German Buys 3 Pages of NY Times to Explain War to Americans

[moodforaday]

Excerpt from the article:

German Buys 3 Pages of NY Times to Explain War to Americans

by David Swanson

Jürgen Todenhöfer says on his website that he has drafted 10 theses to be printed in 3 parts. The first 2 parts, containing the first 5 theses, were printed on two full pages of today's New York Times, pages 6 and 7, and in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and the Al-Quds Al-Arabi. The third part is to be printed on Sunday. These hugely expensive ads refer readers to this website: www.why-do-you-kill-zaid.com

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_080314_german_buys_3_pages_.htm

I love this guy already. His website is here, and the first two pages already printed in NYT are here and here. These are not just simple soundbites, these are full-length articles outlining the history of the West stirring up the Middle East.

[dysfunctional press]

1. someone should have reminded him that most americans don't read any newspapers

let alone the ny times.

[roguevalley]

2. I don't believe you are accurate in that most don't. they aren't as

many but most do.

[slampoet]

17. Obviously most Americans Don't read newspapers.

Once you count those under 16

Once you count those who can't see and don't get braile/tapes

Once you count those who don't read the only crappy biased paper in their area.

Once you count those who are illiterate.

Once you count those who are willingly uniformed.

Once you count those who have environmental problems with papers
(cause this ad isn't gonna be on the NYTimes Web Site)

Once you count those who don't have the time to read the paper that they still buy for some reason

Once you count those who think the entire MSM is full of it.

Once you count those who don't have a paper in their language nearby

Once you count those who think they are getting all the news they need from basic TV.





Even in the 80's newspapers claimed only a third of people's new sources.


I used to have a three newspaper a day habit for nearly 15 years.


Now I don't read any US newspaper except my local entertainment weekly and I have almost no loss of information.
I wish it weren't so. But it is.

[malaise]

3. Get thee to the greatest page

On to the second link now.

This will restart the genocide debate.

Thank you Juergen Todenhoefer. :toast:

[moodforaday]

4. Thanks for the recs

I wasn't going to bet NYT would print it, but it seems they already have published the first two pages. And if you check out his page, Juergen Todenhoefer seems to be doing a lot of good with what his career brought him. My hat is off to him.

[malaise]

5. Recs?

I'm sending this to everyone I know right fugging now :D

It is brilliant.

[ellisonz]

6. Kick.

[Make7]

7. It would have been nice to see some of that in the run-up to the War....

... rather than the stenography of "journalists" like Judith Miller.

- Make7

[lovuian]

8. k&R

:kick:

[bigbrother05]

9. bookmarked

[cyberpj]

10. All of the ten theses

All of the ten theses

The 10 theses from Jürgen Tödenhöfer's book "Why do you kill, Zaid?" are an attempt to portray the world from the viewpoint of a Muslim for once. Jürgen Todenhöfer hopes that the following 10 theses will perhaps open a window onto another way of seeing the Muslim world – or at least prompt a fair discussion.

1. The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began.

2. Faced with the warmongering of the West, it is really not surprising that support for Muslim extremists continues to grow.

3. Terrorists in Islamic disguise are murderers. The same holds true for the ringleaders disguised as Christians who wage wars of aggression in contravention of international law.

4. Muslims were and are at least as tolerant as Jews and Christians. They have made a major contribution to Western civilization.

5. Love of God and love of one's neighbor are the central commandments not only in the Bible but also in the Qur'an.

6. Western policies towards the Muslim world suffer from a shocking ignorance of even the simplest facts.

7. The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.

8. The Muslims must champion a progressive and tolerant Islam, as did their prophet Muhammad. They must strip terrorism of its religious mask.

9. Nothing fosters terrorism more than the West's "war on terror". Muslim countries must resolve their problems with radical Islamism themselves.

10. What is needed now is the art of statesmanship, not the art of war - in the Iran conflict, the Iraq conflict and the Palestine conflict.

This page can found at: http://www.whydoyoukillzaid.com/en/10-theses/all-of-the-ten-theses.html

[aikoaiko]

11. I just read the first two pages, but I find it interesting that he fails to mention Germany when ...

...talking about how the West has been meddling with the Middle East.

Perhaps in another thesis he shines his light on his own.

[malaise]

12. Germany is part of the West n/t

[aikoaiko]

13. of course, but not his examples....so far

[JDPriestly]

22. Germany has no oil and when I was there was not building

nuclear energy plants. I don't know whether Germany has changed its policy on nuclear energy plants.

Germany is systematically moving toward alternative energy. Germany needs oil, but it is acting more responsibly than we are with regard to energy and the situation in the Middle East. Germany supports Israel to the best of my knowledge. So do I.

[Martin Eden]

27. German colonialism

If Germany was engaged in the same kind of depridations as the French examples he cited, then indeed there is room to criticise him for the omission.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. K and R. nt

[Karenina]

15. . .

[Boojatta]

16. Here's a tricky part.

Over the past 200 years no Muslim state has ever attacked the West.

A young Muslim who follows the news on television sees day after day how Muslim women, children and men are killed by
Western weapons, Western allies and Western soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia and elsewhere.

The idea seems to be to demonstrate an asymmetry, but if he is going to use the claim that Muslims are "killed by
Western weapons, Western allies and Western soldiers" then shouldn't he be claiming that over the past 200 years no Muslim state has attacked any people who use Western weapons or have Western allies, or have been defended by Western soldiers?

For example, if Kuwait has used Western weapons or Kuwait has Western allies or Kuwait has been defended by Western soldiers, then he could try to prove that no Muslim state has attacked Kuwait within the past 200 years.

[girl gone mad]

18. It's a one-sided piece throughout.

Unfortunate.

[Boojatta]

19. How about this?

Terrorism is never religious. To be a terrorist is to adopt the methods of the devil; no terrorist may invoke God.

Until September 11, 2001, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka were indisputably considered the world‘s deadliest terrorist
organization. They murdered thousands of innocent civilians. They professionalized and perfected suicide terrorism, and were
copied down to the last detail by others around the world, especially in the Mideast. They continue to bomb and murder even today. They are Hindus, not Muslims.

He seems to have taken both sides: no terrorists may invoke God, but some terrorists are Hindus and that suggests that they might invoke God.

[localroger]

29. No, he is demonstrating

...that it is not your god that makes you a terrorist, that willingness to kill is unrelated to your religious beliefs.

[Boojatta]

30. Are you sure that willingness to kill is always unrelated to religious beliefs?

What about human sacrifice as practiced by Aztecs?

[Boojatta]

20. Here's another tricky part.

Even Saddam Hussein, a "partner" who was renamed a "rogue", might still be doing as he pleases, even today, had he remained a partner of the United States. The massacre of Dujail, in which 148 people died and for which he was executed, occurred 26 years ago in 1982. At the time Saddam was, for the United States, an important player in the Mideast and waged war with Western support against Khomeini‘s Iran. Donald Rumsfeld visited Saddam in 1983, as special envoy of the U.S. president, even though he had been thoroughly informed about Dujail. Saddam was, after all, our anti-Islamist comrade-in-arms; he was supplied by Germany with components for chemical weapons, by France with fighter jets, and by the United States with satellite data on Iranian positions. In the Mideast, the West never showed any interest in human rights or democracy; it was and is fighting for oil.

The people of Iraq are worse off now than they were under Saddam (according to Kofi Annan). There cannot be many Iraqis who say: "Great, our country has been destroyed; more than a million people have been killed; four and a half million have been made refugees; the child mortality rate is one of the highest in the world; electricity, water and medicine are scarce; unemployment and inflation have risen to more than 50 percent; one can hardly go out onto the street; in Baghdad people are living in walled ghettos since ‘good fences make good neighbors,’ as U.S. general David Petraeus put it — but it was worth it, Saddam is gone."

My guess of what that means:

Saddam Hussein didn't work entirely alone, but he was a notorious violator of human rights in Dujail, so one might think that his Iraqi partners didn't care about human rights. However, actually Iraqis knew that it would be too costly to remove Saddam Hussein, so they were right to be satisfied with Saddam Hussein and to want him to remain as their leader despite his violations of human rights in Iraq. They were satisfied with Saddam Hussein because they truly did care about human rights in Iraq. However, Saddam Hussein's foreign partners were also satisfied with Saddam Hussein, so they truly didn't care about human rights in Iraq.

[JDPriestly]

23. I was going to say. Muslim states have attacked other

Muslim states. And they have supported those who attacked Israel. Many Muslims have provided the financial backing for groups associated with Bin Laden. Also there have been radical Muslim terrorists against their own nationals in countries like Indonesia.

[NuttyFluffers]

21. too many words... america will never read it.

but i'll recommend it anyway, because y'know it's a discussion that doesn't involve prostitution and therefore a smattering of diversity here.

[Bozita]

24. Yes. That's why the teevee part of the corporate media needs to pick up on it.

If not, it just kinda dissolves into that archive part of the web.

[malaise]

26. Not a single word all now n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

25. See what happens when the dollar collapses?

Germans with chump change get to take out multi-page ads in our own dear NeoClown Times.

[defendandprotect]

28. I cancelled the NY Times when they took on the criminal Karl Rove . . .

so thanks for the update ---

[f the letter]

31. Not bad! Will be good to see what comes of this

Hopefully something major.

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. Since when have the deaths of 600,000 Iraqis become acceptable?

Has Bush matched the Evil Dictator Saddam's number of dead quite yet? What then does that make him? Impeach and prosecute now.

Thanks for the links. This is good reading. Recommending.

[Kaleko]

33. Wow! Recommended, thanks for posting this.

[mainer]

34. It really made me think -- a fascinating piece

I keep hearing that "Islam is a religion of hate." This ad reminded me that Christians commit far more violence against Muslims.

[Gonnuts]

35. He better use big fonts and short words ...

... and place on TV in the same time-slot and channel as American Idol.

I don't know why he needs all that space, it can explained in a few words, "hubris", "greed", "arrogance", "sadism", "fascism", "ignorance", "stupidity", that should just about cover it.

[judasdisney]

36. An Iranian proverb says

"God created wars so that Americans would learn geography."

[Forkboy]

37. God damn America.