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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:13 AM
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*** INHERENT CONTEMPT UNDER CONSIDERATION!***
I got a message from Waxman in my inbox this morning. He is talking about bringing impeachment charges over the matter of "Executive Privilege" AND
(and this is where I fell off my chair). .He is bringing up the possibility of charging former White House Council Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten with

INHERENT CONTEMPT

and sending the House Sergeant at Arms to bring Miers and Bolton in.

(This means he doesn't NEED the Justice Department to bring them in. He can have them brought in himself!)

This is a change, kids.. and a pretty big one. The House power of Inherent Contempt hasn't been used since 1934
from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
Procedures
Following the refusal of a witness to produce documents or to testify, the Committee is entitled to report a resolution of contempt to its parent chamber. A Committee may also cite a person for contempt but not immediately report the resolution to the floor. In the case of subcommittees, they report the resolution of contempt to the full Committee, which then has the option of rejecting it, accepting it but not reporting it to the floor, or accepting it and reporting it to the floor of the chamber for action. On the floor of the House or the Senate, the reported resolution is considered privileged and, if the resolution of contempt is passed, the chamber has several options to enforce its mandate.


Inherent contempt
Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation.)

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its "inherent contempt" authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, in a Senate investigation of airlines and the U.S. Postmaster. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided over by the Vice-President of the United States, acting as Senate President), William P. MacCracken, a lawyer and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics who had allowed clients to rip up subpoenaed documents, was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:17 AM
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1. Rec'd! Bring on the Sergeant At Arms! This I'd love to see! nt
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:25 AM
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19. Frogmarch!
Do they have a dungeon under the Capital to hold 'em in?
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #19
65. No, not a dungeon,
but they do have a jail cell!

:bounce:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:26 AM
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130. do they have the metal toilet bolted to the wall with no privacy? That's what counts
besides an amorous roommate.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:32 AM
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27. Read again slowly!
THE VICE PRESIDENT SERVING AS THE SENATE PRESIDENT! presiding over the procedings..............
How far would this go with CHENEY at the helm????????
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:33 AM
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28. This is the House.. . . . n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. The article says
when it last happened, the VP presided. That's because it was the Senate that brought the charges.

This is the House, not the Senate. Cheney would have no role.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. I'd love to debate this
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM by laylah
with you; however, no profile does not warm fuzzies give. Welcome :hi:

edited to add this response was for rucognizant
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
98. I would love to bash you and insult your intelligence for saying that.
But you're lucky I'm not that type of guy. Have fun on DU. :hi:


Hopefully some progressive from the house will preside.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
68. I'll believe it when I see it.
Waxman and Conyers have been a continuing disappointment.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:19 PM
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77. I agree...utterly disappointing.
And Harriet Meirs will make a sympathetic victim. I think Waxman and Conyers should pick on Rove...or even Rice. But Harriet? Geez, I felt sorry for her when she was nominated for SCOTUS and withdrew.

The Dems will look like BULLIES....pick on someone your own size, Conyers!
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:02 PM
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84. I'm not holding my breath either.
When the train is stopped in the station the motorman needs to stop announcing the next stop over and over on the PA system and just move the f#!@ing train.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:24 AM
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2. Considered? Just Do It!
Enough wasting time...we all know the score here. This regime will delay, stonewall and obstruct. They're playing out the clock and it's long overdue for Waxman and Conyers to call their bluff. The only way they'll get this regime's attention and any answers is by tossing a few of these criminals into the Capitol cellar and let them sort out their "executive privilidge" there. The founders wrote it into the Constitution for a reason...and if there was ever a time to use it, it's now!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:26 AM
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4. Can someone please tell Waxman that Bolten and Miers are using STEROIDS?
That should get his attention.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
47. Lol. The sad insane truth. That's gonna be junior's great big 8 year legacy of "reform".
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:28 PM
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80. I think I may do that myself! He's my Congressman, after all!
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 05:29 PM by calimary
And I never hesitate to declare myself a loyal constituent whenever I call either his local or his DC office.

That's a GREAT one!

:toast:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:39 PM
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114. (wexler). . .n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:25 AM
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3. *** INCIPIENT BACKBONE UNDER CONSIDERATION!***
I'll believe in when I see it.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
39. You are funny as hell. Steroids.
I just hope you won't have to be 70% behind Hillary any time soon!

http://newsprism.wordpress.com">NewsprismBlog
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #39
126. You and me both. I don't think I could quite manage 70%
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:28 AM
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5. Less talk and more action.
March `em in.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
59. Collars felt, scruff of the neck, and frogmarched, bum's-rush style, to the Chamber..!
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:09 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:29 AM
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6. "bringing up the possibilty"? n /t
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Buck Turgidson Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:30 AM
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7. Well, as of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!
n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:31 AM
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8. Let's go Henry!
K & R
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #8
115. (Robert. . . . Wexler). . . . n/t
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:03 AM
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9. OK, elections are only 8 mos away-Let's do it!.Do Something! n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:04 AM
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10. what is there to consider?....DO IT
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:04 AM
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11. The clock is working against him
I heard this tactic discussed MONTHS ago.. Bush is running out the clock and he's just goling to stall and stall and stall.. and then he'll smirk, wave & poof! he's gone..
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #11
23. I've heard it discussed HERE. . I have never hear Waxman
mention it seriously before.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #23
31. I read the same thing around a month ago. That Waxman said he is considering it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
116. Jesus!. . Not YOU TOO!. . WEXLER!!1!!11!. . . .
:blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
46. Bush's term ending
would have no bearing on this.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. It shouldn;t , but it WILL..
He will sidle off into the sunset, and congress will want to :
get down to business
put it behind them
look to the future
let bygones be bygones
not want to waste tax dollars

any number of excuses..

They always do this.. goes waaaaay back..

We WILL be seeing the lower-level Bush folks again.. count on it.. Look into Iran Contra and notice all the criminals who should have done jail time..and yet.they were Bush's trusted cronies for the last 8 years..

We let them off the hook and they came back with a vengeance..like they will again..
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. *co can still be impeached and punished for war crimes after they leave
the WH. It doesn't have to be this year. We have the rest of their lives to bring them to justice if it takes that long.

I hope our side is working out a deal about extracting them from Paraguay too.
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FATCATs Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #49
96. You Right my Friend
This is EXACTLY what will occur :(
So why do we work ourselves into a frenzy discussing it ?

Because even we can dream, Cant we :)
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #49
100. you forgot...
turn the page
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
78. Your sig really got me....thx for the
chuckle...glad I wasn't :spray:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:11 PM
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86. Yep-off to Paraguay where they have an army to protect them from prosecution for their crimes...
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:12 PM by TheGoldenRule
:grr:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:06 AM
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12. YeeHaa! K&R
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:14 AM
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13. K & R
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:33 AM
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14. Oh, Henry, just get off your ass and do it!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:53 AM
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15. Well, go f#@king get them, then! What are we waiting for?
And waterboard them while you're at it, I hear it's "okay" to do this rght now.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. Excellent idea, have the
Sargent at Arms arrest them, perp walk them onto the House floor, tell them that if they refuse to talk they will be subject to an enhanced interrogation technique, i.e., water-boarding, now that Booo$h thinks its a valuable tool and legal.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:02 AM
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16. I'm getting a chubby just thinking about it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. Sadly, that's all it is, imho. "Thinking Off"
:shrug: Congress would have to become vertebrates before they develop cojones.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #25
52. We'll see. We need to demand they act.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:16 AM
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18. Big Ass Kick & R
I'm so tired of this flip-flopping
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 AM
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20. Thanks for sharing that, annabanana, but the time has come when you have to wonder
how seriously do our representatives take us. They've been sending out notices of serious action like this to us for years, letting us get fired up with hope of accountability & justice, & then they drop the matter. Perhaps the point is to evoke letters of support, but haven't we been writing & calling in on our own accord?

I'm way past the rhetoric; action is the only thing that will put some spark in me.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #20
60. That is too true. I think I deleted the same email w/o reading
Stopped reading after 1st line with conclusion of SOSDD.

Now I wish I'd read it.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:44 AM
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21. Waxman on impeachment: not til 09--09--why bother
our BEST GUY

I can't tell you how angry I am about this statement from Waxman debating Bobby Kennedy Jr. last week. They have been stringing us along since 2006. We'll get a Scooter wrist slap out of this achingly slow drag ass process and then it will be just let bygones be bygones.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. A person need not be in offfice to be impeached -- PLUS...
... if the Senate finds them guilty they are BANNED from public office at the federal level.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. exactly--but they are pretending they don't know about that
and they won't. They are counting on the ignorance of the publioc and the general apathy, and rightly so. I am completely disgusted with these peopl. Even our heroes talk out of both sides of their mouths.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:09 AM
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22. Talking means nothing. Actions mean everything.
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:36 AM
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29. I may be wrong but....
can't congress charge bush and this administration with "TREASON", even after they leave his miserable office?????
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. Yes. Yes they can.. . . . . . .n/t
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Then maybe, just maybe
Nancy and the full congress may have this in mind. Lord I hope so, because there are going to be a lot of rethug congresspersons and senators leaving office following this disasterous president!!!!!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:19 PM
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69. Everything is pardonable, except impeachment. So charging anyone in this
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 04:22 PM by wiggs
administration with a crime, before or after the term expires, will be problematic. GW will pardon a whole government full of people before leaving, in advance. And if not, at least two of the three candidates could conceivably pardon previous administration miscreants.

But, regardless, I really like the inherent contempt strategy (should have done it 6 months ago) because it may actually lead to testimony on issues. No other approach was going to yield testimony.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:04 AM
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124. No, Inherent contempt is not pardonable.
According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the inherent contempt power is uniquely characterized by not requiring the cooperation or assistance of either the executive or judicial branches:

While it is true that the President can immunize persons from criminal prosecution, it does not appear that he has authority to immunize a witness from congressional inherent contempt proceeding. . . . A finding of inherent contempt against an executive branch official does not appear to be subject to the President’s Pardon power. . . .

Although the contemnor can seek judicial review by means of a petition for a writ of habeas corpus, the scope of such review may be relatively limited, compared to the plenary review accorded by the courts in cases of conviction under the criminal contempt statute.


Statutory contempt, in contrast with inherent contempt, provides for judicial trial of the contemnor by a U. S. Attorney rather than at the bar of the Senate or House. There are two kinds of statutory contempt power: criminal and civil. The criminal procedure is available to either House of Congress, while the civil procedure is available only to the Senate.

http://www.acsblog.org/separation-of-powers-crs-explains-congresss-contempt-powers.html

Criminal contempt is pardonable but civil contempt is not. An example of civil contempt would be the case of Judith Miller, who was imprisoned until she agreed to cooperate. This point is academic, however, since as noted above, the civil contempt procedure is not available to the House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/20/AR2007072001802.html
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #124
133. Agree. My post was in response to a post about prosecuting these guys after
they leave office.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #133
134. Cool.
Didn't mean to come across picky but this a very important point in the scenario. But I don't think it matters except as an item of interest because I would be shocked if our Congress all of a sudden grew a spine. And I'm pretty sure after this year our Democratic president (if we have one) and Democratic members of Congress will end up falling all over ourselves to forget & forgive and 'Why can't we all just get along?' yada yada yada.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:54 AM
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128. But they won't.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:49 AM
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32. that would be . . . very interesting!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:57 AM
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34. Well, if he considers this long enough they'll be gone anyway. They've
been pretty damn good at dragging this shit out.

I'm not getting all wound up over this. Heard it before.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:59 AM
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35. ... and then Nancy Pelosi will march over to the White House, grab Josh by the scruff of the neck...
... Oh, that's right - Nancy Pelosi.

Never mind. :(
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:23 PM
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36. I've hadmy hopes dashed so many times by Henery and John...
I just can't allow myself any joy over this until I see them in cuffs.

-Hoot
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:27 PM
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37. Dear Henry...
...fucking DO it, already!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
117. (Robert. . . . Wexler). . . . n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:29 PM
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38. k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r k&r
:patriot: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce:

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:54 PM
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43. hee hee... Hiya Swampy!. . . . . .n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:35 PM
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41. Don't talk about it and publicize a "maybe". Do it!
No more platitudes and ifs. Let's start the ball rolling and see if we can't return to a nation of laws.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:54 PM
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42. "Talkin' ain't doin" n/t
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:00 PM
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44. K,R,& called my rep to say SUPPORT THIS! nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:15 PM
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45. had my prefs showing GD-P. just turned them off and saw THIS!!!
man, the important stuff that is drowned out by the horserace and infighting is terrifying. big K and R. best news i've seen in years.
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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:20 PM
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48. Within 48 business hours, no doubt...
:eyes:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM
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51. OMFG! If this happened, I would watch it till my eyes wore out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM by hisownpetard
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:38 PM
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53. If they don't do it now, * will pardon them before leaving office and nothing can be done then. rec
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM
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61. I don't think they can be pardoned for a contempt charge.. . . n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:39 PM
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54. Somebody wake me up when it actually happens.
I have given up on this congress, despite the efforts of a few good men and women in congress to do the right thing, the majority appear to have no interest in any such risky behavior.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:41 PM
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56. remember we were calling for that a fucking year ago? inherent contempt.
ABOUT TIME isn't it?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:52 PM
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57. My letter...
Congressman Waxman is currently considering the charge of Inherent Contempt for Harriet Meirs and Josh Bolton. I urge you to vigorously uphold the rule of law and pledge to support Representative Waxman in this measure.

We, as citizens, are charged with adhering to current laws. Why are government employees not held to the same standard?

The current mis-administration has no compunction with breaching its judicial obligations. And why should they? The Congressional oversight has uncovered many infractions, but does not impose the letter of the law in rectifying the situation.

Please support this measure and help return a semblance of Democracy back to this country.

Sincerely
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:07 PM
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58. I will volunteer my services to bring Bolton and Miers to justice
:evilgrin:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM
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62. just do it already
I have grown old waiting for the democrats to do something - ANYTHING!
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM
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63. Do It, Waxman!
I would love to see this happen.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:19 PM
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64. A great idea!
Hope it works.. can the justice dept override it?
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:43 PM
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66. I Hear The Cubs Have A Good Chance At The Pennant This Year
I'll believe this when I actually see it.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:53 PM
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67. THIS is why they've been taking so much time
Get public opinion on their side AND lay the legal foundation for such a move.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:27 PM
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70. At long last!
Great News! :kick:
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:31 PM
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71. Believe it when I see it.
*yawn*
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:32 PM
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72. Thank God! It is about time!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:33 PM
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73. Excellent, I hope he does more than just consider it ! n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:42 PM
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75. Waxman needs to get serious & set this in motion, now.
It is way past time for threats. Get it done!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:38 PM
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74. That will be a GREAT day!
K and R
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:04 PM
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76. "bringing up the possibility"!?!?! Just do it god dammit.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:23 PM
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79. Emails from Congressional Dems no longer impress me in the least.
I'll believe they are taking action ONLY when I actually SEE some action.

Talk is cheap, and keeps the masses from rioting.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:32 PM
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81. Anti-rioting e-mail.
Powerful stuff.

:)
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:49 PM
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82. WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.
Waxman was on AAR Ring of Fire Radio yesterday with Robert Kennedy Jr. Bobby just about had a conniption fit trying to convince the "mustache of justice" to do it as a civics lesson and Waxman stonewalled.

Don't get your hopes up. I don't think it will happen. As much as they soundly deserve it, and as much as the country needs it to happen, I just do not believe it will happen.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:02 PM
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83. Too late, Henry. Go back to baseball.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:11 PM
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85. talk is cheap Waxman!
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:12 PM by wildbilln864
I considered being a trillionair but decided against it, see. Freaking do it, don't talk about it! :grr: I bet he don't do shit. And by the way, Sibel Edmonds! When is he going to do anything regarding her and what she has to tell?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:36 PM
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112. WEXLER. . . . jeez. . . . n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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140. Jeez indeed! What do you mean?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:43 AM by wildbilln864
The OP says Waxman said "blah blah..."

Snip/
"I got a message from Waxman in my inbox this morning. He is talking about bringing impeachment charges over the matter of "Executive Privilege" AND
(and this is where I fell off my chair). .He is bringing up the possibility of charging former White House Council Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten with "
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:33 PM
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87. Yeah, I've heard that before.
The Waxman needs to just do it!

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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:42 PM
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88. It's about darn time...
... that the Sergeant at Arms was given something real and meaningful to do.

Do it!

Do it!

Do it!

Do it!

Do it!

Do it!

Do it!

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:43 PM
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89. WOOT n/t
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:48 PM
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90. Can you give us an excerpt of your message from Wexler? nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 PM
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105. Here's the whole thing
Dear (annabanana)

Two weeks ago, the House took a bold step demanding accountability for the Bush/Cheney Administration by holding former White House Council Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten in Contempt of Congress for blatantly ignoring congressional subpoenas for over 8 months.

Though it was not a surprise, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, wrote a letter to the House of Representatives stating that he refuses to call a Grand Jury to enforce those contempt citations.

The Attorney General's letter, effectively claiming that members of the executive branch are immune from congressional subpoenas, calls for quick action.

Click HERE to watch my latest video discussing Mukasey's outrageous response.
http://wexlerforcongress.com/multimedia.asp?ItemID=239

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Judiciary Chairman Conyers have smartly decided to pursue a civil lawsuit to force Bolton and Miers to appear before Congress. We should pursue a lawsuit – but I think we can do even more.

While a court may order – months from now –that Miers and Bolten must appear before Congress, by then George Bush and Dick Cheney will have largely accomplished their goal of running out the clock on the investigation into this Administration's politicization of the Justice Department. Even a successful outcome in federal court might only mandate that they appear, at which time the witnesses are likely simply to continue their obfuscation by claiming executive privilege of the 5th Amendment in person.

The House of Representatives must re-establish its legitimate rights as a co-equal branch of government. Congress cannot allow its power to be summarily ignored and justice delayed.

The House was correct to hold these renegade White House officials in contempt, and much credit should be given to Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Conyers for pushing for that outcome. Now, we must go further: The House must immediately consider taking the following actions:


- Initiating impeachment hearings that would likely break through the reckless claims of executive privilege made by the Bush Administration.

- Approve a resolution that calls for an inherent contempt citation which would give the House Sergeant at Arms the power to bring Miers and Bolton before Congress.

As you may know, 17 of my colleagues, including four of my fellow members of the Judiciary Committee have joined my call for impeachment hearings.

This is not an issue between Democrats and Republicans. As members of Congress, we have an absolute duty to enforce the checks and balances prescribed by our Constitution.

We have ceded too much for too long, enabling George W. Bush to assume a unitary imperial Presidency. It is long past time to secure accountability for those who have, by all appearances, committed significant breaches of our laws and trust.

Mukasey's claims are simply the latest in a long line of outlandish legal arguments ranging from the idea that we can selectively cherry-pick from torture laws to the concept that the Vice President is no longer part of the Executive Branch (except, of course, when he needs to claim Executive Privilege).

Over the past months, I have received tens of thousands of emails and letters from you expressing your great support for my efforts. Your encouragement and activism on these causes are much appreciated. I continue to work hard on your behalf and hope you feel these updates are valuable.

With kind regards,

Congressman Robert Wexler


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:17 PM
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91. Talk is cheap, Henry....
DO IT!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:20 PM
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106. (Robert. . . . Wexler). . . . n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:20 PM by annabanana
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:04 AM
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119. Your OP says Waxman.
THAT would be big news. Nice to hear from Wexler, but it's not big news.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:20 PM
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92. Inherent contempt should be pursued against Mukasey.
He should be held until the DOJ has completted work on the original Congressional Contempt Citation.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:23 PM
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93. WARNING,
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:21 PM
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108. ?. . .. . n/t
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:17 PM
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138. under consideration inherent contempt is a warning
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:24 PM
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94. The time for Consideration is passed.
Please Mr. Waxman, charge these people now. Justice demands it.

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:28 PM
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95. Put him on national TV with electrodes attached to his nuts.
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:51 PM
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97. I'm afraid to get my hopes up.
n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:46 PM
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99. I really like the sound of that: 'Inherent Contempt.'
Bring in the whole treasonous lot of them, Waxman.

Then, it's "Next stop, Gitmo."

KR100
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:50 PM
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101. Yada yada yada....more hot air and puffery from Waxman
Remember Sibel Edmonds. I think he'd rather grandstand on sports and hormones and other ridiculous tax wasting exercises about nothing. If past performance is any indication there will be nothing from this and that is a fact. He is trying in my opinion to rebuild his trashed reputation with his constituents after the sports fiasco which had no business whatsoever in congress.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:38 PM
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113. wexler wexler wexler wexlerwexler. . NOT waxman. . . good lord. . n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:02 PM
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118. well I'll be confused....why did you say you got a message from Waxman
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:11 PM by ooglymoogly
I have great respect for Wexler and none for Waxman but your post appeared to me, as to many others, clearly about Waxman.

Your post;
I got a message from Waxman in my inbox this morning. He is talking about bringing impeachment charges over the matter of "Executive Privilege" AND
(and this is where I fell off my chair). .He is bringing up the possibility of charging former White House Council Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten with

So don't good lord! me. I did not get the letter.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:53 PM
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102. I'll believe it when I see this.
too many chances this Congress has had, and yet they have not stuck up for the Constitution or us.
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tripitaka Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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103. yes i'm sure this will happen
So much more important than seating Mich and Fla, this. I'm sure voters are reassured watching the Dems conduct themselves in this manner. I'm sure this is why Dems have been caving to Bush on everything, they were just eager to get to the point where they can really go after Bush. Yeah.

Seriously, some of you guys scare me. I mean it's nice to have ideals but at some point you're in Jonestown territory.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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109. you are young here
read and learn
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:17 PM
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104. What about Bloody Red Rover?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:20 PM
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107. The Bush Junta will declare civil war and add Congress to the no-fly terrorist list
you're grounded! :rofl:
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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110. DO IT!!! n/t
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:29 PM
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111. The rethugs are ALWAYS climbing up on their soapbox and decrying we must live by the 'rule of law'..
except when their GD miserable asses are involved.
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Ztarbod Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:17 AM
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120. political harassment but fun
The reason for bring Harriet and Josh before Congress is to determine if the firing of politically appointed attorneys was politically motivated. Well duh, of course it was. Pursuing this issue is just stupid - but it is fun.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:05 AM
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131. Miss the forest for the trees much?
The political motivations behind the firing of those U.S. attorneys included blocking investigations of Jack Abramoff and Dusty Foggo, refusal to prosecute Democrats in swing states, and election theft, among other illegal activities.

Do about five minutes of research and see if you can advance past the "They serve at the pleasure of the President." meme.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:20 AM
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121. Yeah, right.
When hell freezes over.

(hope I'm wrong - but I've lost faith)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:34 AM
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122. let me guess, he was asking for money.
They're always "just about" to do something. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Missouri Blue Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:47 AM
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123. Yes, Inherent Contempt and Impeachment. Go to it Mr. Waxman!
With 10 months left of the most deplorable, awful presidency ever, it would be fitting and proper for it to end in impeachment for unconstitutional abuse of power, and lying over 900 times on the record in order to invade Iraq.

After Bush is out of office, we need to scrub the White House out with bleach.

Not to mention I'd be happy because I bet a conservative that Bush would be impeached. He said it would never, ever happen.

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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:17 AM
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125. Forgive me if I don't hold my breath
The only way those criminals will ever be brought to justice is if we storm the stinking castle.

Why are we trying to stomp on evil ants when we have a giant, evil gorilla smirking at us? Pah.
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kma3346 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:34 AM
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127. You'd think that something this important would be in the news
I just Googled "inherent contempt" in Google news and got only six hits, and none from any U.S. newspapers or TV news sources. God, you'd think something like this would be everywhere. It just reinforces how much the corporate media has a stranglehold on the news that we're allowed to know about.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:25 AM
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129. Wax on!
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:33 AM
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132. Round 'Em Up, and Proscicute Them
:kick:
Bring them to justice, because justice delayed, is justice denied.
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AnnCatherine Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:48 PM
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135. I'd like to see the original message from Waxman
Could you forward the Waxman message to
annckeirns@hotmail.com?  I'd like to see the original, please.
 I'm hoping this isn't something I'll see on snopes.com in the
near future.  I didn't find anything like this on his website.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:52 PM
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136. Send the Nancy Disaster to cuff Miers and Bolton and drag them in.
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AnnCatherine Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:56 PM
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137. before I see this on snopes.com
Could your send the message you got from Waxman in your inbox to justvegan@mac.com and annckeirns@hotmail.com? We'd like to see the original, please.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:09 PM
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139. this is what needed to be done along time ago
So waxman realizes he needs to challenge the whitehouse and the Justice Department
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