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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:52 AM
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Russian blood libel: Jews use children's blood for matzot
Hundreds of anti-Semitic pamphlets distributed in Novosibirsk, Russia, warning residents of supposed Jewish practice of kidnapping children to use their blood for Passover matza

Yael Branovsky Published: 03.19.08, 20:34 / Israel Jewish Scene

Hundred of anti-Semitic announcements warning Russian parents to beware of the supposed Jewish practice of using children's blood to prepare Passover matza were put up around the city of Novosibirsk, Russia in southwest Siberia on Wednesday.

"Beware Russian parents. Keep watch over your children before the coming of April 2008, the Jewish holiday of Passover. These disgusting people still engage in ritual practice to their gods. They kidnap small children and remove some of their blood and use it to prepare their holy food (matza). They throw the bodies (of the children) out in garbage dumps," the announcements read.

"Esther", a resident of Novosibirsk, told Ynet: "I saw the announcement, however I won't be afraid of going to synagogue during Passover. In my house, we will have matzot.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:08 AM
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1. Good grief. The Protocols of the Elders of Frigging Zion, rewritten for a Russkie audience!
Incredible.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:18 AM
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4. Sadly, it is not as uncommon as some might like to think.
I have seen more versions of the "Protocols" in recent articles than I have in the past. The time has come again to openly hate the Jews.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:50 AM
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7. It's unbelievable. This bullshit has been floating around for far too long.
Jeez, how long before some bastard gets hold of that shitty Egyptian "soap opera" and does a translation into Russian? Talk about a chicken coming home to roost--that idiotic tome ORIGINATED in Russia, IIRC...

Ya know, I just GOOGLED The Protocols, and discovered, to my horror, that fucking AMAZON is SELLING the book. And a few other incredibly racist tracts, too.

What the fuck is this country coming to?

http://www.amazon.com/Protocols-Elders-Zion-Nilus/dp/1599869446
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:20 AM
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12. "The Protocols" is a number one bestseller in various places.
It is very sad so many think this to be true, including so called "progressives" who use variations of themes from The Protocols. After the events of 9-11, some "theories" were pulled directly from The Protocols. It is the conspiracy theory that will not die.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:27 AM
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14. I remember the frigging Egyptian soap opera. It was done with the production values of The Passion
Of The Christ. Jazzy costumes, artful lighting, and pure vicious hatred. Top show in the region, too.

What's this world coming to?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:00 AM
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18. You mean this?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:28 AM
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22. AAAGH....that's IT!!!! The cheezy dramatic music takes the cake!!
And that's the "best" (most demonstrative of the genre) clip too, where they slit little Yusef's throat to make the matzoh! Aaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was the Celebratory Must-See Tee Vee after a long hard Ramadan fast!!!

Can you imagine being an actor in that thing?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:39 AM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:26 AM
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13. There's nothing wrong with selling any book
I living in a country where I can buy any book I want.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:47 AM
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16. I can't believe there's a fucking MARKET for it. NT
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:55 AM
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17. Why?
You don't think plenty of people read that book to study racism, anti-semitism, propaganda? Why believe that everyone who buys it believes its contents?

My local bookstore sells Mein Kampf - I own a copy. It doesn't mean I subscribe to the ideas in it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:21 AM
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20. I dunno--twenty four bucks? I'd go to the library if I needed to look at the thing.
I don't think that EVERYONE who buys it believes it, but I think an uncomfortable number actually do. It's just...unfortunate.

I don't advocate censorship, to clarify my position. I just find it sad that the book isn't out of print because no one wants to read that shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:33 AM
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:09 AM
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37. Rewritten? That's where they came from in the first place
The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu," published by the non­Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues," which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison for his pamphlet.

Joly's "Dialogues," while intended as a political satire, soon fell into the hands of a German anti-Semite named Hermann Goedsche writing under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849. Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz," which appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel," he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past hundred years and to make plans for the next century.

Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech" appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of 1893­1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." The manuscript of the Protocols was brought to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897.

The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's defeat in the Russo­Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the same year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution of the Duma. In the wake of these events, the reactionary "Union of the Russian Nation" or Black Hundreds organization sought to incite popular feeling against the Jews, who they blamed for the Revolution and the Constitution. To this end they used the Protocols, which was first published in a public edition by the mystic priest Sergius Nilus in 1905. The Protocols were part of a propaganda campaign that accompanied the pogroms of 1905 inspired by the Okhrana. A variant text of the Protocols was published by George Butmi in 1906 and again in 1907. The edition of 1906 was found among the Czar's collection, even though he had already recognized the work as a forgery. In his later editions, Nilus claimed that the Protocols had been read secretly at the First Zionist Congress at Basle in 1897, while Butmi, in his edition, wrote that they had no connection with the new Zionist movement, but, rather, were part of the Masonic conspiracy.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/protocols.html
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:11 AM
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2. who's doing it?
lies and propaganda everywhere.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:17 AM
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3. I don't know that has been discovered as of yet.
However, Novosibirsk has had a slew of problems in the recent past, including having a recent governor candidate who blamed the JEws for Russian hardships, as well as an attack on a Jewish couple.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:23 AM
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5. For fuck's sake, is this never going to die?
Are we going to be hearing the "bloody matzoh" story for another 5 centuries?

ANYONE can come into a Jewish house on Passover. The public--especially those without families or friends close by--is all but invited by the dictates of the Halachah. We have NOTHING to hide from the world.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:28 AM
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6. Not until we are all dead...
...and even then, I doubt it would die.

Bigotry is a beast that is hard to kill.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:42 AM
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:01 AM
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8. Thanks SO MUCH
for posting this. We couldn't live without it.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:09 AM
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10. You're SO WELCOME.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 05:03 AM by Behind the Aegis
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:42 AM
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26. Maybe if you close your eyes
and wish really hard, it'll go away.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:01 AM
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9. I read the amazon.com commentary about why they sell it.
They say it's free speech. I don't get it.They are a book store and have the choice of which books to put in their store. To me that's not free speech. It's greed. They want to make money of this crap and are coming up with excuses.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:13 AM
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11. I'd agree with their choice.
They have a choice to sell what they choose, but I wouldn't want them deciding what books I could or couldn't purchase based on their idea what they think is or isn't acceptable. I understand what you are saying though.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:34 AM
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15. ...checks ingredients on 5-pack of matzo....gets reading glasses...nope, no Russian kids...
For the love of God, will this vicious lie never die?

Hekate

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:02 AM
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19. This is how it is made...apparently...
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:27 AM
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21. Anti-semitism dies hard in many places
Anyone who believes this tripe is an idiot and a danger.
They're a danger because if they believe it,it probably means they'd act upon their fears
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:00 AM
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23. STILL?
This slander began in the Middle Ages! :grr:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:07 AM
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24. Wow
I knew there was a big problem with antisemitism in parts of Russia; but this is really extreme!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:58 PM
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43. And this tidbit may really add fuel to the fire...
They also link a recent spate of child disappearances and murders to Jewish ritual sacrifices.


The blood libel claims that Jews use the blood of gentiles - particularly gentile children - to make ritual unleavened bread for Passover. It has been around for centuries, prevalent primarily in Europe where it was used to stir up violence and harsh reprisals against the Jewish community.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966611.html
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:13 AM
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25. Sounds like it may be time to reawaken the Golem...
...he didn't put up with that shit.


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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:45 AM
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27. Wow. That's straight out of the Hitler playbook.
:scared:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:43 AM
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36. No, that's straight out of the Tsarist playbook


He'd be proud.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:50 AM
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28. It's Like The Clock Never Changes In Russia
My grandmother who immigrated from Russian occupied Poland 100 years ago used to say that anti-semetism was in the Russian and Poles "their mothers milk". This sounds like another one of these old "saws" that began as some whipser campaign by a local politician for advantage...the Russian equivelent of playing the race card.

At least most Jews in Russia can celebrate Passover. I remember as a kid giving money to sneak Matzoh into the Soviet Union and my parents always inviting Russian immigrants to a seder...many had never been to one before.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:15 AM
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29. Why not just skip the Russian children and buy a bottle of vodka instead, less of a hassle...
...because, you know, all Russians are fucking SLOSHED out of their gourds 24/7 with a BAC of 2.3 on average, even the children. ;)

You know, if you're going to make anti-Semitic or racist remarks and pamphlets, you should at least TRY to make sure your smears make some kind of sense. I mean really, matzah has just two fucking ingredients and it goes without saying that blood is not one of them. Wine, eggs, and fruit juice as third ingredients are also rejected by the more orthodox of the Jews. If these morons were thinking about what they were doing, they could have said that the flour was made from the CRUSHED BONES of small children and the water comes from their mothers' tears. Then at least they wouldn't look completely retarded in not knowing that there's only TWO INGREDIENTS in matzah. I mean come on, there isn't a whole lot of room there for culinary improvisation and embellishment...

Fuck, bigots these days aren't even TRYING anymore to be creative in their smears. How boring and sad. :thumbsdown:
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:55 AM
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30. Oh, for fuck's sake.
Honestly, it's the 21st fucking century. These backwards smears about the Jews have been long since debunked. The microcephalic idiots who keep spouting their hate should be ashamed.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:36 AM
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32. Isn't this in the wrong forum?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:28 PM
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40. No. It is a "general discussion" non-political topic. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:40 PM
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42. .
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM by seemslikeadream
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 AM
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34. Nice to see we can still count on some things never to change
:eyes:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:10 AM
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38. Do they bleach the blood first?
Matzoh is white. I could perhaps believe ground up bones, but blood? Have these people never had Matzah Ball Soup? I grew up a non-practicing Jew, but we had Passover dinners from time to time and a few times at my UU Church. I'm amazed that people are still trying to attribute anything malicious to it.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:12 AM
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39. Unbelievable. What a horrific thing to say about people!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:29 PM
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41. Welcome back to the 18th Century
It is hard to believe that such libels still exist.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:15 PM
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44. Good God. It's always shocking to me to see that that stuff
is still around and still being done and said. Very frightening.
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