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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:53 AM
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Is This President F*cking Crazy?! Or Is He Finally Being Truthful?
from HuffPost:




Steve Young
Is This President F*cking Crazy?! Or Is He Finally Being Truthful?
Posted March 19, 2008 | 07:46 AM (EST)



"War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq, so now they argue the war costs too much." President Bush March 19, 2008

Read that again. He's saying it today, the fifth anniversary of a war that in his own words means we were losing four out of those five years.

"War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq..."

He now admits that those who questioned what he and his cronies had been touting for at least the first four years - that things in Iraq were going swimmingly - were right. Those who talk show Lords of Loud had called Defeatocrats and underminers of the military were, in fact, "credible."

WE WERE LOSING.

The President says so...now

For those who, like Bill O'Reilly, who ask for proof that the President had lied, now have it. From his own mouth.

For the first four years, he was LYING.

If the President is not lying now and my math is right, that means he lied for 80% of the war.

What would you call a person who lies about something 80% of the time?

But even if he is telling the truth now, it's a truth that is nauseatingly offensive.

"No one would argue that this war has not come at a high cost in lives and treasure, but those costs are necessary when we consider the cost of a strategic victory for our enemies in Iraq."

Mr. President...Are you saying your wholesale mismanagement of this war makes all the lives and treasures lost still "necessary"?

What a colossal insult to those soldiers and families whose losses were "necessary;" to those countless Iraqi civilians who lost lives and livelihood.

You may not be crazy, but you are cold beyond words. Beyond your own words.

March 19th means different things to different people. To those looking forward to Spring vacation, March 19 is the last day of the winter. To Hungarians, March 19 is the day that German forces occupied Hungary. To hotels and gamblers anonymous, March 19 is the day wagering was legalized in Nevada. To me, March 19 is my lovely wife's birthday. And being the true Philly guy, to celebrate, my thirteen year old son and I will be going to the Wachovia Center to catch Allen Iverson's first return to the Philadelphia in a visitor's jersey.

And, to some, it means we've been in Iraq for five years.

Five years and nearly 40,000 wounded (Pentagon #s) Americans.
Five years and nearly 90,000 Iraqi civilian deaths (Pentagon #s).
Five years and nearly 5,000,000 (35%) Iraqi children are orphans.
Five years and nearly 4,000,000 Iraq refugees.

The most difficult number to grasp is that on March 19th at a cost of $3,000,000,000,000 (the Bush Administration said it would run about $50,000,000....Hey, what's six zeros?) to find 0 weapons of mass destruction (Pentagon #s) and 0 Iraq and Al Quaeda connections (Pentagon #s), we have suffered nearly 4,000 American soldiers' deaths. Not numbers. Men and women.

And on this March 19th, our compassionate conservative president says that it was all necessary.

Later, after his speech, President Bush will dine and sleep well.

Tonight, will you be able to keep your food down?

Will you be able to sleep?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/is-this-president-fcking_b_92263.html

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:05 AM
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1. I was once told that one good indicator of insanity is that the
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:07 AM by snagglepuss
person in question has absolutely no clue about his own odd behaviour. Who but someone on the fringe of sanity could make such a declaration?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:11 AM
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2. And there is also the yardstick of...
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I'd say that fits Bush pretty well too.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:12 AM
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12. * now touting "young democracy rising from the rubble of Saddam Hussein's tyranny"
The Resident is fucking nuts all right. :puke:

He's giving a history of the Iraq War according to Bush, the Insaner.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:17 AM
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13. We just got our "tax relief" notice in the mail last week.
The first thing that popped into my mind was this definition of insanity. Let's see, we gave people a pittance back to improve the economy a few years ago and that worked so darned well let's do it again!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 AM
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3. K&R
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:20 AM
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4. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:26 AM
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5. Excellent point.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:27 AM
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6. Problem, too, is how does he define "winning"?
:shrug:

How can anyone define "winning" in that whole mess?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:33 AM
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8. Staying is winning.
If we leave, we don't get the oil.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:00 PM
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16. Ding, ding, ding......and BINGO!!!!
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:02 PM by Mind_your_head
THAT is exactly the truth of how *, cheney, the neo-cons, and any of your ordinary 20%'er 'joes & janes' who still support the 'war' see it:

"if we leave, we don't get the oil"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:14 PM
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:29 PM
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24. I'm going to alert here.
It's in poor taste, if nothing else, to publicly wish for Cheney's violent death. Otherwise, yeah—the whole plan was government by billionaires, for billionaires, and fuck everybody else.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:32 AM
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7. $22,000,000,000,000
That's how much Iraq's oil is currently worth, give or take. Of course it's "worth it," if we invaded for the oil.

Here's another interesting number: 5,000,000 Iraqi orphans but only 90,000 civilian dead? Where are the parents of all these orphaned children?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:34 AM
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9. If we're so fucking successful how come we're still in Iraq?
Wouldn't success be measured by fewer troops or none at all?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:09 AM
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10. that's the Trillion Dollar question, isn't it?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:10 AM
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11. "the world is better and the US is safer." Yeah, dream on, FratKing
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:23 AM
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14. It's not a war, it's resistance to an invasion.
Breeding a new generation of potential terrorists.

We win!
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:55 PM
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15. Afternoon KICK
:kick:
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:08 PM
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17. Look at this strictly from a logistical standpoint..
Knowing now how much the war cost, it would have been a much better use of money to spend it on protecting our borders, our airports, seaports, and railways. These things would help provide tangible security because we could make sure that no attacks could occur on our homeland. Being involved in a futile war for 5 years that has decimated the readiness and strength of the military, reduced our name abroad, destroyed our economy, and recruited more terrorists is obviously the stupid decision. But I guess that actual safety isn't very sexy to the radical right.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:30 PM
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22. What if we just invested all of that 'war' money into developing alternative
energy and sold/leased that technology out to the rest of world? USA, USA, USA <---- I say that with :sarcasm: would still be 'at the front of the pack' and doing what it was good at. Namely, innovation with solid manufacture and delivery-as-promised.

If that had happened, would we be saying, "they hate us for our solar panels"? ..... I don't think so. It would be a different, mutually beneficial, more sane world than the one that the crazy neocons and partners-in-crime have foisted upon us.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:18 PM
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19. You are way too low on the Iraqi civilian deaths. Try over 1 million. 1 1/2 yrs ago it was at
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:21 PM
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20. I didn't write it.....just posted it.
n/t
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:27 PM
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21. Yeah,,,and what's more...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:27 PM by PCIntern
have a great time tonight...I went to a fair number of Sixer games in Iverson's first season and although he was spectacular as a kid, no one has ever been able to do what he did for pro basketball in our town - a city which is dominated by the college teams. He was a lousy team player and a distraction on and off the court, but it was the most memorable time since the 67 Champs as far as I'm concerned...the 83 team was great but won in a workmanlike fashion with Malone spearheading the consistency.

Have fun!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:35 PM
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23. WE ARE STILL LOSING.
Iraqi government is failing to meet necessary goals. Violence is STILL prevalent ("down" or not) and most importantly to me (I'm sorry I don't have a source for this, it was on Countdown) nearly 75% of Iraqis say that conditions are NOT better.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:28 AM
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25. "WE ARE WINNING!!!!! IRAQ IS GETTING IT'S ASS KICKED!!!!!"
Oh, wait...
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