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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:10 AM
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Fed rate cut today of 1% (or more) will NOT help Americans
Who is this schmuck Ali on CNN and why is telling people today's rate cut will help home owners immediately?

Even if this rate cut bucks the trend and IS passed on to mortgage holders by the banks/lenders (none of the others was), the damage to the dollar will definitely show up in increased fuel prices tomorrow and on grocery store shelves soon after -- impacting us all.

Those refund checks of $600-1200 everyone's getting will come in handy to pay for a loaf of bread later this year.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:14 AM
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1. it's all a scam to con the average American into more consumer spending
the economy of the repubs is built on spending and spending and more spending . . .

the $600 is just to trigger a $1200 purchase . . .
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:32 AM
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2. Well the Repubs are in for a shock
...if they're expecting more than a dead cat bounce from it. Most people can't afford to spend their rebate on supporting Bush**'s disastrous economy any longer. It'll be spent on food, gas (the things they don't figure into CPI) and bills -- essentials.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:59 AM
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10. my son-in-law is trying to figure out which large screen TV to buy . . .
Best Buy, WalMart, Target and the rest are advertising TVs right at $600 . . .

This is no coincidence.

They understand the persona of the American consumer.

We need to shift from a spending model to a savings model. We need to reward saving - not spending. That will not happen until the repubs are history. Their "death-tax", "no more taxes" and other greedy mantras are killing us.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:35 AM
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3. The banks aren't going to lend us
any money at those low interest rates, no sirreee. That's why all the credit has dried up. For example, try and find a private student loan at a fixed interest rate. There aren't any; they're all variable-rate so the lenders can screw the kids the nanosecond the rates go up again. Same with other loans.
Loans won't be available to us again until they can go back to charging their usurious high interest rates.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:37 AM
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4. "Throwing good money after bad" - akin to putting a new engine into a car with a rotting frame.
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Fix the frame first maybe?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:40 AM
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5. Everyone Should Follow Cheney's Lead And Buy Euros
with their rebate checks.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:45 AM
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6. It's about the only hedge left against the falling dollar for the average American
Unfortunately most average Americans don't have the discretionary income to sink into buying a foreign currency.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:47 AM
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7. But It Would Send A Great Message Wouldn't It nt
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:50 AM
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9. So would millions marching on DC carrying pitchforks and torches!
:)
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:17 AM
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13. LOL I Could Gor For That One Too nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:47 AM
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8. This is exactly what the Repubs did before the 1929 crash.
They tried to put bandaids on the economy but left the free market (translate criminal market) go willy nilly wild as it wished. In other words, instead of ridding the highway of bandits, they cleared the brush so that the bandits could see the hapless travelers better as they passed on the road. Naturally, robberies increased as they will here.

The only solution here is to raise wages and create jobs, good paying jobs for people. Forget about training. The solution here is on-the-job training. Get people into good jobs doing good things for our country. And stop that wasteful war.

The Bush administration was on its way to a terrible recession after the crash in the tech stocks when Bush took over. To get us out of that, they allowed changes in the law that would "increase home ownership" and stimulate the construction industry -- not coincidentally an industry in which they have many friends starting from Home Depot's then owners up to top developers in booming regions like Texas and Florida. Problem is, they forgot to raise wages so that people could actually pay for the houses that they built.

Case in point: Before Bush took office, we used to go for walks on a hill not too far from our house. At that time, it was just vacant land, lots of vacant land with a nice view of some of the long established communities in the area. The immediate housing around the hill was not very good. In fact, on one side, the housing looked like a shanty town.

A developer took over the hill, divided it into tiny lots and built one huge house after the other just as close together as possible. Basically, the houses are gigantic stand-alone condos with little patios in back.

The first houses ranged in price from $250,000 to $450,000 approximately. As mortgage regulations loosened and interest rates went down under the Bush administration, the developer built many more houses on the hill. They were essentially the same houses as in the beginning, but the prices rose a couple of hundred thousand dollars. We know because we looked at the early houses and then visited again later. In all that time, the houses didn't change, and wages didn't change. But the price of those monstrous houses went up.

During this period, we watched the paper value of our own house rise very quickly. My neighbor and I (we live in a working class neighborhood) used to ponder together how in the world families could possibly afford the houses in our neighborhood at the prices for which they were selling considering the stagnant wages.

As we see now, they couldn't. As we also see, greed does not pay if you look at things in broad economic terms. The wealthy class has been overly greedy. The little people buying the houses weren't the greedy ones. They were robbed by the bandits that the Bush administration let loose on them.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:01 AM
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11. It's on purpose
I agree. But I think that they did NOT "forgot to raise wages so that people could actually pay for the houses that they built." Why should they do that? It would cut into profits.

The people in Bush's class will have run with their money long before this economic downturn affects their STANDING in the class structure. Those very profitable but doomed investments were sold to pension funds, etc., before the inevitability of their coming collapse was public.

And they hung Martha Stewart out to dry for far less.


Follow the money. "A taxpayer-funded government bailout related to mortgages during the S&L crisis may have created a moral hazard and acted as encouragement to lenders to make similar higher-risk loans during the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis. <4>"
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:03 AM
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12. And for people with money in the bank, lowering the rate is supposed to do what for us?
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