Another shooting: Wendy's in West Palm Beach...

[sinkingfeeling]

http://www.wpbf.com/news/15474521/detail.html

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Initial reports say that at least four people have been shot at a Wendy's restaurant in West Palm Beach, WPBF News 25 reported.

A shooter apparently entered the restaurant at Cherry Road and Military Trail and shot several individuals around 12:10 p.m. Monday, Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue spokesman Don Delucia told WPBF News 25. The shooter then reportedly shot himself, Delucia said.


I think a person's chances of being shot to death in the USA are much higher than being killed by an 'Islamofascist'.

[villager]

1. but, but, but... guns -- the more the better! -- are keeping us all safe!

n/t

[TaxUser]

11. Except in those States that make it hard to protect yourself

See the Article: http://www.kc3.com/editorial/what_the_media_dont_admit.htm

Here's why: Guns make us safer.

As gun ownership rises, violent crime drops. The more likely that a victim may be armed, the less likely that he - or she - will be attacked. And when victims are attacked, guns tilt the odds in their favor. Government data show that women who don't resist when confronted by an attacker end up seriously hurt 2.5 times more often than women who resist with a gun. For men, it's 1.4 times more often.

In an exhaustive marathon of research, University of Chicago Law School professor John Lott and economist David Mustard analyzed FBI crime records from all 3,054 US counties over a 19-year period (1977-1995). Nothing, they found, had a more decisive impact in lowering violent crime rates than the adoption of ''shall-issue'' laws - i.e., laws giving adults with no criminal record the right to carry concealed handguns.

Such laws are now in force in 31 states. ''Our most conservative estimates,'' writes Lott, ''show that by adopting shall-issue laws, states reduced murders by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent, aggravated assaults by 7 percent, and robbery by 3 percent.'' The effect is especially pronounced in big cities. ''In counties with populations of more than 200,000, concealed-handgun laws produced an average drop in murder rates of more than 13 percent.''

Lott and Mustard used multiple-regression checks to correct their data for arrest and conviction rates, for prison sentences, and for new gun-control laws. The results were unambiguous: More concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, drives down murder, robbery, and aggravated assault.

[villager]

13. yes -- everyone should've drawn and shot at everyone else!

Safer still!

I love the logic of gun-lusters!

[High Plains]

17. Isn't Florida one of those right to carry states?

[idovoodoo]

21. 45 states are.

...

[slackmaster]

23. Yes, Florida even has an extended version of the Castle Doctrine

Unlike most states where your "castle" rights end at your doorstep or property boundary.

It didn't help in this case, OTOH it didn't make the situation any worse.

[Tesha]

19. Ahh a newly-arrived "defender of guns!" How wonderful! (NT)

[spoony]

33. It's more refreshing than the bloody-shirt-waving crowd.

[depakid]

42. "Guns make us safer" LOL.

All that sorry sophistry to try and get people to buy into bullshit that they can see right through with their own "lying eyes."

And Americans wonder why they're in the sorry shape they're in....

[SoFlaJet]

2. wow that's only a few miles away

from where we live

[tkmorris]

27. Same here

[monmouth]

29. I used to go there on my lunch hour at least two times a week...geez n/t

[Zookeeper]

3. *Sigh.* This is very sad.

My condolences to all of the families involved. :-(

[leftofthedial]

4. More guns! More guns!

More guns!

2 dead (MSNBC a few minutes ago)

Want ketchup with that?

[KG]

5. but, just think if everbody in that Wendys had a gun! woohoo!

[Tesha]

6. It can't be! Just a week or two ago, a DU Gun Nutter assured me no one gets shot in restaurants!

They wouldn't have lied to me, would they???

Tesha

[zanne]

10. They don't lie...

They just "dissemble".

[villager]

14. Gun-lusters? *Lying?* Or making shit up?

Nah...

[zanne]

15. They're alerting their minions as we speak...

To come to the defense of gunners everywhere!

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[Tesha]

41. Go find it yourself. I don't jump through hoops for gun nutters. (NT)

[slackmaster]

7. Another untreated mentally ill person running around loose, no doubt

Bummer.

In before the "If only everyone in Wendy's had been crazy, this wouldn't have happened" crowd.

[idovoodoo]

18. I figured the "penis substitute" obsessed morons would be first.

:eyes:

[zanne]

8. Here come the gunners in defense of the Second Amendment...

Here are the expected excuses:
1) The person was mentally unstable
2) The gun was not bought legally
3) Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

They can rationalize anything.

[slackmaster]

9. So, what's your solution zanne?

More crazy people running around loose and untreated?

Obviously the guy was mentally unstable, because only a mentally unstable person could do such a thing.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

12. His solution

is to take white out to the bill of rights..

[Swamp Rat]

16. Hmm, someone else already did that and it worked.

Bush’s War on the Bill of Rights by Anthony Gregory:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory10.html

[LSK]

39. or just read it correctly

[LSK]

38. Gun Law — European Style

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LSK/111

[raccoon]

22. Maybe I should move somewhere less dangerous.

Such as Colombia. :sarcasm:

[truth2power]

24. I wish all these threads didn't devolve into flame-fests about guns, and

there were more attention paid to the peculiar nature of these shootings.

What is with this - people showing up, shooting people, and then precipitously killing themselves. And the history of the shooter is always really vague - "Well, they saw a psychiatrist five years ago," or some crap like that.

What's going on here? Maybe people are really stressed out, which I can understand, given the current state of affairs in this country, but these incidents seem almost scripted. Just MHO. :shrug:

[zanne]

28. The problem is, our society is sick...

And it's armed. So, guns are part of the problem. Very few people go berserk and manage to stab several people at once. Guns are an easy way to wound and kill, so even though it's only one part of the problem, it's big part.

[SteveM]

31. "Flame fests:" Notice who starts them? The prohibitionists. (nt)

[aikoaiko]

25. My condlences to the victims and families.

Murder is a terrible thing and can happen randomly. This is why I carry a concealed gun where I can -- such as Wendys.

One never knows when someone with a gun, knife, machete, or anything dangerous could come into your life.

I'm grateful I am able to carry a concealed weapon and defend myself and others should I be able to.

[ecstatic]

26. Domestic terrorism getting out of control

We're going to reach a point where people will be afraid to go out even for school or a quick bite to eat. I guess it's a fitting fate, considering what BushCo did in Iraq.

[Vickers]

30. When will we finlly put a stop to

fast-food restaurants????????

:shrug:

[RockaFowler]

32. I mentioned this in LBN

The shooter murdered a Palm Beach County Firefighter. He only went into the Wendy's because he had ordered a Kid's Meal for his daughter and there was no toy. This is very tragic. That should be the story. Not that we have that stupid Castle Doctrine. That wouldn't have saved anyone.

[malaise]

35. He killed and injured all those people

for a cheap toy. Clearly he had other serious problems.

[RockaFowler]

37. No, you have that wrong

The Firefighter went back in to get the toy for his daughter

[truth2power]

40. The firefighter who came back for the toy was the VICTIM not the shooter.

:)

[malaise]

43. How sad

Thanks for the correction. Life sucks.

[malaise]

34. What a tragedy for those innocent people

Guns kill faster than anything else.

[question everything]

36. Ah, "people kill people" but it is easier for them with easily gotten gun (nt)