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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 AM
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Anybody else worried about the GE like I am?
We went into this with a slam dunk. With all of the infighting now I'm wondering if we're setting ourselves up give it to McCain in November. I cringe when I watch the Corporate Media manipulate us to get the candidates and type of race that they want. We're being set up again and I'm getting to the point where I can't stand to watch (or care) any more.

I'll go to the polls in November and vote for whatever Democrat is on the ballot. I'm just worried if it will be enough.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:11 AM
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1. Too little, too late. I was for Edwards, who per polls had best shot against McCain --
but media killed him by ignoring him.

Btw. Obama and Clinton, I think Obama's more electable.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:17 AM
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7. Former Edwards supporter here also
The treatment of Edwards (and Kucinich) in the first few primaries proves the point that the MSM is picking the candidates and orchestrating how the campaigns are covered.

I'm a Democrat and I'll vote as such. I'm worried most about the SCOTUS if another (any other) Repug gets in the White House so I'll vote for whatever Dem gets the nomination. It won't be the first time.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:11 AM
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2. I was worried about the 2006 elections
I worry about every election, with maybe the exception of 1996, as that was such a runaway race. I always worry.
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:13 AM
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3. McCain's Still a Weak Candidate
John McCain, a fine bloke I'd have a drink with in any bar in the world, is not such a great presidential candidate. He does not enjoy the trust of his own party. He's pretty old--although that shouldn't be what's its about, it will be a question in many voters' minds. He's from a small state.

And, most of all, more than half of the Republican Party is Christian Fundamentalist crazies. They don't trust McCain. They may bolt to a third party candidate.

Divide and conquer, Baby.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:14 AM
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4. I'm actually more comfortable now
I went into this grudgingly accepting Obama as the lesser of two evils.

In the past few weeks, I've come to respect the man.


I believe Obama will be our candidate...and, for better or worse, he will be who he is. He will be honest. We'll win or lose on reality, not machinations.

...and, win or lose, I can live with that.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:26 AM
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10. Oh I agree with you...
I don't want this to get sent to the GDP cesspool so I was trying not to get candidate-specific. My preference also runs to Obama but I'm worried that all of the infighting between our two candidates is getting in the way of showing America why we can't stand another Repug president.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:35 AM
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12. It'll be ok.
I realize this comes from an earlier generation (I'm 40...my parents were the hippies), but I really believe...in this case...that if we're coming from the right place, we'll do fine.

I think Obama is our best chance to get there.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:14 AM
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5. How does it feel to be a lone star?
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:16 AM
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6. McCain gets angry one time, it's over!!!!
He does not have the temperment to survive a full on fight.

He's the freakin' poster boy for Assisted Living.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:21 AM
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8. Ahem...
Check out who we've elected the last two POTUS elections.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:14 AM
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22. We haven't elected anyone the past two Elections.
Both were stolen.

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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:23 AM
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9. I'm worried the same shit is going to happen no matter who is elected
Bushco will not be held accountable.

They will go on pretending we did Iraq a huge favor and can't leave because they need us.

They will keep pretending that Iran is a threat and that AlCIAda is out to get us.

We need to ensure our safety by electing a new Congress that will uphold the Constitution.

We cannot count on the current crop of corrupt politicians to stop the bullshit.

We need to take back the people's house for the people!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:13 AM
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15. Agreed. Congress is far more important than the WH...
The only way we are going to send the message that we're paying attention and demand REAL change is by replacing a large number of the incumbent Republics, Dinos, DLC'ers and coporatists.

I went from DK, to JB, to JE to BO, but I'll vote for Hill if that's the option in November, but even McSame can't do shit without the current crop of enablers and collaborators.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:27 AM
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11. Yes. If neither Dem bows out, we will have President McCain
They need to change the rules. Both parties need to have the same way of tabulating primary wins. To have the Pugs with winner-take-all and the Dems with divisions of the delegates for all candidates leaves the Dems vulnerable to the infighting. Had the Dems had winner take all, Hillary would be winning this thing (she gets all the major population centers) and Obama would have withdrawn by now. Or, had the Repubs had a representational division, Huckabee and Mitt would still be chasing McCain's ass.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:36 AM
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13. Nopety
The Democratic nominee will do just fine. As a supporter of Barrack Obama, I predict a landslide victory so large that Senator mCcain will throw himself under the bus this time around.

Pinning ones candidacy to President bush right now when he is so highly despised, even in his own country, is not such a great plan. Many republicans plan to sit this one out because they feel that the party has drifted off to places they are unable to defend. Other republicans will vote for Senator Obama because they want change...just because they have been supporters of the republican party hasn't rendered them immune from what their leaders have done to us all.

Adding to my confidence in the Democratic nominee is the unprecedented voter turn-out and the unprecedented educating that turn-out is taking upon itself. From all reports, the clear majority of this newly educated electorate is turning out for the Democrats. I predict that the republican party will find itself with even smaller numbers in the House and Senate, a wildly popular Democratic President in the White House and a new found humbleness come January. The republicans will be in rebuilding mode a loooong time. I hope a few from their party will be in jail for an even longer time.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:43 AM
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14. Save some worrying in the GE for the Congressionals. Completely forgotten here and otherwheres. nt
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:17 AM
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16. Not After Today
I look at the GE as a choice between hope or four more years of the exact same policies. Now, if the American people are dumb enough to chose another Bush, then there's nothing that we can do.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:20 AM
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17. Worrying solves nothing
I worry too, but if we just worry for the next 7 months nothing will be achieved. There are a variety of things that can happen that we should do what we can to help happen.


1. If Obama is the nominee, people like John Edwards (who has alot of clout with blue collar reagan democrats) can help pull them back into the dem party.

2. Encourage a 3rd party candidate like the Libertarian candidate to suck votes off the GOP.

3. Register voters who lean democrat (young, racial minorities, independents) in swing states.

4. Do everything we can to show how McCain wants to maintain Bush's economic & foreign policies which will cost another $5 trillion or so in lost revenue and wasted military spending. Tie that into our failing infrastructure here at home. Tie every failing of Bush to McCain.

We have 7 months to heal the party. I think we can achieve it if we work at it.

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:38 AM
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21. Nice Post Juche.
Welcome to the big DU Juche. Motivation can be good thing...it certainly won't hurt to see more of that around here imo.
:toast: to you for that.

I would add to mCcain's plate: Perhaps a million dead Iraqi civilians since bush lied us into war and an additional 3 million citizens displaced. Iraqi infrastructure is still in a shambles and the entire Middle East is praying to Allah that America comes to her senses THIS time and rejects 4 more years of the bush doctrine of destruction. Around 800 of our boys and girls slaughtered per year and tens of thousands more are now maimed for life. Who will pay for all of this john mCcain, who will pay? :grr:

(Oh and don't forget to add that our dear Senator john mcWar-monger is no friend to gun owners...he would increase gun regulations...has even voted to do so often enough!)
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:05 AM
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18. I'm not surprised it's turning into another 50-50 race
I never forgot that, despite the perfect storm of shit that enveloped the GOP in 2005-06, 45 percent of voters nationwide STILL voted for a Republican congressional candidate. I never forgot that we won the Senate by 10,000 votes or less.

People hate Bush, but old voting habits seem to die hard, and a lot of the Bush hate is from rwers who think he hasn't been "conservative" enough.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:19 AM
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19. More concerned about making it to the GE
Dollar tanking, credit markets in turmoil, gas inflated, inflation rampant, jobs and economy in the crapper... November is a long ways off. Oh yeah, war and occupation in two countries and Cheney and McCain stoking the fires under an Iran invasion.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:52 AM
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20. I'm not worried. I never was. Amerikan elections are now identical to Chinese and Russian "votes"
Strip away just the tiniest bit of bullshit and window-dressing, and one can see Amerika, Russia, and China are all working from the same playbook, not matter which economic rationale they use behind their similar tyrannies.

I am not advocating that people shouldn't vote, in fcat, our tiniest of small chances to beat the rigged game is too flood the system with honest votes. I will be voting in November for the Democratic Nominee.

But I have no illusions about the Death (by a Thousand Cuts) of the Old American Republic. I have no desire to go into any of the dozens maybe even hundreds of aspects to this, but it all adds up to a rigged system that maybe even less flexible than what is practiced in our sister tyrannies, Russia and China.

None. Get ready for Emperor McCain. And I have got news for you. It is entirely possible that McCain wins in an honest vote tally, which means a truly crushing landslide defeat if the honest votes tied or McCain has a slight edge.

Don't blame the messenger because reality sucks.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:34 AM
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23. Cut back on the mainstream news and your worries will disappear.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:38 AM by Perry Logan
The corporate media exists to weaken and demoralize the left. They will systematically underreport any good news about Democrats, and say anything to make the Right look stronger.

The truth is, America is headed leftward helter-skelter, propelled by six years of mind-blowing Republican screw-ups. Young voters are the most Democratic generation in American history.

Most important of all, the neocon election-fraud machine has been severely damaged.

Think about it: the Party of Treason has lost the popular vote for President in the last FOUR elections. Our internecine squabbles will not much affect the way Americans feel. The Repubs don't have a shot.
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