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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 AM
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Did Roger Stone have a hand in Elliot's mess?
It certainly seems like it, according to columnist Ellis Henican in today's Newsday. Keep in mind that Henican thinks Stone and his tactics are just. . .nifty!


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyhen125610573mar12,0,2250157.column

First thing in the morning, I was on the Amtrak to Albany. I wanted to see with my own eyes how a whole city gloats.

Stone said that even before I asked if his hand was somehow in Spitzer's latest trouble. I figured, somehow or another, it had to be.

"No comment on that," Stone said. "I will say I knew it was coming. That's why I wasn't too upset about the results of the special election," where a Democrat grabbed a supposedly safe Republican State Senate seat, leaving Democrats just one vote shy of control.

With a guerrilla-politics resume that goes all the way back to Richard Nixon, Stone's fingers have been in some of the most dastardly Republican schemes of the past 40 years, up to and including the Florida 2000 presidential recount. He helped rich guy Tom Golisano make high-priced mischief in the previous governor's race. He returned to Albany last year on the dime of Senate boss Joe Bruno. Desperate to keep his tiny Republican majority in the Senate, Bruno figured Stone could help. And he helped, until he had to quit when a voice that sounded awfully like his turned up making threats on the governor's father's voice mail.



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:15 AM
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1. "Everything's about to change," Stone (R-dirty trickster) said.
More occult Republicon Homelander evil black ops about to puke on America?

Again?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:21 AM
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3. Knowing how long this creep has been doing his dirty work,
and how connected he is, it will be loaded with filty lies, whatever it is. We ought to have him under 24 hour watch..
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:16 AM
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2. Didn't Stone harass Spitzer's father?
Damn.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:25 AM
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5. Yes -- he did
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:29 AM
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7. (help me rec-up this thread). . . . . n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:58 AM
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32. Sen. George Winner liked to party in the eighties
I remember seeing him at several times at after hour parties. Another repuke hypocrite.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:23 AM
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4. Interesting

http://www.politicsny.net/


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Breaking News Exclusive: Roger Stone's revenge?


PoliticsNY.Net has learned from impecable sources close to former Nixon/Reagan operative, pundit Roger Stone ... Stone & his wife Nydia became friendly with a "high priced call girl" .. Her name "Kristin" ...This relationship began at a high end club in New York City some 7-8 months ago.

Our impeccable sources continued, "Kristin" confided to Stone & his wife she was in the business. She subsequently told them that one of her clients was NYS Governor Eliot Spitzer." According to "Kristin" Spitzer engaged her at least 7-8 times over the course of the last year or more; the numbers are well over $30,000.00.

"Stone then convinced "Kristin" to go to the FBI with her story. Stone actually made the arrangements for "Kristin" to tell her story to Federal authorities."

Stone had "no comment." ###
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:25 AM
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6. If this isn't a smoking gun, I don't know what is!!
Yes Spitzer should have kept it in his pants... How did "Stone & his wife Nydia become friendly with a "high priced call girl".
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:34 AM
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8. Now keep in mind what PoliticsNY is
It is a Buffalo political gossip site. But I have found that they have been right on many many things.

This story has so many tentacles. After being in a state of mourning the past few days, I have finally become a little curious.
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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:51 AM
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11. This might give you a clue as to how Stone and wife got friendly
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:03 AM
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13. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!
From now on, whenever I hear "Roger Stone" I will think "sex scandal"

I love DU. . Sept. of '04 wasn't that long ago!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:56 PM
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39. Thanks, I knew the name sounded familiar. Sex scandal, Tang, AND fake GOP mob. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:39 AM
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9. Gee, I wonder how Stone and his wife became friends with a callgirl?
August 22, 2007
Compare And Contrast

For what it’s worth…

Click here to listen to the anonymous call placed to Bernard Spitzer’s office on Aug. 6.
Then click here to hear some excerpts of the Senate Republicans now-former consultant, Roger Stone, being interviewed on TV (it appears he’s talking to Tucker Carlson).

Also, an aside that didn’t make it into today’s DN story due to a lack of space:

Stone’s Dale Hemmerdinger defense is a new twist on a technique he has employed in at least one previous controversy.

In September 1996, the National Enquirer wrote that Stone, then a volunteer spokesman for Sen. Bob Dole, had placed ads and photos seeking sexual partners for himself and his wife, Nydia. Stone denied the allegations, saying he did not place the ads himself and allegeing had been framed by a former domestic helper who had stolen both his photographs and his checkbook.

By Elizabeth Benjamin on August 22, 2007 11:10 AM | Permalink | Comments (6)

More:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2007/08/

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:41 AM
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10. Oh My!. . . . . .n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:12 PM
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37. more interesting
Political Consultant Resigns After Allegations of Threatening Spitzer’s Father

ALBANY, Aug. 22 — The Senate majority leader, Joseph L. Bruno, forced one of his top political consultants to resign on Wednesday after allegations that he left a threatening telephone message at the office of Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s father.

The consultant, Roger J. Stone Jr., continued to insist that the recorded message — which was made public by lawyers representing the governor’s 83-year-old father, Bernard Spitzer — was not authentic. He said allies of the governor had plotted against him, though an alibi he offered in a statement on his Web site appeared to be problematic.

The episode has inflamed the already poisonous political atmosphere here, just weeks after Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo issued a report that found the Spitzer administration had misused the State Police as part of an attempt to discredit Mr. Bruno.

Mr. Bruno, a Republican, cut short questions during a news conference after vowing that the allegations against Mr. Stone would not divert attention from efforts by Senate Republicans to investigate the Spitzer administration. Democrats called for a new investigation into the phone call and chided Mr. Bruno for not apologizing.

“I don’t know what Roger Stone did,” Mr. Bruno said. “Roger no longer has a relationship with the Senate, based on the allegations.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/nyregion/23stone.html?pagewanted=print
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:00 AM
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12. K&R big #5 for, here's the lovely, Swinger couple, Roger & Nydia
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:04 AM by UTUSN
He is the Father of the "family values" concept debutted for DOLE's campaign. Then Daddy Roger was outed as advertising for swinging couples, besides that he keeps himself in physically fit condition. It has also never been proved, but he was likely involved in the entrapment of Dan RATHER, with a "Latin" woman (Nydia?) calling the source about the National Guard documents and delivering them to him (the source) in Houston.

I always crack up when our very own DUer, Nikki STONE, posts, despite her very solid, level-headed posts.


Plus, Roger was a frequent, valued guest of Tucker CARLSON's, whose own father Richard CARLSON was the leaker to Matt PUDGE about the FALSE story of Sidney BLUMENTHAL's beating his wife.

Why are the cable yakkers making the KINDERGARTEN Dem campaign as being "dirty" when the Rethugs are vicious cutthroats?!


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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:14 AM
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16. Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a republicon of wealth and taste
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:15 AM by SpiralHawk
Pleased to meet you,
hope you guess my name...

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:17 AM
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18. A gentleman's gentleman n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:48 AM
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31. And a short history of Roger & Nydia - "The insatiable couple"
How does he get to listed as "Sexual Orientation: Straight" if he is advertising, "We are hot, athletic and very fit. We are seeking similar couples or exceptional muscular, well hung, single men."



*******QUOTE*******

Google Search on "Nydia Stone": http://www.google.com/search?q=Nydia+Stone&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/4/214654/554

It's Elementary! Nydia Stone, Cuban, is Lucy Ramirez & Roger Stone is "unknown man" !

Mr. Stone is notorious for his electioneering dirty tricks for years. His first election fraud was to open a bank account with a phony name called The Young Socialist Alliance and send a campaign contribution to Pete McCloskey, an antiwar Republican in the Seventies, who was thinking of running against Nixon in 1972. As soon as the check cleared Stone then promptly called the press, claiming funding from Socialists for McCloskey!

Mr. Stone next honed his dirty tricks skills while working with Karl Rove in the Nixon White House. Need I say more? Please forgive me then, for I shall.

We also know Mr. Stone planted an Buchanan child story in the Washington Post to sink Pat Buchanan's 1992 campaign for President and then made a flyer about it, according to Mattie Lovlar, on retainer to Stone at the time who said he "worked at planting the story". Stone denied it saying: "I remember getting a call or two saying this stuff was out there. If there was a flyer, it wasn't from Roger Stone."

In 2000, Baker calls MacDougald, Stone to Miami to organize the riot that stole the election for Bush. Nydia Stone organizes the Cubans who participated. Afterwards Dick Cheney himself called Mr. Stone and asked him what he wanted for his sterling service to the gang, didn't he Roger? Stone soon had lucrative consulting contracts adding up to tens of millions of dollars from Indian gaming concerns. .... (Much more)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86847

Gannon/Rove/Stone TANG Forgeries Timeline (must-read!)
Source: daily kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/4/122247/7113
Published: Mar 4, 2005
Author: sherlock google
Post Date: 2005-03-04 15:18:38 by hfrancis
11 Comments


What follows is a timeline based on the research of different diaries here at dKOS. The timeline reveals the pattern of dirty tricks perpetrated by Karl Rove and Roger Stone, and how the TANG Forgeries fit right into their M.O. of forging documents with zingers in them and then tipping off the press to blow apart their political opponents. Some of this has been proved and some is conjecture, and it should be noted that no one has yet shown the picture above to Burkett to see if he can ID Stone. Plus someone else might have seen Stone at the Livestock Show--if it was him--because the Unknown Man supposedly asked around as to where he could find Burkett. So we need to dig in here and find out what else is out there to put into this timeline. It could lead to the truth. ....



http://www.nndb.com/people/844/000047703/

Born: 1952


Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Government
Party Affiliation: Republican

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Campaign consultant, GOP dirty trickster

Longtime political operative and no stranger to dirty tricks. Worked for Chuck Colson in 1972 at the Committee to Re-Elect the President (i.e. Nixon). Helped strategize for the Reagan presidential campaign and Arlen Specter's Senate campaign. Worked on Bob Dole and Donald Trump's unsuccessful presidential campaigns. Also appears to have been helping Al Sharpton's 2004 presidential campaign, for some reason.

In 1996, Roger and his wife Nydia purportedly placed an ad in Swing Fever magazine looking for single men and couples to join them in group sex. According to reporting in the National Enquirer and the Star, the copy proclaimed:


C-161,787-DC* INSATIABLE COUPLE
We are hot, athletic and very fit. We are seeking similar couples or exceptional muscular, well hung, single men. She's 40DD-24-36 and bi. She loves to fuck hard and deep. He's 195 lbs., trim, muscular and 8" +. She prefers jocks, miliary men, and body builders. No fat people or smokers need respond. Send photo and phone. No photo, no response! We are interested in DC, VA, MD, NYC, Miami, and LA.

VOICE MAIL 12209

**********UNQUOTE********
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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:04 AM
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14. The Forrest Gump of sleaze. nt
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:08 AM
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15. Roger Stone most certainly had a hand in this,
He apparently is connected to this "source" Kristen according to reports.

From a past article thread started by Skinner, we get a clue about Roger Stone,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x853802

And now the infamous $64K question,

Did Roger Stone blackmail Eliot Sptizer through this Kristen person? If Mr. Spitzer does indeed have different sexual tastes and Roger Stone knows this, just how much would it be worth now?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:00 PM
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40. I was roundly vilified earlier for suggesting just that
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:17 AM
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17. Who is Roger Stone, Jr.? Repuke Ratf**ker extra-ordinaire.
Who is Roger Stone, Jr.? Buckley, Nixon, Reagan, Bush operative.

"Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm...." (From http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Roger_J._Stone,_Jr)

This is another case of illegal and stealth funding. "... During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election."

Roger Stone, Jr., began his career volunteering for William F. Buckley’s 1965 mayoral campaign, and has since had roles in the presidential campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. A veteran Republican operative, Stone went to Florida to help the Bush campaign" during the 2000 recount, where he is creditied with organizing the "recount riot." Remember that gaggle of Washington D.C. Congressional aides, the posers pretending to be enraged Floridians, yeah--the guys who got their daily marching orders slipped under hotel doors in envelopes, that's the crew Stone puportedly directed via walkie-talkie from across the street.

Stone has ties to Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute and started his career in the College Republican National Committee during the Nixon era, when Blackwell "had turned it into a school for political dirty tricks. Both Stone and Blackwell have been closely connected since the 1970's with right-wing fundraiser Richard Viguerie." (http://www.abunchofgreedyrightwingliarswhoworkforwalmart.com/liars.asp?liar=5 )

Richard Viguerie, is connected to Scaife, and like Scaife, has been dubbed "the funding father of the conservative movement". See American Target below.

Stone is associated with the swiftboating of Dan Rather. Check this DU thread: rathergate.com! - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623

Mike Krempasky: "I've been using Roger Stone's email system for one of my California statewide campaigns."

And, where o' where is rathergate.com located?
Administrative Contact = Mike Krempasky: contact @rathergate.com
RatherGate
6814 Kincaid Ave
Falls Church, VA 22042

That's the address of "RedState.com - Conservative News and Community and their contact is American Target.
(Also the address used by Thomas Crowe in the list of Boy Scouts of America Troop 654 Counselors.)

American Target "is" Richard Viguerie. Viguerie is connected to Falwell via the "People of Faith 2000" National Advisory Committee. Richard Viguerie is

(http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/falwell2.htm ) "considered the godfather of many conservative and religious right causes, going back to the early 1970s when he began a direct mail operation on behalf of political candidates and groups. He is head of American Target Advertising in Washington, D.C. Viguerie is considered the architect of the alliance between political conservatives and evangelical-fundamentalist Christians; he helped form groups like the American Life Lobby which began training conservative Christians and integrating them into the ranks of the GOP. He also has had contacts within the beltway for nearly three decades, and when not raising money for candidates like Jesse Helms, Viguerie has used his direct mail organization to assist more shadowy groups like the World Anti-Communist League -- described by sociologist and researcher Sarah Diamond as "a multinational network of Nazi war criminals, Latin American death squad leaders, North American racists and anti-Semites, and fascist politicians from every continent..."

Viguerie has also maintained close ties with Rev. Moon's Unification Church cult, which even rescued him from bankruptcy in the 1980s."
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:18 AM
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19. Roger Stone and the Jack Abramoff mould. Making $$millions$$ gaming gaming.
A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett - April 19th, 2004 - http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0416,barrett,52802,1.html

Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry. Stone's booming business in such a federally regulated enterprise makes his recent pro bono orchestration of Al Sharpton's double-edged presidential campaign an even stranger covert caper.

The longtime GOP consultant's reward for fomenting the "Brooks Brothers mob" that shut down the Miami-Dade recount in 2000 was an invitation within days of Bush's election to serve on the Department of Interior transition working group—helping, in his own words, to staff its Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Stone has since used this unannounced perch to market himself to tribes and developers from Louisiana to California, earning fat fees and contingent percentages of future casino revenue. Just two of the five deals examined by the Voice are projected to pay him at least $8 million, and perhaps as much as $13 million.

Time, The Washington Post and The New York Times have published exposés about Bush's BIA, with a February story highlighting $45 million in payments to two GOP lobbyists from four tribes since 2001. But no one has focused on Stone's profiteering, which, unlike the payments to registered lobbyists, is not reported on any public filings. ..............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:22 AM
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20. Roger Stone, Iran-Contra, NCPAC, Blackwell, Buchanan, Rove, Sex & Trump's Money ...
What role did Stone play in financing the Contras?

Founding Fakers by Franklin Foer
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030818&s=foer081803

... the Reagan administration, by all accounts, engineered the political leadership of the Contras, falling in love with a series of counterrevolutionaries ... One such leader was Adolfo Calero, who became Washington's Contra of choice in the mid-'80s. After graduating from Notre Dame, Calero had gone on to run Managua's Coca-Cola bottling plant ... and helped launch the Authentic Conservative Party ... when the Sadinisitas seized power ... a life of exile in Miami ... made him an easy sell to American conservatives, a pitch enhanced by Calero's alliance with Republican consultant Roger Stone, from UNITA's lobbying firm. In direct-mail solicitations, Stone compared Calero to Washington at Valley Forge. ...

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starroute Sep-23-04 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623#2404602

"Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, ... Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of Richard Viguerie."

I posted that .... My general conclusion was that Viguerie is closely linked to the Young Republic/dirty tricks/Karl Rove wing of the New Right. Scaife is much closer to the southern/racist/anti-Clinton wing -- both Harry MacDougald and many of the SwiftBoat figures have Scaife connections.

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Morton C. Blackwell, founder and chairman, Conservative Leadership PAC, has served (circa 2000) as Treasurer of the Free Congress Foundation.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Morton_C._Blackwell

Blackwell is "Executive director, Council for National Policy; founder and president, the Morton Blackwell Leadership Institute, a foundation which trains young people for youth leadership; founder and chairman, Conservative Leadership PAC; Republican National Committeeman from Virginia; treasurer, Reagan Mumni Association; youngest delegate to Barry Goldwater RNC in 1964; alternative delegate for Reagan in 1968 and 1976 and a delegate in 1980; former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan on the White House staff; ...

"With Paul M. Weyrich and Richard Viguerie, Blackwell met with Jerry Falwell to found the Moral Majority. 'Finally, on the verge of realizing his right-wing utopia, Weyrich harvested what his friend Morton Blackwell termed the greatest track of virgin timber on the political landscape: evangelicals. Out there is what you might call a moral majority, he told Jerry Falwell in Lynchburg, Pennsylvania, in 1979. That's it, Falwell exclaimed. That's the name of the organization.' .....

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AnIndependentTexan Sep-22-04 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=884949

The term 'New Right' was coined by Kevin Phillips in 1975 and refers to the amalgam of organisations and institutes spawned by Richard A. Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips and John Terry Dolan with heavy funding from such financial magnates as Joseph Coors, Nelson Bunker Hunt and Richard Mellon Scaife. ... In 1973 Coors, with the help and advice of Paul Weyrich ... founded the Heritage Foundation. .....

Blackwell ... trained a teen-aged Karl Rove as a field organizer ...
Rove Consults With Blackwell on Political Strategy. At the 2000 convention, Bush strategist Karl Rove consulted with Morton Blackwell of Virginia, who supported a plan that emphasized primaries in small states when the Republican Party selects its presidential nominee.

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The Sex Scandal That Put Bush in the White House
How GOP operative Roger Stone destroyed the Reform Party in the 2000 presidential campaign
Wayne Barrett, special reporting Jessie Singer - May 18th, 2004 - http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,barrett,53586,6.html

Pat Buchanan ... seized control of ... the Reform Party ... became the party's presidential nominee ... (and) mysteriously disappeared, getting 2.4 million votes less than Ralph Nader, 80,000 less in Florida alone. ... Stone and Buchanan were aides to Nixon and Reagan, and Stone, also a Bush I campaign veteran, was rewarded for his subterranean 2000 efforts with an appointment to the Department of Interior transition team, which he parlayed into a multimillion dollar business as an Indian gaming consultant ....Buchanan's vanishing act—after Stone cajoled him to run Reform—left nearly a dozen party leaders contacted by the Voice convinced that he and Stone were conscious agents of doom. ...

... "Buchanan hospitality suite" at the Dearborn, Michigan, convention hotel—with soda and hamburgers and occasional champagne—" was paid for by Roger, who, in turn, said he was covering it with Trump's money." .....

Stone(s) ... sacking of the Reform Party may be his lasting legacy.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:07 AM
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34. Wow - totally ugly republicon occult evil-doing
Why do republicons hate morality, goodness, and America?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:23 AM
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21. Roger Stone - "slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer"
A Prayer for Reverend Al
Let Him Buy His Soul Back from the Republicans
by Doug Ireland - February 21, 2004 - http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Ireland0221.htm


Who is Roger Stone? A slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer and consultant whose mentor was the repulsive Roy Cohn — the redbaiting hatchet man for Senator Joe McCarthy. Stone first made news in the Nixon Watergate scandal, when it was revealed that the 19-year-old apprentice McCarthyite had infiltrated George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign as part of CREEP’s sabotage plan. ... Stone helped Ollie North raise money for the Nicaraguan contras, and was a close associate of the notorious Lee Atwater ...

... Jeffrey Toobin ... the 2000 Florida election — details how Stone was summoned by Bush recount chief James Baker to disrupt the vote counting (Stone and his Cuban wife, Nydia, organized a screaming mob of Miami Cubans outside the headquarters of the canvassing board — Stone directed the mob by walkie-talkie from across the street — and intimidated the board into ending the count).....

When Sharpton launched a vicious attack on Howard Dean for his supposed “anti-black agenda,” the man behind the curtain was Stone, who crowed to The New York Times that he “helped set the tone and direction” of the blast at Dean, while the research for it was provided by the man Stone had installed as Sharpton’s campaign manager, Charles Halloran, one of a half-dozen top aides to Sharpton who worked for Stone in previous campaigns....

Stone has acknowledged that he “helped Sharpton” meet the 20-state, $5,000-contribution threshold required for federal matching funds. Example, according to The Voice: “In Florida, Stone’s wife, Nydia; son Scott; daughter-in-law Laurie; mother-in-law Olga Bertran; Stone’s executive assistant Dianne Thorne; Tim Suereth, who lives with Thorne; and Halloran’s mother, all pushed Sharpton comfortably over the threshold, donating $250 apiece .........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:32 AM
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22. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Jack Abramoff, Gaming Gaming and Scalping the Tribes.
How is it that two consumate Republican insiders, both purported specialists in illegal
funding of campaigns, one a political dirty trickster who stays behind the scenes and
the other a felonious convict linked to the White House political office, each manage
to garner tens of millions of dollars from Indian tribes in the gaming rackets? By
working both sides at once, of course. And, how is it that one gets convicted and goes
to jail while the other keeps getting paid? Who is scalping whom for how much, who has
lost their scalp, who still has theirs, and will Donald Trump's hair survive the scandals?

With all the attention to Abramoff defrauding the Tribes, why isn't there more attention on
who else is involved in all of gaming's political machinations and influence peddling?

Who has lucrative contracts to receive a percentage of the gross from Indian casinos, and
how did they obtain it? Where is all that money going? How much ends up in the coffers of
politicos like Sen. John McCain, and why? Who else is scalping the Tribes?

And how much of the scalping goes to legal and illegal campaign contributions?

Questions yet to be answered.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 AM
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23. GOP dirty trickster/operative admits hatchet job on BIA's Wayne Smith + $$$$$$$
$$$$$ "contract to pay Stone a $250,000 retainer plus 7.5 percent of annual gaming revenue from the proposed casino" $$$$$

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GOP operative admits hatchet job on Wayne Smith
Thursday, April 22, 2004
http://www.indianz.com/News/2004/001456.asp?print=1

A Republican operative who helped Neal McCaleb and Aurene Martin get their jobs at the Bureau of Indian Affairs admits to orchestrating the campaign to fire former BIA deputy Wayne Smith.

Smith was ousted after letters from Phil Bersinger, a former business partner, surfaced in the spring of 2002. In the letters, Bersinger touted his close connections to Smith, who handled land-into-trust, federal recognition and gaming issues for the BIA.

At the time, Smith was trying to resolve a leadership dispute within a small California tribe. Republican operative Roger Stone worked with one faction of the Buena Vista Rancheria that wants a casino. According to The Village Voice, this faction has a contract to pay Stone a $250,000 retainer plus 7.5 percent of annual gaming revenue from the proposed casino. (emphasis added)

When Smith refused to overturn a decision favoring Stone's clients, Stone told The Voice that he "faxed the letters to certain members" of the press, leading to stories in Time Magazine and other outlets. The stories suggested Smith was using his position to help Bersinger hire tribal clients.

Neal McCaleb eventually got rid of Smith ....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:36 AM
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24. "the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections"
A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett - April 19, 2004 - http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0416,barrett,52802,1.html


Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry.

... Stone also has lucrative stakes in casinos connected to two other California tribes—Enterprise Rancheria, which has a BIA application and a congressional corrections bill currently under consideration, and the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians, which won BIA approval in October for a San Francisco Bay casino opposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein.

The Buena Vista agreement calls for a $25 million payment to the tribal leader who retained Stone and permits the construction of two casinos, at least one of which would pay Stone his percent off the top. Documents obtained by the Voice also list the value of Stone's interest in the Enterprise project—40 miles north of Sacramento—as between $4.2 million and $6.3 million over five years.

Sam Katz, the general partner in the Lytton deal, refuses to reveal what Stone's holdings are worth, saying only that Stone "will get a portion of the proceeds" when the already negotiated sale to another gaming company is completed. Tony Cohen, the tribe's attorney, said Katz's group would be paid "tens of millions of dollars," and Stone has told business associates that he will earn $4 million to $7 million, a figure he would not confirm to the Voice.

In addition to these three stakeholder positions, a Stone prospectus, circulated last summer in California for casino investors, listed four other tribes that supposedly had agreements with Stone. The 157-page prospectus names Stone as one of three "participants" in Ikon LLC, a Mississippi company ....
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:37 AM
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25. There it is, Coyote. . . All this info is maybe the reason for the BIG HURRY
to get Spitzer to step down.. before anyone has a chance to find their feet.

The Shock Doctrine in action.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:46 PM
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38. There is definitely a story here....
...with Roger Stone. Thanks for posting this and piquing the curiosity.

I like your Shock Doctrine analysis, too.

Now that the resignation is a done deal -- will any of this even get a look?

Maybe, maybe not.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:41 AM
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27. Inside Bush's BIA - A labyrinth manufacturing millions $$$ - Trump, Rove, Norton, Barbour, Brulte
Inside Bush's Indian Bureau - A labyrinth of lobbyists is manufacturing millions
Wayne Barrett, special reporting Jennifer Suh - April 27th, 2004 - http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0417,barrett,53013,1.html


... Wayne Smith ... the '90s, he'd been chief deputy to California's Republican attorney general ... at 52, he was assistant deputy secretary at Interior, managing the $3.5 billion budget of the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) and overseeing the hotly politicized Indian casino industry ...

... in his new job—which he got on the recommendation of a colleague from his AG days, Sue Wooldridge, top aide to Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton. Neal McCaleb, who was Smith's immediate boss and ran BIA, put him in charge of gaming ... BIA remained a bureaucratic land where the only chiefs are buttoned-down lobbyists, raking in millions from tribes whose casinos are virtually franchises to print influence-peddling largesse.

Smith was troubled early ... his office was lobbied on behalf of two tribes by Diane Allbaugh, the wife of Joe Allbaugh, head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the 2000 national campaign manager for Bush. Diane Allbaugh, who worked at a firm headed by former Republican National Committee chair Haley Barbour, appeared on behalf of a Louisiana casino developer under contract with the Jena Band of Choctaw Indians and the Paucatuck Eastern Pequots, a Connecticut tribe then tied to Donald Trump. McCaleb urged Smith to take her calls, explaining that he and Joe Allbaugh were old Oklahoma friends and that Allbaugh had "helped convince the White House" to install him at BIA.

... lobbyist who concerned Smith more than any other ... he'd been on the transition working group for Interior, staffing the agency. The dark force of Indian gaming, retained as a hidden consultant by tribes and developers across the country, was Roger Stone, a veteran of eight Republican presidential campaigns and star of the Miami/Dade recount shutdown. Scott Reed is often his up-front lobbyist face.

... Reed began leaning on Smith in late January 2002. Smith even got a note supporting the Stone faction from the Republican leader of the California state senate, Jim Brulte. Stone had recommended the retention of a consulting firm owned by Brulte's former chief of staff, Tom Ross, and Ross wrote the memo summarizing the Buena Vista case that Brulte enclosed. Later in 2002, Stone would host a fundraiser for Brulte at his 40 Central Park South apartment and take Brulte to visit Stone's longtime client Donald Trump. The Brulte intervention sent a particularly strong message to Smith because he'd attended a 2001 Palm Springs meeting involving Karl Rove and a dozen tribes, where Brulte was introduced as "the administration's main man in California—especially for Indian matters." ...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:59 AM
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33. Stone's a former partner of Charlie Black
That's Charlie Black of BKSH, who's McCain's lobbyist/adviser and whose boss is Mark Penn.

Black and Stone were involved in College Republican dirty politics together in the early 70's, when they got into a nasty election contest against Karl Rove. In the 80's, they and another crony from that period, Paul Manafort, formed a PR firm together and hooked up with George H.W. Bush. The late Lee Atwater worked with them during that period.

The three went their separate ways in the late 90's but continue to maintain the legacy of 1972.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:37 AM
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26. Spitzer called the whores, Spitzer paid the whores, Spitzer laid the whores.
Spitzer was behind the Spitzer mess. He got caught, he must go. The Dems in my state should take the lead in ousting him, IMO. They should beat the Rep. to the impeachment papers if he does not quit today.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:43 AM
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28. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:44 AM by L. Coyote
There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events... (emphasis mine)

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:59 AM
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29. (sweet jesus he's a stinker!). . . . n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:59 AM by annabanana
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:14 AM
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30. Saving the best for last, as usual.
So, imagine all the major felonies I haven't mentioned yet! :rofl:
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:00 PM
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35. Strange that this rod stone
would even know about this. This rod stone is clearly a traitor. I think he is a scumbag from the tricky dick era. Also I think that he was involved with Al Sharpton in 2004.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:02 PM
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36. Of course but Spitzer helped them
Dems better take control of New York - looks like Rethugs are planning another election theft.

Not this time!
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