinner and tell him about new drugs and he gets all their perks .
After he meets with these slime balls in suits,he comes into the ward and "teaches" the patients , some manic, depressed, suicidal, hearing voices, all are generally are suffering, and all are captive audiences required to "go to groups" and scheduled activities because that is the so called "therapy" part of being stuck in the hospital.And for"therapy" we hear about all the "wonderful,safe, and effective, almost effortless "new" drugs.
WTF??!!

As he sweet talked us up with promises of happiness that can only be had in a capsule a day..I smelt a LOT of bullshit.And yes he calls the drugs by brand NAME, repeating it louder,just like a trained seal,performing and appearing to believe in the sales pitches as TRUTH from pharma reps as if it is actually unbiased information. I sat there dumbfounded by all this.

After this vomitile sales pitch I witnessed..Suddenly several other patients announced in this "education group" they wanted to be put on that drug..what was it?? vega? Inveg,?? ASAP.

:mad:
In the book "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell -- who is an author well-read by the pharmaceutical industry -- the author talks of the tipping point as the "moment of critical mass, the threshold, the boiling point" when an idea, fashion, or product takes off.

First, you have to identify the equivalent to "high prescribers" among patients. These people would fit Gladwell's profile of Mavens: their motivation is to educate and help.

....focus on the true customers among consumers -- the patients who are taking the drugs..
http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/2006/08/precision-buzz-marketing.html

Fuck THE damn Marketers Arrgh!.

:nuke:

Disturbingly,I observed no questions arose from any of the patients about potential drug interactions, toxicity, nasty side effects, how it works, what is it made of, how it was tested, or anything like that. Nor was it brought up by our"teacher"/staff/sales rep. They wanted to TRY it. It bothered me how the other patients were so easily convinced it was obvious in order to get better means one has to be eager to ingest all the little poison pills the"professionals" recommend at the appointed times .. FOREVER .. And he pitched it all to us like that fucking pill was THE solution to every emotional problem..What I saw was a particularly sickening kind of predatory marketing trend to ever trust anything that is called "mental health education" as ANYTHING but Marketing Propaganda..




It just got me so inwardly sad, pissed off and disgusted..I also wondered how many more psych hospital staff out there are now being wined and dined into being degreed drug pushers for the pharmaceutical companies?
So now it is the psych staff working in the wards,being smarmy salesmen,and if NAMI'S cozy drug rep relations wasn't bad enough for psych survivors , NAMI as "consumer advocates" my ass....Ugh!......It's all so absolutely disgusting.

Is that all psych hospitalization is good for now?.. marketing, as if it was therapeutic to be manipulated into taking even MORE drugs in psych wards than you already take?? Is this what medicaid money is paying for? Fuck this shit.

How disgusting can it be,??? Find out..
http://nurse-ratcheds.blogspot.com/2008/01/invega-popcorn-review.html
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=33951
http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2007/05/treating_children_p.html

I am serious as a heart attack..Some of these "wonderful drugs" are fucking dangerous.Take them if it helps you, but dammit BE AWARE of what ALL the RISKS are!!! Do NOT just TRUST the "professionals" or "helpful staff" as if they have your interest at heart because they may have been targeted and already bought into the "buzz".
http://ww1.prweb.com/releases/2007/3/prweb508352.htm
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/05/18/autism_misdiagnosis/
.......

I haven't written about my fun day I had with an Invega drug rep sales guy. I was in the psychiatrist's waiting room, and there he was, all shiny in his suit, his badge on and his big ass suitcase full of Pharma freebies. I walk in and stop in my tracks. Oh, a Pharma rep, right here in person I look into the counter area and see he has already handed over enormous latte'style coffee mugs that are bright orange with INVEGA on it. Loaded like candy inside were lovely Invega samples. Damn it looked good, like a party favor, or a teacher's gift resembling one's I've received, only those were filled with Hershey kisses.Not Invega, the dollar store version of Risperdal.
http://bipolarsoupkitchen-stephany.blogspot.com/2007/11/son-of-risperdal-invega-dollar-store.html

Janssen’s marketing team apparently missed the fact that the word in the English language that sounds most like “Invega” is “inveigle,” meaning “to entice, lure, or ensnare by flattery or artful talk or inducements”
http://www.thecarlatreport.com/index.asp?page=wp3152007185348

The FDA is useless..Is there nothing that can stop these predatory, manipulative,lying,corporate marketing pieces of shit??
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/washington/01fda.html?ex=1354165200&en=247c4c16573ced82&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2007/08/fixing_a_borken_fda.php
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:21 AM
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1. Drug marketing is out of control.
People are getting hurt.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:03 AM
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2. I know
And the rage I feel,at the injustice it just burns. I just wish there was a way to force the conscience- less Ceo's running these fucking companies, all the decadent elitist rich , powerful and psychopathic pigs to SUFFER and PAY for their crimes against humanity. PAY in the way that will hurt them and crush their profiteering greed the most.

I want them and all their associates heirs and buddies to be held accountable personally and to suffer for all the evil things they have done. I want the pharmacy company owners to feel the suffering they profited from as if it was their own minds and bodies being sickened and broken over and over by their fucking chemicals.

I want the marketers and ceo's to suffer guilt and to be sickened like so many people have already been because of the Corporates insatiable greed , the lies and those predatory tactics and the evil hearted exploitation and abuse of other people's pain and desperation for their own profits. May the rich and psychopathic be exposed,humiliated, made to be destitute, mistrusted,shamed,shunned,beaten and crushed underfoot like scum forever ,everyday drowning in pain and hate everywhere they go..until they just kill themselves.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:42 AM
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3. I wish there were more studies on deadly abrupt withdrawal "adverse effects" to patients/victims
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM by fed-up
while psych meds may help some people, they also harm a great many others, people need to be able to make educated choices about whether they really need the meds and need to be fully educated about adverse effects.

link for database of stories
http://www.ssristories.com/

SSRI Stories

Antidepressant Nightmares


WARNING!
Withdrawal can often be more dangerous than continuing on a medication. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified specialist.


This website is a collection of 2100+ news stories with the full media article available, mainly criminal in nature, that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) or that were part of FDA testimony in either 1991, 2004 or 2006, in which antidepressants are mentioned.

Antidepressants have been recognized as potential inducers of mania and psychosis since their introduction in the 1950s. Klein and Fink1 described psychosis as an adverse effect of the older tricyclic antidepressant imipramine. Since the introduction of Prozac in December, 1987, there has been a massive increase in the number of people taking antidepressants. Preda and Bowers2 reported that over 200,000 people a year enter a hospital with antidepressant-associated mania and/or psychosis. The subsequent harm from this prescribing can be seen in these 2100+ stories.

These stories have been collected over a period of years by two directors of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness (ICFDA). Their focus has been on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), of which Prozac was the first. Other SSRIs are Zoloft, Paxil (Seroxat), Celexa, Sarafem (Prozac in a pink pill), Lexapro, and Luvox. Other newer antidepressants included in this list are Remeron, Anafranil and the SNRIs Effexor, Serzone and Cymbalta as well as the dopamine reuptake inhibitor antidepressant Wellbutrin (also marketed as Zyban).

A public health problem of epidemic proportions
The Physicians' Desk Reference lists the following adverse reactions (side effects) to antidepressants among a host of other physical and neuropsychiatric effects: manic reaction (mania, e.g. kleptomania, pyromania, dipsomania), emotional lability (or instability), abnormal thinking, alcohol abuse, hallucinations, hostility, lack of emotion, paranoid reaction, amnesia, confusion, agitation, delirum, delusions, hysteria, psychosis, sleep disorders, abnormal dreams, and discontinuation (withdrawal) syndrome. Adverse reactions are especially likely when starting or discontinuing the drug, increasing or lowering the dose or when switching from one SSRI to another SSRI. Adverse reactions are often diagnosed as bipolar disorder when the symptoms could be entirely iatrogenic (treatment induced). Withdrawal, especially abrupt withdrawal, from any of these medications can also cause severe neuropsychiatric and physical symptoms. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified and experienced specialist.

In addition to the adverse reactions listed in the Physicians' Desk Reference, the FDA published a Public Health Advisory on March 22, 2004 which states (in part): "Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia (severe restlessness), hypomania, and mania have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as for other indications, both psychiatric and nonpsychiatric." (Click Links button at bottom of this page for a direct link to this FDA Warning.)

Most of the stories on this site describe events which occurred after the year 2000. The increase in online news material and the efficiency of search engines has greatly increased the ability to track stories. Even these 2100+ documented stories only represent the tip of an iceberg since most stories do not make it into the media. There are 45 cases of bizarre behavior, 28 school shootings/incidents, 49 road rage tragedies, 10 air rage incidents, 32 postpartum depression cases, over 500 murders (homicides), over 180 murder-suicides and other acts of violence including workplace violence on this site.

There is a grave concern among advocates that adverse reactions are greatly underestimated by the public, the medical profession and the regulatory authorities. Each of these stories in our list can be interpreted as an adverse reaction and in most cases we have highlighted the portion of the article that refers to evidence of bizarre behavioral change consistent with drug reaction. In some stories causation is acknowledged and the juxtaposition of these stories with those where it goes unrecognized as well as the repetition of themes and circumstances is chilling. If indeed medications played a significant role in all these tragedies, then this is a public health problem of epidemic proportions on a global scale.

..snip


more links to horror stories on this website:

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/casualties.htm

HOME Articles Studies Doctors Lawsuits Children Casualties Pharma Safe? Side-Effects Experiences Information and Support Sites Serotonin & the Pineal Gland Search
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:48 AM
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4. Common quinolone and fluoroquinolone antibiotics cause horrible effects also
Cipro and Levaquin are known for causing crippling tendinitis/tendon ruptures. They are relatively new to the market and were designed to treat very difficult infections that don't respond to common antibiotics. Instead they are prescribed like candy, pushed as top tier drugs, and the medical community is involved in a major hush-hush/denial re the numerous side effects ... even though the FDA just fought hard to get Levaquin's maker to include the tendon rupture warning on their product fact page.
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