Can you say r.a.t.i.o.n.?

[lonestarnot]

Long lines, signs out of gas? Demand up supply down, $104+ a barrel. What bullshit! We are imploding.

[BeHereNow]

1. Horses are our friends!

As are our bikes.

I don't think people have a clue how near we
are to a complete collapse.

BHN

[lonestarnot]

3. I'm going to put some burros on the grass in the yard to save on

mowing and the energy that takes and haul groceries. Fuck the neighbors. LOL heeeeee hawwwwwwwwwwwww

[Kitty Herder]

19. The damn things will keep you up all night with their braying, too, not just

your neighbors. Take it from someone whose neighbor keeps mules.

[lonestarnot]

32. Maybe they don't feed them? This not usual behavior.

They usually sleep at night like everyone that doesn't work the night shift. :kick:

[Kitty Herder]

75. They don't take very good care of them. I think they feed them well enough; they're fat. But

they leave them in their enclosure all the time without much exercise. The poor things are probably bored and depressed.

[UndertheOcean]

2. Its gonna reach $250 before the end of this year

Great , will energize research in solar and other alternatives .. Already funds are starting to trickle in

[margotb822]

65. Repubs will manipulate the price

It will go down before the election, so that they can try to claim some semblance of control over the economy (and it will probably coincide with our "free money" checks)

Even the government admits they did it in '06...check out the graph

[SpiralHawk]

4. Food rationing on the way, too?

check this DU thread...scroll down and get all the news...

Thanks a pantload, republicons...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2963253

[BeHereNow]

7. Consumer wars over food...

Only a matter of time before the supply/availability of food
is dwarfed by the demand.

I'm stocking up on as much as I can.
Rice, beans, oatmeal etc...

Seriously thinking about what type of gun to buy too.

BHN

[lonestarnot]

23. Clean water as public sector services cut. Channel 11 painted an

ugly cut out picture last night. Of course it was aired at some god awful hour so no one would be watching.

[earth mom]

44. Could you please share the list of what you're stocking up on?

TIA!

:hi:

[BeHereNow]

67. Basically anything that will store and has nutrient value.

You can buy 5 gallon containers that have airlock lids-
line them with plastic and fill them with grains and legumes and pasta.
Water, canned goods- canned fish (protein) fruits, veggies, also dried fruits and nuts.
http://www.redcross.org/images/pdfs/preparedness/A5055.pdf
Good site for basic common sense strategies.

Also store water, batteries and a radio, vitamins
and any medications that you might need.
Basically, all the things you would need in the event of a
natural disaster.
Only this disaster is brought to us courtesy of the
global elite who would be more than happy
if 2/3 of us were dead.

There are also many good books on urban survival.

BHN

[earth mom]

74. I've seen lists here on DU before, but wanted to know if you personally had good tips

because you always sound so informed and ahead of the pack.

There are 3 of us here plus pets and I've started gathering stuff, but I just don't know how much we actually need-that's where I'm stumped.

Thanks for the info and for the link. :hi:

[Speck Tater]

5. Empires don't collapse overnight.

It's a slow-motion affair that takes a couple of generations at least. The collapse of the American Empire is already under way. Our grandchildren will live in a third-world country.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. Or a "previous" empire like Britain. Or something unique, combining

qualities of both or others.

See, I can do Nostradamus,too. :hi:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. Why are people not seeing it? As they're forking over 50 dollars plus a fill up, as they're paying

1/3 more for groceries than a year ago, why is this not being discussed?

Even as demand has dropped, the prices have risen

Yet many are acting as if we are stil living in the pocket change for fuel age.

:shrug:

[BeHereNow]

9. Why is it not being discussed?

Because the majority of Americans are fucking clueless.
Obama!
Hillary!
American Idol politics!

BHN

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

11. It sucks to be us.

[BeHereNow]

20. Yes it does suck... and it's going to suck worse.

BHN

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

35. Well, I actually have some hope that a glimmer of sanity will be returned to

the government.

That glimmer has been sadly lacking, lately.

[lonestarnot]

12. Well we all know where to cross the border into Mexico, Henderson's house in Texas.

[annabanana]

80. ack!. . . lol. . (spittake). . . . . .n/t

[bobbolink]

15. Because so many people are fat and happy in their McMansions and War Wagons

and haven't a thought or care about those who can't make it.

:cry:

[Purveyor]

10. As reported today, the US gasoline stockpiles are at a 14 year high. There is no shortage of

gasoline, just profiteering.

[lonestarnot]

14. That would be the reserve?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

16. Link, sil vous plait.

Merci.

[lonestarnot]

18. Ooops.

pardon' por favor.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

36. LOL

Muy bien! :toast:

[lonestarnot]

39. YOU ARE WRONG!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD8V7G1L80

[Purveyor]

61. You are right. From the link you posted "gasoline supplies rose last week to a 15-year high "...

I was off by one year. I stand corrected.

LOL!

[bobbolink]

13. Rationing would be the sensible --and PROGRESSIVE!-- way to go.

Yet, so many "liberals" will campaign again for higher gas taxes to rape poor folk.

[BeHereNow]

17. Can we start with rationing the gazillions of barrels going to fuel the war machines?

Just think how cheap gas could go if we didn't need
to fuel all those humvees, tanks and F-16s?

BHN

[PDJane]

24. Right on the money, thank you.

Want to do something to stop global warming? Want to help the gas/oil situation? Want to do something about pollution?

Stop the various occupations, reign in the bush bunch, stop funding the Pentagon's little experiments.

If you love your uncle Sam, bring 'em home, bring 'em home........

[bobbolink]

26. If you're asking ME, the unqualified answer would be .....

YES!

:)

I've been seeing lots of Hummers, right here locally, left running....in a damned parking lot!! And liberals think raising the gas tax would seriously affect these idiots and cause them to conserve?????

The mind boggles.....

[BeHereNow]

27. Any one in American driving a hummer needs to enlist- NOW.

Dumb fucks.

BHN

[bobbolink]

30. Around these parts, they're usually bottle-blondes... and yes, I'd love to see 'em

in sand camo and the boots.

Especially the boots.

But, they'd probably break a fingernail and have a breakdown.

Can you get PTSD from a broken fingernail?

:evilgrin:

[EnviroBat]

76. Key the fucking things.

People still driving those stupid pieces of crap in light of what's happening all around us should be incarcerated.

[lonestarnot]

21. Very very very good point!

:applause:

[bobbolink]

29. Thank you! Yet, there are so many "progressives" who get irate when I say this.

Can you explain to me *when* regressive taxes became a Democratic Party and "liberal" value?

RATION, dammit!

It's the only way to effect real conservation of resources, and it's the only FAIR way!

[lonestarnot]

31. A tip of the hat in agreement.

But you and I both know that life isn't fair and that's all I have to offer on that.

[bobbolink]

33. And I guess I could do the expected thing and nod my head in agreement....

except that from where I sit, there is waaay too much suffering, and many too many preventable deaths.

Given that, I'll keep agitating for "Fair".

[lonestarnot]

37. Right on bobbolink!

:hug: and me likewise!

[bobbolink]

42. Thanks. It's not easy going against the tide. There is a price to pay.

But, there's a bigger price to pay for sitting where it's safe, and turning one's back on suffering...

Brave words, I know... but I hate the choice, and rail against it!!

:banghead: :argh: :hide: :argh: :banghead:






:hug: :yourock: :hug:

[lonestarnot]

46. My price appears to be wrinkles, loss of sleep, and other health issues thus far,

but hanging in there for high tide! :evilgrin: :hug: :yourock: :loveya:

[bobbolink]

53. Well, that certainly presents a fine mental image... ^_^

Kinda about the same as mine... :hi:

Did you see my thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2959812

Buckle up, cuz it's gonna get warmer with the next one...

:pals: :patriot: :pals:

[lonestarnot]

62. Thanks for the link.

I'll check it out now.

[bobbolink]

78. I hope you read a lot of the comments... some good info there.. good

discussion.

[bobbolink]

34. Or, as I used to say... Yes, I have a point...

but if I'd comb my hair right, it wouldn't show.

:rofl:

:hi:

[DS1]

22. Oil prices would rise on speculation that the US will be buying less

It's crazy, but that's what they would say.

[alfredo]

25. The supply is high and demand is dropping. Usually prices drop because

of such conditions.

[lonestarnot]

28. Please give me a link stating supply is high.

[Captain Angry]

38. Here's one.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-23545540.htm

For a while now, oil hasn't been the problem, refining capacity has been the problem. Add to that speculators on the futures market, and you end up with expensive oil.

Let's do the math. Dot-Com bubble. Money pours in. Bubble pops. Money pours out. It goes into Real Estate. Real Estate turns into bubble. Bubble pops. Money pours out. It goes into commodities (gold/oil)... Wonder what comes next.

Gold, like oil, is not in short supply. But it has been "demanded" into a high price. More gold is produced every year than is consumed.

People that are worried about bank failures are pulling their cash out and buying gold/silver. I have a feeling that when gold hits $1000, it will drop like a rock. There are probably a LOT of commodity traders who are waiting for it to hit the magic number. There are no fundamentals underlying the price of gold or oil at their current values.

The only question right now is, where will the money go next? I know people who are just leaving their money in low-yield but safe savings accounts to wait for things to settle down.

[lonestarnot]

41. And here's the latest.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD8V7G1L80

Oil Jumps on Surprise Supply Drop
By JOHN WILEN – 5 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Oil surged Wednesday, rising a remarkable $5 a barrel to a new record over $104 after the government reported a surprise drop in crude oil stockpiles and OPEC held production levels steady.

Most analysts had expected the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration to report oil supplies rose last week for the eighth straight time. Instead, they fell by 3.1 million barrels.

In Vienna, meanwhile, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries said it would hold production levels steady, at least for now.

[Captain Angry]

45. From your article.

Many analysts believe oil's rally will be short-lived. Falling demand for overall petroleum products, which was down 3.4 percent over the last four weeks compared to the same time last year, suggest prices could drop steeply once the dollar-driven oil investment frenzy runs out of steam, analysts said.

[lonestarnot]

47. That does not address supply, only demand.

[SpiralHawk]

43. Where will the money go next?

Lots of people shifting to 'invest' in commodities such as wheat, corn, rice, etc...and driving the price Sky High...

[lonestarnot]

49. Yes. If they have anything to "invest." LOL snort

:rofl:

[lonestarnot]

40. AND YOU ARE WRONG

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD8V7G1L80

[NutmegYankee]

59. OR NOT

While investors chose Wednesday to focus on last week's decline in oil supplies, analysts noted that oil inventories are at historic highs. Meanwhile, demand for gasoline is falling, and several forecasters have cut their oil demand growth predictions for this year.

"There are some very disturbing things in this report on the demand side," said Andrew Lebow, senior vice president at MF Global Inc. in New York.

[lonestarnot]

60. Hoof hearted?

Somebody is not telling the truth! Who's ly'n?

[NutmegYankee]

63. Just quoting the article you posted. n/t

[lonestarnot]

64. Yes and the headline of the article says?

So who's lying?

[NutmegYankee]

66. It was a minor dip.

The real issue was OPEC not increasing production and speculation gone wild.

[lonestarnot]

68. Captain Angry has been most informative over at LBN. I'll provide the link if you like

but looks like you're onto it. :P

[alfredo]

72. So a couple days ago the MSM was saying supply was high. This

doesn't make sense that now they are saying it has dropped.

[alfredo]

69. Saw it on the news.

[Doctor Cynic]

70. This is false.

Why? It's a five-letter word that starts with "C" and rhymes with "Mina".

US demand might be decreasing, but this means jack when energy markets are globalized.

[alfredo]

73. It depends on how much our use affects prices world wide.

[knitter4democracy]

48. At least rationing would be more fair.

That way, if we all had the same coupon book with ration cards or whatever, we'd all be in the same boat.

[lonestarnot]

50. Black market cheaters underground economy.

I would like to believe you.

[knitter4democracy]

51. Yes, but if you talk to people who lived through WWII, it sounds like it worked.

Everyone had the ration books with the stamps in them. They didn't like them, and there was a black market, to be sure, but most people couldn't afford the black market prices. So, the vast majority had to survive on rations and Victory Gardens (even though FDR himself admitted that they weren't entirely necessary but did them to help everyone feel a part of the war effort). It created community and a commonality that we could really use today.

[lonestarnot]

52. Agree and am for it, but with no leadership to be found, how can it be accomplished?

[bobbolink]

54. Steady there, where there's a will, there's a way.

Gotta luv them cliches.. :hi:

Really, it's all up to WE, The People.

As with everything...

It's a matter of what we want, and what we go after...

:pals:

[lonestarnot]

56. I've been willing it in the dark and getting no where. I wish I had your confidence!

:P

[bobbolink]

58. Confidence??? ME??????

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

It's just how it is... IF WE, and that is a huge IF, and an iffier WE,
would actually DEMAND that is how it's gonna go, then it would happen.

Same with health care... we'll get it when we demand it, and not a second sooner.

With "liberals" continuuing to push regressive taxes, that's how it will go.

If "liberals" would pull their heads out.... :) :) :)

Nope, I don't have much confidence that's gonna happen.. but it's because of WE, The PEOPLE.... withoutspines.org ^_^

[knitter4democracy]

55. Well, there's the rub.

Another reason I wish Gore had run. *sigh*

I honestly think that there will be some attack of some kind in the next year or so. There's just no way we can't get every single plot and every single terrorist. If that happens and we have a Dem president, I'm hoping we use that opportunity to do it right--ration cards, Victory gardens, really support the troops, cut the fat in the Defense budget (Star Wars needs to die), and get our country back on track.

If there is no attack, and I pray there isn't, it'll be a slower process but still doable.

[lonestarnot]

57. Just wondering about the toll of another 11 months on auto-pilot.

[knitter4democracy]

77. Good point.

Ugh. Bush is such a mess.

[El Pinko]

71. Demand at US pumps is not especially high, and supply is not that low...

...prices are through the roof because the dollar is being debased by the fed and because investors worldwide are speculating on commodities like CRUDE OIL now that US mortgage products have proven to be a poor investment...

[earth mom]

79. That line-"US mortgage products have proven to be a poor investment...."

That line jumped out at me because it infuriates me all over again that so many a$$holes used the housing market as some kind of get rich scheme and the ones who are really going to pay the price for it are the middle class and poor. :argh:


I was in a working class neighborhood today and there were 2 empty houses next to a house for sale. As I drove on and passed several blocks, almost every corner had realtor for sale signs! Some were alongside FSBO signs with owner financing! I was struck by how many houses were for sale in such a small area and I got a really sick feeling in my stomach.


Had to come on DU the minute I got home to see what other people are saying about the economy. :scared: