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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:52 PM
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What you didn't know about the great Scottish poet Robert Burns
According to Professor Palmer, Burns (known for riveting verses such as A Man's A Man For A' That), bought a ticket in 1786 to travel to Jamaica to work as a slave driver. Burns ultimately did not make it to the island.

I'm reading a very interesting book Enlightenment Abolished-Citizens of Britishness by Geoff Palmer. A good friend lent me his copy. I'll soon have my own.

Here's a snip from Palmer's web site

During a visit to Register House, Edinburgh last year I noticed a poster referring to "The distribution of Scottish people around the world". With a smile I said to my host that I hoped people of Scottish descent in the Caribbean were included in this survey of the Scottish Diaspora. He turned and said goodbye quickly to get away from a Jamaican who had suddenly taken leave of his senses. Talking about Scottish-Caribbean history elsewhere in Scotland elicited similar responses.

Although Jamaica is only 146 miles long and no more than 50 miles wide, by 1800 there were 300,000 slaves, 10,000 Scots and a similar number of English. The Scots and English were mainly men and they administered the island and the enslaved black population. In 1795, the Caledonian Mercury noted that Jamaica's slave population was valued officially at £10.25 million. The same Scottish paper publicly disclosed the activities of West Indian slavery yet some Scots still think "It wisnae us" – the title of an excellent booklet from a young enlightened Scot which shows that the economic history of Glasgow is linked to the history of slave-grown tobacco and sugar and to the many Scotsmen who became millionaires from slavery.

How did the Scots join the slave business? Originally officially excluded from the English slave trade, Scots such as Colonel John Campbell left the failed Scottish colonial experiment in Darien, Panama and arrived in Jamaica between 1697 and 1700. He had a large family in Jamaica and died there in 1740, initiating the spread of the name Campbell all over the island. Today there are many more Campbells in Jamaica per acre than in Scotland. In 1707 Scottish politicians signed 25 Acts to unify the parliaments of Scotland and England. The Act that was signed first was Act 4 which allowed the Scots to join the English slave business. Young Scotsmen rushed to the Caribbean to make quick fortunes as slave masters, slave doctors and administrators. The great economic benefits of Caribbean slavery to Scotland were clearly apparent to Robert Burns who wrote a toast honouring the "Memory of those on the 12th that we lost', commemorating one of the most gruesome and crucial naval battles fought between the French, Spanish and the British. The prize was Jamaica. Like other young Scotsmen who wanted to change their lives making money from slavery, Burns bought his ticket for Jamaica in 1786, intending to sail from Greenock with Highland Mary but his new book of poems sold well and he did not sail. Later, Burns' new lady friend, Clarinda (Mrs McLehose), sailed to Jamaica to discuss the state of her marriage with her husband, a slave master. On her return she told Burns her husband told her to return to Edinburgh as he was quite happy in Jamaica with his "ebony woman and mahogany children".
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:17 PM
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1. So...some of those beautiful Jamaicans are part Scottish?
The slaves must be a mix of so many different heritages. Genetic traces would be interesting no?

Many slaves in the South were also of mixed race.

I guess Burns was a creation of the media regarding "How much do I love thee..." Apparently he said this to more than one woman.

I noticed when touring those Southern Plantations many of the owners were European who came here to the South to own salves and get rich. Slavery was banned there before it was banned here. The local whites left without jobs and lived in dire poverty. No all were rich plantation owners (top 1% just like now) although they like to act like we (Yankees) took that from them. They never had that kind of wealth in the first place.

The British royals (elite) made everyone their slaves...Irish, Scottish, Welch...sending them to colonize their Empire. They made them prisoners and then used them. Does that sound familiar? The apple falls not far from the tree.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:56 PM
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2. and Irish
A lot of poor Irish people were sent to Barbados, St Kitts, Jamaica and Montserrat.
We're all mixed up.

In fairness to Burns, he never came, but he did think about it.
If you want to really understand the cruelty of British slavery in Jamaica read Thomas Thistlewood's Diary edited by Douglas Hall.
It's shocking and I'm not easily shocked.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:04 PM
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4. Easy Mac....you're mistaken....
"How much do I love thee?" Was Elizabeth Barrett Browning....
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:07 PM
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9. As a Welsh-descended American, I have to point out your mistake.
Or your typo, whichever...
It's Welsh, not welch.

Welch makes grape juice.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:26 PM
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10. Sorry spell check and history failed me.
I did see the home of Robert Burns while on a trip.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:59 PM
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3. Very Interesting....I love his poetry....
which is odd as much of it is written in scottish dialect which is quite hard to understand.I knew of the scottish influence on Jamaica thru Mitchener's "Carribean" . I'm glad he didn't make it there as I would have been disillusioned to hear he had been an overseer in the system...
"Oh What a giftie God Gie us,
To see ourselves in the light
That other people see us...."
"To a Louse"
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:20 PM
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5. Isn't that the truth
and he may never have written A Red Red Rose.

Yes, How do I love thee is Elizabeth Barrett Browning's most famous poem.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:48 PM
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7. Daddy was a diesel mechanic....
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:49 PM by catnhatnh
who enticed me to read an old college poetry (not his) text with some Burns...with footnotes to translate to "standard" english....Tam O'Shanter, both the poem,and the circumstances of its writing (it was written as a ghost tale about Kirk Alloway-the church where Burns intended to be buried in an exchange with an artist friend for a sketch of the churchyard)fascinated me.The fact the punchline was a pun hooked me for life...
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:29 PM
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11. Seems the story get turned around in our heads.
She was crazy about him but not the other way around eh?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:46 PM
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6. Burns missing his opportunity to be an integral part of the slave trade and one of
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:48 PM by no_hypocrisy
his known verses -- ironic?

the best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
Gang aft agley,
An'lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!


The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:53 PM
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8. "Still thou art blessed compared wi'me....
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:54 PM by catnhatnh
the present only toucheth thee...." pretty bleak shit, but the honesty floored me.....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:58 AM
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14. Touche!!
Very good :D
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:57 PM
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12. Speaking of Burns...

An English doctor was being shown around a Scottish hospital. Near the end of his visit, he saw a ward of patients with no obvious injuries.


He started to examine the first patient, but the man proclaimed:


"Fair fa' yer honest, sonsie face / Great chieftain o' the puddin' race!"


The doctor, taken aback, moved on to the next patient, who immediately said,


"Some hae meat and canna eat / And some wad eat that want it."


The next patient cried out,


"Wee sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie /


O what a panic's in thy breastie!"


"Well," the English doctor muttered to his Scottish colleague, "I see you saved the psychiatric ward for last







"Oh, no," said the Scottish doctor. "This is our serious Burns unit!"




I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist. :spank:


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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:02 AM
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13. Well if I controlled the DUZY's
this would be the first turbo-charged one...HAYSUS both learned (pronounced LAIR-NID) and funny as shit (pronounced however you like)...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:59 AM
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15. HaHahahahahahaha
That's great. A DUzy for certain :D
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