Has rubbing elbows with assholes and a fat salary induced bias in Olbermann?

[Stinky The Clown]

He seems to really have a bias these days. I won't even say for whom.

Has anyone else noticed it?

Have we lost a darling of the left to the clubbiness of the media "luminaries"?

[NMDemDist2]

1. no, you're not imagining it

Mr. K couldn't even watch him last week he was shilling so bad

:cry:

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. After bush became passe, he moved on to Hillary. After that

Olbermann became passe.

[Berry Cool]

16. He never supported Bush.

Shows how much you know.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. ? Where did I say he supported Bush? Where?

[niceypoo]

64. OMG this is so bizarre

Do you watch Olberman? He has taken the baton from Ken Starr.

[Xipe Totec]

3. If you rub elbows with assholes, all you get is stinky elbows n/t

[monmouth]

4. Not in my book, the fact he greatly dislikes Hill is understandable to me..n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

6. That's a bias

You find it acceptable, and that's okay. But by definition, it *is* still a bias.

[9119495]

15. depends on what your definition of "is" is.

[bryant69]

23. Is he a commentator or a reporter?

If he's a commentator than a bias is not only acceptable, it's desirable.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Echo In Light]

57. Those in his position have to limit their views to a rigid framework. Owners/editors decided

Not the reporters or pundits.

[sendero]

34. Is disliking Bush a bias also?

What, you think he's not supposed to make judgements within the Dem party?

That's just silly.

[peacetheonlyway]

5. Same thing with Rachel Maddow

my 2 leftie heroes are becoming worse that patrick buchanan.

but I love watching tweety twitch playing 2nd fiddle to KO..

that's the only that makes it worth it.

bottom line a little cash makes most people idiots..

[tyne]

7. I think

Keith REALLY wants a Dem president. Really bad.

[LulaMay]

27. Yup. They have become self important, especially KO. It's a shame....I've got

nothing to watch anymore except C-Span, Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares and Star-Trek re-runs. :)

PS- I was on the Air America cruise and couldn't bear to try and speak to Maddow or the AirA crew. They made their bias VERY clear from the get go, and that they didn't WANT to debate it (although they were friendly personally, just to say hello). It was okay...I realized it was a pretty stupid way to spend a vacation anyway, paying thousands of dollars take a cruise and sit in meetings while sunlit waves rolled by outside. I was glad to end up in the bar and on deck not bothering myself about it all. I just kept my faith in people, voters.....lo and behold. :)

[postulater]

45. I just turn to Animal Planet or Discovery, usually can find something.

[SIMPLYB1980]

54. Yep.

[DURHAM D]

8. He lost his way a couple of months back.

He is just trying to get his numbers up in a certain demographic. He figured out that that certain demographic is supporting Obama and so he went there full out - big lies and all.

I originally bought TIVO years ago so I would not miss him. I took him off the programing about two months. He is dead to me.

[katty]

9. doesn't he run the show around Msnbc now? that's why

tweety has been rumored to be pissed at him. Some years back in my line of work I had to discuss an agreement with KO (a legal issue on a media item) anyway, he was kind of an a-hole, I just let him go off and make his points and then it all worked out...he's a sports guy very rah-rah.

[tyne]

11. Again

Keith REALLY wants a Dem president.

[sellitman]

10. Ooooooh.... A political pundit has an opinion.

That it's just not yours is the real problem.

Lame.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. What the fuck are you talking about?

[sellitman]

44. Refresh your screen and re-read.

I'm sure it will dawn on you eventually.

[Stinky The Clown]

46. cute

[flyarm]

12. I stopped watching him after Iowa..yes he is biased..in only one candidates camp and he has been

i was complaining about it in Dec and January..he ignored Edwards..as did all of MSNBC..only after man Edwards supporters called him on it did he give a tiny bit of attention to Edwards..and KO seem to do it out of resentment..more than anything..he is a lap dog for ozbama and i refuse to watch him anymore!

this is not the democratic way..i thought journalists and reporters were supposed to be neutral..you could fool me with KO..

he doesn't even try to pretend..and he has become very sexist as well.

i have better things to do with my time.

fly

[stillcool]

13. You all crack me up!!

as if there was anything on the television screen that was 'unbiased'. How long do people have to bitch about the same old shit, before they turn the fucking thing off?

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Wow .... must be nice to live way up there, huh?

Lookin' down on the little people, and all.

[stillcool]

37. I'm living down here..

on planet earth, where the 'talk-shows' are purely entertainment. When did they become fair, balanced, or informative?

[Birthmark]

14. I think KO now believes he's important.

I don't think he's dealing with his success well. That's a shame, because he earned his success.

[Berry Cool]

20. He IS important.

And if he's such a shill, tell me why, in his latest book, he thanks the Clintons, the Edwardses, and Dennis Kucinich...and when it comes to Dems, that's it?

[Birthmark]

25. A shill?

You have confused me with someone else, or you don't know what "shill" means. I didn't call him that. Now, I might call him an arrogant, self-important, dweeb (which is why I stopped watching him months before the race took off), but I haven't called a shill.

[LulaMay]

28. Hardly. I apprecitaed his editoials to Bush, but he's no journalist.

[Freddie Stubbs]

55. Has he ever claimed to be a journalist?

:shrug:

[Gold Metal Flake]

17. I don't think so.

Reporting about dirty politics ain't an easy job.

[knitter4democracy]

18. So he has a candidate he likes, so what?

That doesn't mean that his opinions are any less liberal or that he's a worse journalist. Yeah, I wish he'd given more press to Edwards and Kucinich, but he's the only one on tv actually reporting on most of the important stories. He's not perfect, but no one would be. We could have a show with FDR himself every night, and people here would complain about something.

[Medusa]

26. Because he's supposed to be and he holds himself out to be

a journalist, remember, fair and impartial? Yeah, right, so no one actually does that but he is much worse at it than some. At least you know you're getting right-wing bias from the shills at Fox but Keith did formerly have a reputation for "truth-telling" although knowing his career history and knowing (not personally) of his huge ego, I always wondered how much was truly what he felt and how much was sheer calculation to get a bigger audience. Now he's pretty much fucked. Bush is old news. So he has to be opinionated. And what's going on right now? The Democratic race.

And even though I support Obama, I noticed he went from Clinton to Obama as Obama's star began to outshine Hill's. I predicted he'd be back spinning for Hillary tonight and I'll admit I didn't watch tonight but it sounds as if he's at least still hanging with Obama but again, I bet that is far more about attracting a certain more desirable demographic audience than anything else. I now he's some kind of hero in these parts but I've never brought his act hook line and sinker like some around here did. And now he's proving me to have been right all along about him. I guess some of you do feel pretty frustrated about that right now. Just remember-it's always, always, always about money and ego and their careers with these media types. You can't ever make the mistake of actually trusting them or believing them 100%--EVER.

[Orangepeel]

35. Does he claim to be impartial? He's never made a secret of how he feels about bush or O'reilly

:shrug:

I don't think that he subscribes to the silly position that some journalists do that all sides are equal, regardless of whether or not one side is lying. That's the nonsense that has the media giving one petroleum industry funded scientist who says humans don't contribute to global warming the same weight as all the real scientists.

[Medusa]

50. Actually he does present himself as a journalist, not an

analyst. Important distinction. I think he has an extremely high opinion of himself, based on not a lot other than quite a few years as a sports guy. I'm not saying sports journalism isn't journalism but it's not the same as being a hard news reporter. And his gaps in knowledge show on air more often than not. ZI don't think he's that knowledgable about political science in the least.

[niceypoo]

66. Which candidate does he like? He expresses no 'like' for any candidate

But, he is absolutely obsessed with hating the Clinton family, that is absolutely clear.

Lately he sounds like Rush Limbaugh back in the 90s.

[Gloria]

19. Don't even watch him anymore....he's owned now....

[Orangepeel]

29. I think Bill Clinton bringing up Jessie Jackson in SC induced bias

Keith didn't start out being against Clinton, although I think he is now. Somewhere along the way, he lost respect for her.

[rjbrooks]

30. KO has really disappointed me

KO has been my hero since his show began, however, lately he has become a free advertising outlet for Obama. I am not particularly a HRC fan but his bias is so obvious.

[mmonk]

31. Has to be. How otherwise could he resist and not see the

world as you do?

[IndianaJones]

32. his best days were on sportscenter. nt

[troubleinwinter]

33. I got sick of it, and have barely watched the last several weeks...

When I do check in, he's at it again and I turn it off.

[verges]

36. He's always been biased.

Anyone who does opinion pieces is biased. That's actually the job. He was just biased on our side. That's still biased. Now he's not. Now you notice it.

[mondo joe]

38. Keith has a bias. I have a different bias. That's okay. We don't need to agree 100%, and Keith

has always been somewhat plainspoken about his biases.

[JerseygirlCT]

68. I agree. nt

[TahitiNut]

39. You mean the "wrong" bias, don't you?

Did somebody call the waaahbulence?

[Cass]

40. I noticed it, too, and am disappointed.

I thought Keith, of all people, would have attempted to remain neutral in the primaries. It surprises me that he lets his bias be so evident.

[bleowheels]

41. I don't care. I like him. I'm thankful he is out there saying what he's saying.

Whether you think he is biased for one candidate or biased against another, we need him out there exposing O'reilly, Limbaugh, Beck and others. Remember when he first started his commentaries and it seemed like he was the only on tv saying those things. At least he doesn't back down.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. This is so damn funny to me

Keith has always been biased against Bush. Which I have no problem with, because he's right. But no one else had a problem with that here either.

Now that he dares to be biased against a candidate who he probably feels is not the best choice to lead this party in November, people want to be outraged. I didn't know that not supporting Hilary means you aren't "left" anymore.

Get over it, or own your hypocrisy.

[hisownpetard]

43. Keith rocks, and so does Rachel Maddow.

:toast: :bounce:

[enki23]

47. er.... olberman has been biasedall along.

it just seemed to be a bias you liked. unfortunately for you, a large proportion progressives/liberals don't like hillary all that much. olbermann is one of them.

[mitchtv]

48. You know it looks that way

I wish he would try to treat the Fems with an even hand. He seems to be pushing Obama. Good for him , but He doesn't need my viewership to do that. I still like worst persons.But I guess i'm not in his target Demo

[Luminous Animal]

49. Gasp! KO supports a Democrat?

Looks like we lost another liberal.

[Berry Cool]

51. I feel like calling the waaambulance for a lot of people on this thread.

Keith doesn't toe your line, so you don't like him anymore. And then you have certain people who have decided all of a sudden that he's an arrogant egotist. I suspect that's because he doesn't toe their line.

[Medusa]

53. Yeah uhm, we see your icon

Like Keith much do you? :rofl:

I don't guess you can see what we all see--that lovestruck fan thing keeps you from an unbiased view of the very biased Olbermann. :eyes: Hell, I'm pro-Obama and even I see the shilling for BO by KO.

[Serial Mom]

65. Thanks... you worded it well

I almost tried to join in this ridiculous OP, but tend to not word things correctly. But as usual, some posters read WAY MORE into somebody's opinion (including KO's) than is there.

[Hamlette]

52. yes, he is, but Abrams balances it out in the next hour

Abrams is a big Hill supporter.

[JerseygirlCT]

69. Yes. nt

[pleah]

56. K&R Yes! I have noticed and don't watch his show as often as I used to.

I am very disappointed in him.

[Echo In Light]

58. Journalists/pundits aren't allowed to espouse views on the air that the company owners disagree with

Owners and editors with strong political ties decide the acceptable framework of what is "reported" and how TV pundits can opine on it. This is a huge misconception that is a cornerstone of the "liberal" media myth: that journalists/pundits go on the air and push whatever subjective view they want. No way, no how. It's all done within a rigid, carefully managed framework that is geared toward pushing/selling the "right" thoughts in the public mind, and not offending right wing, corporatist sensibilities.

[B Calm]

59. Maybe he's trying to tell you something about your candidate..

When he endorses someone, let me know! Coming from someone as bright as Keith Olbermann, I would highly respect his opinion!

[Jennicut]

60. K.O. has never towed the line for anyone and never will

K.O. is now no longer your hero because he doesn't kiss your candidate's butt? This is the man that assailed Republicans over and over again when no one else would. This is the man who just gave a brilliant commentary about the FISA bill. ANd if K.O. was suppossed to be so extremely balanced then we would never have had an ally against the Republicons. Keith tells it like he sees it, period. And Dan Abrams is not a shill for Hillary. He slams Obama too. Has anyone even watched the show? Seen the mistakes, misstatements, blunders section? Perhaps K.O. wants a Dem president (which is biased) and does not want to see the Dem party torn apart over sheer greed for power.

[Echo In Light]

61. The man who "assailed" repubs because someone at the top realized it was necessary to allow it

I have nothing against him, just want it to be clear that with someone in his position, it's most definitely not a matter of espousing subjective preference, but following orders.

[Jennicut]

62. I doubt that K.O. would have stayed if he had been told what to say

He is the same way when it comes to sportstalk as well. My husband is a sports and football fanatic and we have heard K.O. on ESPN radio and he is pulling no punches towards Roger Clemens regarding the seroid issue. Its just who K.O. is.

[Echo In Light]

63. Again, I'm not finding fault with him, just stating a fact...

Pundits in his position are simply not allowed to go on the air and push their own subjective views.

Now, perhaps his personal view is, or coincides with, what he says on the air. That's entirely possible. But in the broader scheme, remember corporate media consolidation, and how rightists have asserted the opposite with the "liberal" media myth when in actuality, our media apparatus {airwaves supposedly owned by We The People} is no more liberal than the corporate interests who own and manage it, and what we hear/see.

With unprecedented numbers turning away from mainline media, those beholden to it are in a tailspin re what do about their loss over impacting/shaping the public mind. From there it makes sense that someone at NBC {GE, major defense contractor} would have an interest in promoting a pundit who offers viewers something ostensibly different from the usual pro-rightist, pro-war position that is common in mainline media.

[JerseygirlCT]

67. I think he's tiring of the way the campaign is run

I don't think it's personal.

But then again, I'm tiring of the way that campaign is being run, so perhaps our agreement on that colors my views.

Dan Abrams, following him, is obviously very supportive of the other campaign - so there's some balance between the two.

[Echo In Light]

70. You're right, it's not personal, it's the way they run their business