MTV Warns Of Coming Police State WTF!!! Holocaust references

[Twist_U_Up]

Watch these 30 sec videos WTF!!!
2 MTV videos blatantly warns its viewers to wake up and start thinking about the way our society is heading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTOuq4pY10o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oKqQmGYHQ

[tekisui]

1. Jeezus.

That is fucking creepy. I see a fascist shift, I guess that is a way to shake people up to what is happening.

But, jeezus.

[graywarrior]

2. Yikes!

[Twist_U_Up]

3. History repeating ?

[graywarrior]

4. To whom are they sending the message to?

20 somethings, obviously.

[NightWatcher]

6. is that a 'fear your master' or 'prepare to rise up and fight' commercial?

[beastbitten]

29. "...to engage U.S. teens with an episode in world history

that is in danger of being forgotten."

From the press release at:
http://www.mtv.com/thinkmtv/about/press_releases.jhtml

Director/photographer Michael Franzini worked with the group at Arnold for six months to craft the most compelling message to engage U.S. teens with an episode in world history that is in danger of being forgotten.

“My generation, Gen X, barely knew what the word Holocaust meant,” said Franzini, referring to a 1993 study by the Roper Organization which found that 53% of U.S. high school students could not say what the Holocaust was. “We were horrified to find that teenagers today know even less.”

Franzini sent out video crews in four cities last year, approaching teenagers on city streets, asking them what the Holocaust was. Responses included speculation that the Holocaust took place in Iraq and that Hitler was a Jew fighting against the Nazis. Almost 2/3 of those questioned had little or no idea what the Holocaust was. <...>

“We all recall black and white images of the holocaust in our minds. But the Holocaust happened to real people, in full color,” said Roger Baldacci, EVP, Creative Director of Arnold Worldwide. “We hope to make these ads relatable to young people by illustrating what some of the events of the Holocaust would look like in the context of today’s world.”

“To prevent the humanitarian crises of tomorrow, we must never forget the tragedies of the past,” said Ian Rowe, VP of Strategic Partnerships and Public Affairs, MTV. “These striking PSAs from Michael Franzini and Arnold Worldwide serve to reawaken our audience to this dark chapter of human history – and inspire them to help fight against the atrocities being committed in the world today.”

[CRF450]

32. Thats just fuckin sad, teens these days...

Are too worried about keeping in touch with their homies on myspace, rather than learn about whats going on in the real world.

[mandyky]

89. Not just teens

People who watch MTV "quite regularly" (instead of other "educational TV") tend to gravitate to myspace. I still have a resentment and refuse to watch American Idol because4 more Americans watch and vote there than vote in elections. And these are not all teens. Actually I read somewhere recently that young adults (late teens and early 20s) are more involved in politics.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

38. Black and white images aren't everything, but they're a start.

[Echo In Light]

40. Some foolishly believe humans were somehow "different" not so long ago

And are now far beyond the capacity for carrying out, enabling, and accepting such atrocities in the modern world.

Good luck with that...

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. and those photos are always haunting

[WCGreen]

5. I find it just a little ironic that MTV, one of the main Dumbing down institutions

in this culture, should try to send a message to think...

Yea, I guess that will make them think about it for a minute...

Until the next edition of Real Life or what ever it is they call that inane show is aired...

[LostinVA]

8. Actually, Real Life isn't an inane show

It brings up a lot of important issues in society.

And, MTV has always had some political messages, from Rock the Vote to the documentary they made on Soulforce.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

19. He might be referring to The Real World show.

Which does indeed suck.

[WCGreen]

21. She how out of it I am....

I have to be rescued from my MTV references...

[graywarrior]

11. With the constant re-runs of Amore and other un-real reality crap

[Recursion]

17. MTV gets a bad rap

They got hoi polloi much more involved with the music industry's A&R than had ever happened before. Now, obviously popular music is not in my top 10 list of important issues in this country, but then again they are Music TeleVision so I don't expect too much else.

As an Xer, I definitely see MTV as one of the dividing lines between me and people older than me, and I think it reflects how we do politics.

[WCGreen]

23. I use to respect MTV...

I believe they jumped the shark when they were sold to CBS and started in with the reality shows...

I remember waiting for Sunday nights to watch 120 min...

My point is, if you just flash those messages within the pimple cream and fashion commercials, how will that make an impact...

To me, there doesn't seem to be any there there...

In fact, there ain't too much there there anywhere on the cable anymore...

Especially when you consider that the National Geographic Channel is owned by Fox...

[progressoid]

48. Agreed. Half of them probably think it's an advertisement for a reality show.

And the other half don't know what the holocaust is.

[WCGreen]

50. Or a louis vitan (I ain't gonna bother to lookup the correct spellinng) ad...

[progressoid]

57. ...

[Eric Condon]

79. I was kinda thinking the same thing.

I guess they were running these ads during My Super Sweet Sixteen.

p.s. MTV = owned by Viacom. It's not exactly some underground DIY organization only working with the public good in mind.

[Birthmark]

7. Outstanding

Yeah, it IS creepy. So is what's happening in the US. If someone in 1980 had told me that in 2008 a sizable portion of America would support torture, I'd have called them a lunatic.

[Rambis]

9. They have done an excellent job

of scaring the shite out of americans. Once you have people scared you can do just about anything if you tell people it is to keep you safe. Torture to keep you safe,go to war to keep you safe, search anyone for anything at anytime to keep you safe etc etc Scared people allow liberties with just about anything. bastards!

[Birthmark]

14. I'm just amazed how easily frightened people are.

I wonder if they are frightened for themselves or for others. If it's the latter (as I suspect) then those playing on that fear are especially cynical and evil, imv.

[malaise]

26. Do you remember the threats to libraries

Those were real.

[nashville_brook]

10. makes me wonder, what MTV-experience inspired these...

i bet that this media giant has had at least one "run-in" with Homeland Security, either thru events programming or broadcast censorship/manipulation.

these videos have an exact message -- to wake up to the real-ness of a fascist US. to let go of the illusion that fascism is something that happens elsewhere, at a different time.

to me, this indicates that "the producer" (either MTV or the org that sponsored the production/distribution) is reacting to something specific, personal and "real." this doesn't seem to be a Public Service Announcement created in a vacuum.

[NashVegas]

61. Janet Jackson's Boob

Viacom and the FCC were still duking it out in court, last I heard.

[margotb822]

12. Apparently reality isn't getting through to people

Better scare them into doing something...

[baby_mouse]

15. Familiar, isn't it? NT

[pleah]

13. It's about time for SOMEBODY to make a REAL statement on what is happening!

Maybe it will be the young people who will actually get off their asses and lead the fight against these fascist dictators that have control of our country. We are not far away from this actually happening.

[Bozita]

16. Very effective. Scared the shit outta me.

[Arctic Dave]

18. HOLEEE SHHHHHIT, that was AWSOME!!!!.

It looks like one of the MTV producers must have finally been roughed up by the fascist and is now beginning to see the real picture.It is about F'in time we started seeing commercials with some truth to it.

[ceile]

20. Read about the video.

"With the pending North American Union, the push to embrace hispanics, and the new word from the top to change advertising to accomidate indoctrination, do you think the vehicle that has spent over 2 decades brainwashing kids, the same people that brought us ganster rap, is interested in warning us?"
"But.........its up to us people, just us. Lets take advantage of the Ron Paul meetups to springboard our Revolution for LIberty."

I think the person who posted this may have a bit of an "angle".

on edit: I'm talking about the youtube poster, the DUer.

[lovuian]

44. The EU and the NAU are just steps closer to NWO

Its happening as we speak

[TheWatcher]

51. You are indeed correct sir.

But most would rather bathe themselves in fake political theater, cheer for the sports team, mesmerize to American Idol, or simply feel good and ignore it all.

The Hard Rain is coming.

But it is sad to say, most will not even realize they are wet.

[Twist_U_Up]

53. The only "angel" I have is, 7 years of watching this administration.....

subvert the American people at every turn.

[davidthegnome]

22. I think it largely depends

on who wins the next election. I don't mean between Clinton and Obama - I mean between our nominee (whenever we have one) and McCain. This so called war on terror has inspired wonderful things, hasn't it? Like the Patriot Act, the National ID Act, (which I'm proud to say, Maine shot down) telecom companies spying on citizens without needing well... ANY reason. The torture of innocent prisoners and prisoners of war, (with perhaps a sprinkling of actual criminals thrown in) and much, much more.

Then again, considering how well our "victory" in 2006 has served us... perhaps the next President won't make much of a difference at all. It's disturbing to me that both our candidates voted in favor of the Patriot Act, and the funding for the war in Iraq.

[Echo In Light]

37. Every govt's primary enemy is its own populace

The phony "war on terror" is a very real war OF terror. Anyone opposed is a suspect.

[Joanne98]

24. WOW!

[malaise]

25. Thanks MTV

Tell the children the truth.

[Poll_Blind]

27. Wow. n/t

PB

[galledgoblin]

28. I mapped out the armories in NY months ago (n/t)

[UncleSepp]

30. I don't know if that's a warning.

I read it as rehumanizing the victims of the Holocaust, as people like us (as it says) and not as some kind of other species of person. In a time of othering, bigotry, division, not to mention increasing Holocaust denial and anti-Jewish sentiment across the political spectrum, it's an important lesson to remember on its own. Of course, that by its nature carries a message of warning, but I don't read warning as its primary purpose.

On edit: After reading the producer's notes, I'm sure it's not a warning. I think people are reading into it what they would like to see - but that's a good thing, that's what good art is for.

[Echo In Light]

36. Both setting are normal, average daily round of life scenarios that are suddenly...

Violated with sadist goons herding people with guns. Why would anyone carefully construct such suggestive images during a time when our gov't has implemented numerous police state tactics and not intend to sound a heads up warning? Doesn't logically follow.

[UncleSepp]

66. Doesn't logically follow?

Normal, average, daily round of life scenarios that are suddently violated with sadist goons herding people with guns. That's how the Holocaust happened.

Why would anyone carefully construct such suggestive images during a time when our gov't has implemented numerous police state tactics
To put ordinary modern people into the shoes of the people who experienced the Holocaust.

Does it logically follow that this wouldn't be a heads-up warning? No, not if you start from the wrong place! I don't want to be rude, but I can't imagine a nice way of saying that you've got the cart before the horse here. The director, Franzini, didn't start from current police state tactics and adopt imagery of the Holocaust along the way. He started with a study showing increasing ignorance among American teenagers about the Holocaust and worked into modern imagery as a teaching tool. If you don't believe me, believe the press release:

“My generation, Gen X, barely knew what the word Holocaust meant,” said Franzini, referring to a 1993 study by the Roper Organization which found that 53% of U.S. high school students could not say what the Holocaust was. “We were horrified to find that teenagers today know even less.”
Franzini sent out video crews in four cities last year, approaching teenagers on city streets, asking them what the Holocaust was. Responses included speculation that the Holocaust took place in Iraq and that Hitler was a Jew fighting against the Nazis. Almost 2/3 of those questioned had little or no idea what the Holocaust was. The interviews can be viewed at http://michaelfranzini.com/holocaust/interviews.mov

“We all recall black and white images of the holocaust in our minds. But the Holocaust happened to real people, in full color,” said Roger Baldacci, EVP, Creative Director of Arnold Worldwide. “We hope to make these ads relatable to young people by illustrating what some of the events of the Holocaust would look like in the context of today’s world.”

That the spots are airing on MTV further supports the director's explanation of his motivations for his own work. Positioning the spots on MTV better targets the GenXers and younger people identified in the Roper study and in Franzini's interview as having a lack of knowledge about the Holocaust.

Is there a warning? Of course - in the sense that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. From the press release again:

“To prevent the humanitarian crises of tomorrow, we must never forget the tragedies of the past,” said Ian Rowe, VP of Strategic Partnerships and Public Affairs, MTV. “These striking PSAs from Michael Franzini and Arnold Worldwide serve to reawaken our audience to this dark chapter of human history – and inspire them to help fight against the atrocities being committed in the world today.”

The warning could as easily be about Darfur or any number of other places as about the United States. Any study of the past carries with it warnings about the present - that's why we study history. Yes, the spots carry a warning, but that wasn't why the spots were made.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. Wow! Is this currently being shown on MTV?

[Echo In Light]

35. That would be interesting to find out. Indeed!...wonder if someone with inside scoop got nervous....

Enough to endorse/green light putting these together? ... cause face it, this isn't, say, complaining about "free speech zones," this warning of shaved headed sadists hauling people away to camps.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

39. My son and his girlfriend have been going to new world order sites and they

are freaking out about the posibility of our becoming a total police state. Personally, I don't blame them. We are becoming a surveillance society and people are being harassed all the time by out of control cops. There are those FEMA detention camps just waiting. People don't realize that Ollie North worked for FEMA, which was created as a two-sided coin. One part for black ops and the other side to appear to be of assistance. The latter is the cover.

[Echo In Light]

42. It came out accidentally during congressional hearings of Iran/Contra - REX84

Some of the same fascists working back then to subvert the constitution over a national terrorist attack {ahem!!!} as now. Gee...do ya SUPPOSE...?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. Yep, REX84 was created by Reagan(Papa Bush) and his felon-fascists are definitely alive and well and

work for Shrub to continue the their subversion..and they are unfortunately doing one helluva job...


BTW.. I think you might enjoy this. Do you remember when Adm. John Poindexter was hired by Shrub to head up DARPA? There was a daily press briefing from Ari Fleisher and the most wonderful/awesome Helen Thomas had the following exchange with him.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=61634

That's a summary of the President's day. Helen.

Q: Ari, why would this administration choose a man for couterterrorism who is so associated with the dark side of the Iran Contra scandal, Admiral Poindexter?

MR. FLEISCHER: When you say, choose him for counterterrorism, can you be more specific?

Q: He's in the Pentagon, he's been appointed head of DARPA, which is a counterterrorist office, developing plans, demonstrations with information.

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not aware of any appointment.

Q: Yet.

MR. FLEISCHER: Let me just say about Admiral Poindexter, Admiral Poindexter is somebody who this administration thinks is an outstanding American and an outstanding citizen who has done a very good job in what he has done for our country, serving in the military.

Q: How can you say that, when he told Colonel North to lie?

MR. FLEISCHER: Helen, I think your views on Iran Contra are well-known, but the President does believe that Admiral Poindexter served --

Q: It isn't my view, this is the prosecutor for the United States.

MR. FLEISCHER: I understand. The President thinks that Admiral Poindexter has served our nation very well.

Q: Really?

MR. FLEISCHER: That's the President's thoughts.

Q: Do you know his record?

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm sure you will inform me.

Q: I don't have to, all you have to do is look it up.

[Echo In Light]

58. Good link: What we chose to ignore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c&feature=related

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

60. And so few know. Chilling and must be passed on. BTW

have you seen the tv show Jericho?

[lovuian]

33. I'll tell you what I won't go quietly

that was the mistake passively obeying them

[closeupready]

59. Amen to that.

n/t

[lovuian]

34. I'll tell you what I won't go quietly

that was the mistake passively obeying them

[Strelnikov_]

41. Man, get home from school, light up a spliff with the bros, flip on the tube

and see that.

What a buzzkill.

[Rex]

43. Why now?

[Quantess]

46. Maybe because of the Presidential Election this year?

Better late than never.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

47. hey its already happening

Gov siegelman being dragged out of court in leg irons, shuffled from prison to prison in solitary confinement, without access to a lawyer, and no written record of the court proceedings, on a trumped up bs charge to begin with.

[rockymountaindem]

49. Wow. Good for them.

Those are kind of unsettling. Hopefully people won't just tune them out.

[earth mom]

52. OMFG!

:scared:

[judasdisney]

54. YouTube took these down 1 week ago at Viacom's request

You may want to watch them quickly.

P.S. Where are all the Conspiracy-Hater, Coincidence-Theorists who used to tell us this type of opinion is "overblown" or "fearmongering"? Stupid assclowns like them are the direct reason we're in this mess.

[Twist_U_Up]

55. "Where are all the Conspiracy-Hater, Coincidence-Theorists "

Just go to the 911 forum,they dont usually stray too far from there.
Just sayin

[closeupready]

56. It's interesting that they are putting these on the air just now.

the diminishment of our civil rights has been going on for a LONG time.

[sarcasmo]

62. I have been calling Martial Law for a couple years now and please don't let it be MTV that breaks

the news, LOL.

[sarcasmo]

63. Just trying to kick this to the top, so the insomniacs can view it before you tube takes it off.

[sarcasmo]

64. Looking at this in a different angle, could this be a Christian thing instead of Martial Law thing?

[Lex Talionis]

69. Does it matter? Will you fight? Or roll over?

Best get your head out of your ass, if you think the Biblethumpers are gonna come get you.

[sarcasmo]

84. Look here, I have been saying Bush is pushing Martial Law since logging in as a poster here on D/U.

In 2004.

[Echo In Light]

85. Yrs back it was easier for the conspiracy hater crowd to shout down the warnings

Things began to shift though, with more voicing legitimate concern, resulting in greater silence from those who don't want to come down off the fence, and fewer, yet more aggressive, crusading conspiracy haters.

[sarcasmo]

87. Correct, many times I have been labeled a tin foil hat.

[Echo In Light]

90. "Labeling" people they enjoy hating is about all they got. They're driven by negative emotion

[Lex Talionis]

86. Its not just Bush. Its the system. When did the militarization of the

Police force start? Which administration, since the 60's as tried to stop it? None.

[sarcasmo]

88. When Bush eliminated posse comitaus that was the last straw. If he had the Military backing he

Would never leave, thankfully I don't thing the Military would back him.

[Lex Talionis]

93. He doesn't have to leave. He just passes the torch to the next.

Doesn't matter which party. Why do you think we only have a two party system? Take gun control. Why has that been a big issue since the 70's? Its not just "gun crime" fueling it.

Its not the Military we should worry about either. Its the DEA,ATF,FBI,your local S.W.A.T teams and our Judicial system. We were called idiots, militia nuts, and worse during the 80's and 90's for saying that the Government was out to gain total control. What do you think now?
For those who think the 2nd amendment is arcane and useless in the 21st century, they should pay more attention to history and to present day events.

MTV putting out this message, for what ever reason, boggles my mind.

[Echo In Light]

91. The police state tactics really took off from the 80s onward, coupled w/24-7 propaganda

[wildbilln864]

65. kicked....

too late to recommend it. :hi:

[Lex Talionis]

67. Well I'll be damned! The real sheep look up!

But hey, its best not to resist. Just go along and you wont get hurt. Also just turn your weapons in at the gate, it will be easier that way. Only, if your a sheep it will.

I'll truly admit that I am shocked that this comes from MTV. Someone must have slipped it by the censors some how. MTV, proving why the Founding Fathers added the Second Amendment, why you should never let the Government 'protect' you. My head spins.
MTV, doing something useful! Or, better yet, warning the common citizen of events that may/could happen. And don't fool yourselves, any of the Elite party members, if there is a difference, are capable of this. We The People. That! Is what they fear the most. Interesting times we live in, interesting times indeed.

Remember this, young ones, never, ever let the Government decide what's 'right' for you. Make them fear you, not the other way around


Those who want defend this, and say it could/will never happen. Step up.

[RT Atlanta]

68. Powerful...

good for them

[lonestarnot]

70. Right on!

Too late to recommend.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. I do hope it wakes people the fuck up

this is what I, and some others, have been saying over the last few years...

GOOD JOB

and KUDOS

Perhaps it has finally sunk

[lonestarnot]

72. Made my kid watch both of them.

His reaction was rebel, but I told him, as he often criticizes me for being to political, that when those events happen it is too late, and he went back to his video game. Arrrg.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Typical reaction but good, he watched them

when he goes to sleep I hope the dream world helps to wake him up

;-)

Dreams are strange things

[lonestarnot]

75. Yes, typical teenager,

but very thoughtful and can hold his own with adult political conversation. I am proud of him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. didn't mean it in a bad way

my niece is kind of the same way... no, not the 13 year old in Mexico...

That one is quite politically naive

The 19 Y\O at Ann Arbor. She is bright but at times you have to wonder until she surprises you with an on spot comment

[lonestarnot]

78. Did I sound snarky?

I didn't mean too, because I didn't think your post was negative at all. :) :toast: to kids! They are our future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. To kids

indeed, and it is the medium

:-)

[RedCappedBandit]

77. What are we supposed to do?

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. Every so often we post the what you can do, or at least some of us

do

1.- Start talking to your neighbors. Believe you me, the isolation created by the state by design or accident ain't helping

2.- Talk to your kids, teach them history

3.- Become politically active, if you speak now, you may avoid the worst of this.

4.- If it gets really bad, and it may come to that... shut up and bear witness... somebody will have to keep a record of what happened.

[Kaleko]

82. More of what we can do....

5. Fire off e-mails with links to everyone you know. Sign online petitions, pester Congress critters by fax, phone and snail mail -- in massive onslaughts by the millions.

6. Boycott corporate news and let them know why they're losing customers en masse to the blogosphere.

7. Go on Youtube and social networking sites; comment, write up a storm.

8. Boycott the big corps. Refuse to buy their products and tell them why every so often.

9. Support each other by showing respect and compassion.



:hug: DU'ers :hug: researchers :hug:

[Lex Talionis]

94. If it gets to that point. Nothing left to do but fight.

Emailing your local Representative wont help.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. Kick!

[bdamomma]

92. what more evidence will it take to show this could be the reality

that we will face, do we let them do it to us???