stewert
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:33 AM
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What Happened to as They Stand up we Stand Down? |
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Remember a few years ago Bush said as they stand up we will stand down, referring to training the Iraqi military.
He was saying as they get Iraqi troops trained he will bring US troops home, yet it's 5 years later and no US troops are coming home.
Does anyone know how many Iraqi troops are trained now?
How come after 5 years none of the US troops are coming home?
And what happened to the media reporting on it, they have totally ignored the story.
If we cant train the Iraqi military in 5 years will it ever be done.
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:34 AM
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ColbertWatcher
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:36 AM
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2. I remember Kerry saying something about this during a debate... |
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...with Durr Idiot.
Didn't Kerry say that the numbers of Iraqis that were trained and ready were not sufficient?
All those years ago...
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:37 AM
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kentuck
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:37 AM
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4. I guess they aren't "standing up"? |
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Otherwise, we would be "standing down"? Whatever the hell that means.
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:39 AM
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5. he was relying on what appears to have been 'faulty intelligence'.... |
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i wish i had known that term as a little boy...would have tried to use it on my mom and dad...
maybe i could have avoided a few spanks here and there...
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:45 AM
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7. The only faulty intelligence there |
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lies between Bush's ears.
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:41 AM
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6. It can be done. it will take time |
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it will take between 50 to 100 years.
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:49 AM
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9. I Found This at cfr.org |
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From December 2006:
What is the status of training Iraqi forces?
U.S. officials say 85 percent of the training mission is complete and that the military has trained five Iraqi divisions, twenty-five brigades, and eighty-seven army and police battalions capable of leading security operations in select areas, according to the Brookings Institution’s Iraq Index. But Anthony Cordesman, a counterinsurgency expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, writes that “such reports are misleading to the point of being actively dishonest.”
The problem, he says, is the U.S. estimates do not accurately reflect the large number of Iraqi soldiers who are trained but then desert the army. Gauging the development of these forces is increasingly difficult because the U.S. Defense Department has stopped declassifying material about Iraqi troop readiness (its previous Level One to Level Four grading system), instead only releasing information on the numbers of units “ready and equipped” and “in the lead.”
“These are vague, if not meaningless categories,” Cordesman writes. “‘In the lead’ does not indicate the level of independence from U.S. support, and we do not know how many ‘ready and equipped’ soldiers quit or deserted the force.” Cordesman and other experts say plans by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to turn over security duties to Iraqis by June 2007 look unlikely to be fulfilled.
When will Iraqi forces be ready to take over security responsibilities?
Experts expect it will take at least three to five years, however previous projections by Pentagon officials did not pan out. For instance, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., who oversees U.S. forces in Iraq, told reporters in September 2005 “we have built enough Iraqi capacity where we can begin talking seriously about transitioning this counterinsurgency mission to them.”
But more than a year later, the Washington Post reports that of the Iraqi army’s 134,000 men, only about ten battalions are effective—well under ten thousand men. Cordesman expects major U.S. military aid and advisory programs will be in place in Iraq probably until 2015.
www.cfr.org/publication/12243/
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:49 AM
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They lie. Shamelesssly. Repeatedly.
The media is too cowed and parasitized to ask such questions. They are too busy getting their daily talking points from the RNC, too afraid of losing their jobs.
The Bushies have said they create their own reality (like Hitler). At this point, I'm not sure I disagree with them.
Sure, a few of us (relative to the population of Imperial Amerikan Subjects >1%) can see through their bullshit, but the principles of psychology and advertising tell us that is a negligible fraction, especially if it can be kept from getting it's message out.
Game. Set. Match.
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Wed Mar-19-08 11:56 AM
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10. Oh that one's so 2007. |
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Stand up/stand down has taken its place in the graveyard of lies to promote endless war in Iraq. Let's see, there was:
Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Iraq has ties to al Qaeda. Iraq has WMDs and they're gonna give them to al Qaeda. Iraq has "manned and unmanned aerial vehicles" that they'll use to rain WMDs on the USA. Mission Accomplished. Get rid of Saddam - we did but we're still there. We've turned the corner - how many times have you heard that one. Freedom for Iraqis - they voted but we're still there. We'll stand down when they stand up - never had any intention to stand down.
And now it's: 'We won - again - but we haven't, like, totally won or something. So we have to stay there so we don't throw all this victory away.'
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