Fuck-you Pat Buchanan! You disgraceful bigot! ***warning--graphic pics*** ...yeah, slavery worked

[Blue_Roses]

so well didn't it? What, Pat? What's that I hear? Pat,are you there? What? Did these pictures scare your bigoted, racist, disgraceful homophobic self? Your kind of "comments" are no longer "needed" or wanted. Go the fuck away.

My outrage is in response to this article he wrote:

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

"What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”

--snip--

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American."

OH, like this Pat?



or maybe this guy should get down on his knees Pat:



or like her Pat:



www.withoutsanctuary.org

Pat there is nothing you can say to justify this. NOTHING.


Pat should NEVER be given airtime again. Write MSNBC.

[DaDooRonRon]

1. One of the few worthwhile things to come out of the Obama/Wright flap

is that the bigots are clearly out in the open now.

From Buchanan to Hannity to every pig who screams the code words "reverse racism" or "if a white person said this" their intentions and beliefs are out front for all to see.

Whether anything gets done about it is quite another story, for despite the protests of some here we live in a cesspool of bigotry, and that cesspool resides on both sides of the aisle.

[Blue_Roses]

2. remind them of when it FIRST started...

not just when THEY want to remember.

[patrice]

4. Would you tell me more about that please?

and thanks.

[Blue_Roses]

43. I would be glad to

what is it you would like for me clarify?

[DaDooRonRon]

34. They don't CARE when it started

Americans have attention spans of gnats, and they can not be bothered by old news.

"Don't get caught up in the past - look at how good 'they' have it now." C'mon, you can hear them now, can't you? Bringing up how "their" ancestors were mocked, but yet managed to start a new life for themselves.

If you don't believe it, read some of the thoughts by the "progressives" who post here.

It's like the fucking fairy godmother - if we SAY we're not bigots then POOF!, we're not!

Wright is right, and it's the discomfort factor that puts so many people off.

It's a bitch to have to look inward and not like what you see, so let's kill the messenger.

[mcg]

68. Pointing out racism is not racist, bigots just don't like being called out

on their bigotry. Wright, the messenger who isn't running for president, is pointing out that racism is still going on in America. The response to Katrina and republicans' ties to the CCC (e.g. ex-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott) are just two examples. He's really saying God damn these sins, and they are just nit-picking about his choice of words.

[populistdriven]

36. Is DU any less insensitive? The following was posted by a Hillary supporter to bash Wright & Obama:

there was no outcry, the post wasn't removed, no one even complained because we have seen much worse from her own campaign and the media promotes it.

[madmom]

78. When and where was this posted? I did not see it, and I am VERY offended..

being a Hillary supporter I find this appalling and just because someone says they are a supporter doesn't necessarily been they are...remember divided we fall! I'm not defending anyone here I'm just saying no every thing is as it seems.

[patrice]

3. Absolutely (and that IS a word I refrain from using) one of the MOST formative pieces of information

about "Us".

I will write.

[Me.]

5. Express Your Outrage

[e-mail]

[patrice]

18. Thanks!

:hi:

Done:

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

In this article Patrick Buchanan says Jeremiah Wright and, by extension, anyone else who speaks out about America’s problems, should be quiet and just thank God for being American. He tries to make the case that Blacks are solely responsible for their own problems and that America has done them more good than harm. I think these points prove that Pat Buchanan is a voice for Racism in America. He tries to blame “others” for Racism without identifying the blame inherent in the whole system, a blame that is partly his own. A metaphor for what Buchanan tries to do with this article is: I claim the right to play whatever loud music, with my windows open, at any and all hours of the day and night, at the highest decibels I can and then blame you when you get angry and threaten me.

Buchanan’s clear objective is to encourage Racists and to tell them that they are justified in their opinions of Blacks. If your viewers think Jeremiah Wright should not be allowed to say “God damn America”, if this minister is to be excluded for his imperfections, then by the same principle Racists should not be allowed on your shows. I am one viewer who will change channels if I ever happen to see Buchanan on my tv again.

[FloridaJudy]

52. Done.

Viewer outrage deprived Imus of a paid forum for racial bigotry. This is much, much worse in my opinion.

Let's send this scumbag a pink slip as well.

[immoderate]

81. Remember Jimmy the Greek.

He was canned for much milder, bigoted comments.

--IMM

[lonestarnot]

6. Never! Be! Given! Airtime! Again!

[Buzz Clik]

7. Your outraged is well placed. However, I guarantee that McCain's words resonate with knuckledraggers

[Orrex]

8. Someone should tell "black folks" how good they've got it

Back in 2000 I remember having lunch with someone who opined that Buchanan was his candidate of choice.

"Then you can forget about ever having black or gay friends," I told him.

"And that means what to me?" he asked.


Brings out the best in people, that Pat Buchanan.

[aquart]

13. Which actually has nothing to do with what he said, does it?

Nor does it explain the voluntary immigration of African and Caribbean blacks to America which we are seeing now. So show all the lynching pictures you want. They don't tell the truth, either.

You REALLY think living in Africa is such a picnic? Because it's so FREE and so their CHOICE? (Like people have a choice about where they're born.) Why don't you go, country by country, and check it out. And be sure to say Hi! to the kids who had their arms cut off. And maybe drop off a few meds for an AIDS clinic. If you ask nicely, I'm sure someone will invite you to a female circumcision or loan you the use of a slave while you're there.

I really despise mindless, thoughtless, kneejerk reactions.

[defendandprotect]

30. Right, we've looted Africa -- and Haiti --- and now let's blame them --- !!!

Even the AIDS virus in Africa is suspect of having been caused by the polio vaccine we introduced there . . .

WE are the the bringers of genocide --- to the native American, to the Iraqis . . .
and how much more of the world before we are stopped?

[Blue_Roses]

44. How old are you?

because I'm guessing with comments like this:

"Nor does it explain the voluntary immigration of African and Caribbean blacks to America which we are seeing now. So show all the lynching pictures you want. They don't tell the truth, either."

You missed the point--either deliberately or from the lack of knowledge in history.

[texasleo]

46. I've never met an African-American who would rather have been born in Africa

Not that they had a choice, obviously.
Let's not pretend that time has stood still for decades.
The sins of the past have been paid for by the sinners. This group guilt that afflicts the far left really has no place in modern society.
I wonder if they hold the very Africans who sold their brethren into bondage to the same accountability. Probably, they do not.

[davekriss]

49. Uh

A few hundred years of violent colonialism and imperialism have taken their toll, hasn't it?

[reggie the dog]

61. People from Africa

generally prefer Europe. They know that people receive better social services in western Europe so they come here to the west of Europe for a better life. Many people from Nigeria come to France and not England even though most Nigerians are english speakers.

[shraby]

9. I wrote them a few days ago about Pat

Buchanan. It's inexcusable that they give him air time to spout his bigotry.

[OregonBlue]

10. AGREED. Write to MSNBC. Get this knuckle dragger off the air!!

[Rex_Goodheart]

11. What's interesting in your lead post

Is that none of those people hanged in your posted pictures are Jeremiah Wright.

NOWHERE does Pat Buchanan make excuses for lynching, or even for slavery for that matter.

[noiretextatique]

14. no need to excuse slavery...it was good for black people

so were black codes, lynchings, segregation, etc. black people never had it so good, thanks to the munificence of white americans, according to pat buchannan. thanks, white americans!! thanks for slavery and segregation and racism, and thanks for the your kindness with food stamps and section 8 and affirmative action. you guys are the best :hi:

[Rex_Goodheart]

16. That's not what Buchanan said.

[Zuiderelle]

20. It's very clear that he DID say just that:

"First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American."

He's clearly saying that black Americans should thank God that they were brought over from Africa as slaves.

Why are you defending this bigot anyway?

[defendandprotect]

31. Are you reading the same article we're reading . . . ??? Cause it's what he said!

[krispos42]

66. White people had a choice...

They could let Africans immigrate here, give them full citizenship in the United States, and the American colonies before that. They could have paid fair wages, had black people working, living, and schooling alongside white people. They could have gone to the same churchs, intermarried, and been generally happy.

Instead they were brought here in chains and bought and sold like sacks of grain or barrels of molasses. They were worked like oxen or mules by overseers with whips and guns. For 300 years.

That's a hell of a long time.



And Buchanan says they should be grateful their ancestors were brought here as slaves, as property.



It's funny... I was thumbing through a book in the bookstore a year or so ago, I think it was called "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy", written by some conservative author. And I read a couple of paragraphs about how poor people should really be happy because there is not a lot of fundamental difference between being rich and poor anymore. The example that the author gave (the one that I remember) is that the poor person's 15-year-old Honda Civic or Ford Escort can take the poor people just as fast and just as far to just as many places at the rich person's brand-new Mercedes or Lexus. That even the poor have things like central heat and telephones and television and cars. And I thought "Well, then, Mr. Big-Shot Conservative Author, why do the rich people CONTINUE TO SPEND THEIR LIVES AMASSING WEALTH IF IT DOESN'T MATTER? Why aren't THEY happy with what THEY have and retire to enjoy the fruits of their labors?"

So, Mr. Buchanan, how about the WHITE people acknowledge just how great they have it, and have been having it for centuries, and give it up a little?

[JerseygirlCT]

64. Don't forget - white folks are responsible for saving African Americans

by bringing them Christianity. So kudos and gratitude ought to be forthcoming in the next life, too, according to Buchanan.

(Though I'm a Christian myself, that part just stunned me).

[Wednesdays]

69. "White Man's Burden"

Yeah, look at all the great things white people did for blacks, and this is their gratitude. Sheesh. The least black people could do was allow themselves to be lynched now and then.

:sarcasm:

[JerseygirlCT]

73. Hard to believe that people can say that stuff in this day

and ... nothing.

Is the news this morning all about the hate speech of Pat Buchanan? Not a peep so far.

But an angry black minister speaks and it's the top of the news for more than a week.

[elizfeelinggreat]

77. Is the news this morning all about the hate speech of Pat Buchanan?

Thank you for this... it bears repeating:

"Is the news this morning all about the hate speech of Pat Buchanan?"

WHY NOT?

[JerseygirlCT]

80. Did you happen to see either him or his evil sister

lately, both of them practically spitting as they talked about the "hate speech" of Wright, and as if Obama is responsible for every word out of Wright's mouth?

Both were amazing performances, I must say. Righteous indignation, horror at the thought of hate speech... all I could think was: do you happen to remember a certain GOP convention, Pat? And how long have *you* sat in the pews listening to sermons preaching against gays, Bay?

They're awful, truly. It sickens me.

[Popol Vuh]

71. Christian Salvation?

:wtf:


You have got to be kidding me. Is this anything like the christian salvation inflicted upon my indigenous ancestors and the countless millions throughout the world in history?

[JerseygirlCT]

74. Did I need the sarcasm sign there? nt

[Popol Vuh]

75. Sorry

I guess I did mis interrupt your post. My mistake..

[JerseygirlCT]

76. No problem. nt

[Zuiderelle]

19. You are defending Buchanan?!? He DID say that blacks should be grateful to have been slaves.

Did you actually read even the OP?

[Rex_Goodheart]

48. No, Buchanan did NOT say that

He said that Wright should thank God he's an American.

He couldn't have said that blacks should be grateful to have been slaves because none of them were.

[Usrename]

24. What's interesting in your post is that you defend Pat Buchanan.

I guess you think those folks pictured in the OP are lucky to be hanged in the USA.

They should be thankful for the freedom to be lynched here, in the bosom of democracy, right?

[treestar]

50. Well if slavery was good for AA people, then certainly

lynching and Jim Crow laws were even better! :sarcasm:

[HuffleClaw]

51. i concur

and as much as i dislike pat buchanan, who has said plenty of horrible things, this particular commentary is less offensive than many others i've heard him spout.

[L0oniX]

12. Email sent.

To whom it may concern. Please remove Pat Buchanan from your network which I watch everyday. I won't be watching any show with him in it because he, in my opinion is a bigot. Another point I would like to make is that no one has a right to tell others to "shut up" as Pat Buchanan has done on your network. Thank you for your concern in this matter.

[juajen]

15. What happens to freedom of speech, when you do not agree

with the speaker?

"Well, uh, uh, I guess you just suspend it for a while, duh.

:sarcasm:

[Yael]

21. I wrote them as well. Suggested that they dig up a new token conservative

who was at least not an open racist.

I have no problem with him airing his views -- let him bloviate until his heart is content. I am expressing displeasure on who is choosing to spotlight his remarks. Let him slink back to his obscure corner of the interwebs like David Duke and company have done.

[L0oniX]

22. Welcome to my ignore dungeon.

[sunnystarr]

32. Since the MSM has been pushing guilt by association

to BO then we can only assume that MSNBC producers must agree with Pat Buchanan's racist views. Pat can't have it both ways. He's climaxing and salivating almost every day on their programs as he insists that BO must agree with Wright ... 20 years he shouts ... the man who married him .... baptized his children ... he yells. BO should have denounced him and left the church he insists. He never said a word to Wright he proclaims.

By Buchanan's own logic, we should just continue to have slavery today. We could enslave Mexicans, Guatemalans, Indonesians, Indians, Chinese, and get people from any third world country and give them the "black" experience that has benefitted African Americans throughout American history. And of course they'll be thankful to have been saved from the fate of poverty in their native lands. We could even give them a 3/5th whole person status. Oh and as an aside here to confirm that African Americans were only viewed as property, like your horse, or dog ...

The first is in the Enumeration Clause, where representatives are apportioned. Each state is given a number of representatives based on its population - in that population, slaves, called "other persons," are counted as three-fifths of a whole person. This compromise was hard-fought, with Northerners wishing that slaves, legally property, but uncounted, much as mules and horses are uncounted. Southerners, however, well aware of the high proportion of slaves to the total population in their states, wanted them counted as whole persons despite their legal status. The three-fifths number was a ratio used by the Congress in contemporary legislation and was agreed upon with little debate.

Yep they should be kissing our feet for bringing them here and not leaving them in Africa. They're so ... oh as Ferraro pointed out ... LUCKY!

I don't want to hear that "freedom of speech" shit either. Ask Imus and Maher how that worked for them. When a station makes the decision to have that man on just about every show they air then we can only assume that they give his views credibility.

btw ... in case you're wondering ... I'm a white immigrant from Germany

In the meantime I can make my decision to hit my remote whenever his face is on the screen.

[malaise]

55. The entire uproar over Rev Wright is based on one premise

The real racists, Buchanan et al, seriously believe minorities should be grateful, abandon their own cultural spaces and accept the establishment interpretations of reality even when it is diametrically opposed to reality.

If anyone at GEM$NBC believed in free speech, Rev Wright would not have been given five minutes of air space. Sadly they believe in Pat Buchanan's type of free speech - backward, bigoted, 1920s stereotypes ad nauseum. You can preach any type of hate against minorities but minorities must never respond...just be grateful for the American nightmare.

[FloridaJudy]

53. He's free to spout any hogwash he wants.

And I'm free to tell his employers that I find his opinions which they pay him for offensive. It's not a first amendment issue at all.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. You are actually defending Buchanan?

:wow:

[WhollyHeretic]

65. How does that infringe on his first amendment rights?

:eyes:

[Yael]

17. The mind reels that someone could even have those thoughts

What would it take for MSNBC to boot him? Schuster was sent packing for 2 weeks for making an inflammatory (yet accurate) statement about Clinton campaign tactics -- yet Sir Pat remains on the air while openly embrasing something this heinous?

[Blue_Roses]

41. exactly...Shuster was sent packing for 2 weeks for a sexist

"slur" so why keep Pat?

[Lobster Martini]

23. "Where is the gratitude?" What? Never take hallucinogens before posting, Pat...

(LM: edited for length...the fewer words from this dope-addicted fiend, the better.)

"Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens...Where is the gratitude?"

(LM: For legal reasons, I must add the the words "dope-addicted fiend" were uncalled for. I would suggest that his physician consider adjusting the dosage. There appears to be some difficulty recognizing reality.)

[reggie the dog]

62. the gratitude

is probably given by nearly every person eating the soup, Pat.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. I wonder if Pat would say the same thing about the Irish Potato Famine?

It drove the poor Irish out of Ireland to America where their descendants became successful businessmen, politicians, and oafish political commentators. It was just unfortunate for the million+ that died of starvation and disease.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. eMail Sent. I am so frigging angy here. When will all this bullshit stop????

I pasted the article.

[farmbo]

27. "..600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships..." Sorry Pat, half true.

Roughly 1.2 million blacks were hunted down by slavers and herded into the holds of slave ships... but only 600,000 made it to our shores...alive.

Where's the gratitude?

:grr:

[immoderate]

82. It's for "balance..."

Whenever you have a progressive liberal on, you have to balance him/her with a racist bigot. (Need I add :sarcasm:?)

--IMM

[OwnedByFerrets]

28. FU Pat...and the racist boat you rode in on...nt

[Usrename]

29. Pat makes many not so astute observations here...

he thinks the poor rob the rich more frequently than the rich rob the poor...

while that may have been true sometime in the past..

[defendandprotect]

33. Is a sexist, racist, homophobic Pat Buchanan some surprise to people here????

This has been going on since at least the days of Pat Buchanan on CROSSFIRE on CNN, sponsored by

GENERAL ELECTRIC -- a corporation more right-wing than the John Birch Society ---

I've been writing since then --

and will mail something more today ---

[fortyfeetunder]

35. Don't write just MSNBC - write to their sponsors!

Ask them if THEY support endorsing those comments through their sponsorship and let them know you can decide not to purchase their products...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

37. Oh, I disagree...

Pat should be given LOTS of airtime. And he should be providing voice-overs with a picture of McCain on the screen while he spouts his bigoted, hate-filled nonsense.

No siree, the more Pat talks, the more decent human beings decide to vote Democratic.

[Hutzpa]

83. Wrong analysis

Pat should be given the Imus treatment, what Pat is saying is much worse than what Imus said
he should be given his marching orders now......not today but yesterday.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

84. I don't know...

Remember the 1992 Democratic Convention, when they gave Pat a live microphone in primetime? A lot of people think that may have knee-capped the Bush Campaign.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

38. Pat you lightweight whining demigoof

The same old lie.

Blacks have never had it so good?

Always, wee Patrick, ALWAYS remember this:

As good as it may ever get for blacks in America, whites have never had it that bad.

[Sabriel]

39. And the Cherokee should be eternally grateful the US government moved them.

Georgia was too hot and humid, and now they're nice and comfy in Oklahoma.

At least the 4,000 out of the 15,000 who survived should be grateful....

[Zuiderelle]

40. There are people who actually do think Native Americans should be grateful.

Yeah... they should be grateful we decimated them, took their land and destroyed their culture. After all, we let a few of them sell tax free cigarettes and run casinos now. What more could you want?

[mzmolly]

42. Unbelievable,

yet some people agree with this fool.

[LeftishBrit]

45. What a vile creature..

I've hated him ever since he wrote an article defending LePen, and my opinion of him grows worse and worse every time I learn anything new about him. Disgusting racist bigot.

At least this may remind us all: just because someone opposes this war, doesn't always mean he's a good guy or a suitable ally for the left.

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. Un-frickin-believable!!

[Faygo Kid]

54. They're all doing it - Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, the whole lot: Blacks should be grateful

All the right wing talking heads are at their most vile right now, and are all reading from the same page: Deny any validity to the points Obama made, and make the message that blacks hate white people when they should be grateful to them.

No surprise, but really ugly. You can check out any of their web sites or columns: Any talk of the true history of this country, other than to say how perfect it is, is forbidden.

And they won't let it go. It's clearly a conspiracy, but it's the same thing the yahoo corner has done for years. I think people are seeing through it this time.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Well when you ignore a freaking bigot for years on end

eventually he goes after you. I wonder, out of curiosity, if any of the outraged here, including the OP, ever sent a letter about Pat in the past, or spoke against some of his other big hits:

"Homosexual groups are attempting to mainstream Satanism. Our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide."
1990. That is 18 years ago.


"To discriminate is to choose. ... And prejudice simply means prejudgment. Not all prejudgments are rooted in ignorance; most are rooted in the inherited wisdom of the race. A visceral recoil from homosexuality is the natural reaction of a healthy society wishing to preserve itself."

Or maybe this one, Pat on the 1950's, from 1988:
"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."

So at least and at last, Buchanan has said something that upset people. 20 years of slurs and insults were not enough I guess?

[Blue_Roses]

59. yes, Pat has stirred these emotions before

and while responding by way of the internet twenty years ago---oh, wait...there was no internet to respond through 20 years ago.

With that said though, I know he is one of many. I realize twenty years ago fear and ignorance prevented many from speaking out. Internet access allows this to be taken care of much quicker before the ink has time to dry. That's when it should be addressed.

Also, I disagree here:
"Not all prejudgments are rooted in ignorance; most are rooted in the inherited wisdom of the race." While I can disagree with you on so many levels with this statement, I'll just sum it up to one for now. Ignorance IS at the root of racism.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Perhaps a closer attention to the words

First of all the quote you say you diagree with ME on, that is not me, that is Pat Buchanan. I was holding his quote up for ridicule. Ignorance is the root of all bigotry. Not just racism. But you disagree with Pat, not me. Did you read the quote?

The other thing is this: a 'letter' does not mean an email. No internet back then did not mean no letters. It also did not mean no telephone. Sure sanpping off an email is easy, and trust me, those who read them consider that when giving weight to a message, so a real time letter is still better. And I personally remember conservative groups protesting and boycotting media content effectively long before the internet. Maybe they are more committed?

Speaking out against ignorance is not as time sensitive as you imply and in fact the time it should be addressed is always, constantly and in all possible forms.

[Blue_Roses]

79. thank-you for the clarity

on the misplace quote. Reading your OP again, I see the "Pat says" now. I apologize for that.

"Speaking out against ignorance is not as time sensitive as you imply and in fact the time it should be addressed is always, constantly and in all possible forms."

This is a given. No where in my post do I say otherwise. Implication is also a given.

[JAbuchan08]

58. Yeah they should be grateful

we fucked Africa over even worse :sarcasm: :eyes: :grr: (sorry I couldn't get it all in with one smiley)

[fascisthunter]

60. That Wasn't That Long Ago (nt)

[JerseygirlCT]

63. Unbelievable. Or rather, all too believable.

How thoroughly disgusting.

How do we make sure MSNBC, which regularly uses him as a commentator, is appropriately apprised of this piece of racist sludge?

[kevinbgoode]

67. I'll tell ya what, Pat Buchanan.....let's just pass some laws to restrict the lives of white

Republican males for, say, about 100 years. . .move them to locations where they can work at the level they are REALLY qualified for (perhaps some produce fields in the Southwest) and then tell them we were "saving them" from a fate of unemployment as their own actions destroyed the American economy.

[formercia]

70. The voice of the Knights of Malta

Kneel, you worthless serf.

[Ordr]

85. Holy out-of-context, Batman...

[Blue_Roses]

86. after reading a number of your posts...

I would say: predictable coming from you.:eyes:

[Ordr]

87. *hugs*