I am so scared that McCain will win a landslide.

[Smith_3]

Anyone feel the same way? I really fear it. That old white male jingoism kicking in again and overruling everything else. Will it ever change in this country?

[rainy]

1. If he wins there is no hope left. Ignorance wins. nt

[DJ13]

2. Anyone feel the same way?

No, its not even going to be close.

[Captain Angry]

3. Let's at least make them do it.

If they are able to get over 25% of the population to show up and vote that way, and we can't get our 25% to show up, they win.

It sucks, but that's the process.

In 2004, didn't only 55% of the eligible voters show up? Maybe if we could put 60-65% of them in the doors, it wouldn't be so scary.

[seabeyond]

4. so silly to be scared before it has even started. lots and lots

to happen and do before anyone has a clue of what may be

[malaise]

5. McSameasBush is going to lose big time

and so will all Rethugs running for office.

[2Design]

6. he wants 100 years of war - and rw wants anything but liberals - so

anything could happen - at least the repubics would get blamed for the mess georgie left - but who know mcSouless would probably bring cheney and rummy back to do more damage - hire brownie for some f2@#$@#$k up thing

[TriMetFan]

7. Agree up to a point....

McCain is going to win (not by a landslide) only because our Democratic Party is falling apart.

[LoveHC]

11. I

agree

[elocs]

8. I am afraid of McCain winning, but probably not in a landslide.

Democrats had better start changing their attitudes because evidently many believe that it is more important to win the nomination than it is to win the general election. We are in danger again of at least 4 more years of a Republican president setting the agenda, starting new wars, nominating justices to the Supreme Court and selling out this country with a Democratic congress that cannot override a presidential veto (say goodbye to any kind of healthcare reform).

The next president will either be a Democrat or McCain and there are too many Democrats who are willing to pout if their choice of candidate does not win. The ultimate reality is pretty clear. If McCain wins, then Democrats who did not support the candidate of their party will have blood on their hands no matter how they may try to rationalize their decision.

[bbinacan]

9. Right now I agree

with you. But keep in mind, there's a lot of time left.

[bluestateguy]

10. With this economy?

Incumbent parties don't get re-elected in a recession. That said, nothing should be taken for granted.

[totodeinhere]

22. Yes, the bad economy automatically makes either Dem a heavy favorite.

[Auntie Bush]

12. I'm scared too! Damn scared!

I'm scared that Obama is losing the white vote, Indies and angry Rethugs.
Even if Hillary were to win the nomination. Everyone on the internet(s) has destroyed Hillary. We ate our own...along with the help of Corp MSM! Now I'm scared to death we're going to have McCain as president...and 3 more conservative SC judges! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

[fascisthunter]

13. "landslide"? You Alright?

Because he isn't gonna win.

[Mike03]

14. I hear that too, but I can't believe it.

Once people know who and what McCain is, and see him blow his temper in public, which he will once he gets tired, they will never want him in office. He is just a continuation of PNAC.

[elizfeelinggreat]

88. I agree

And I think their distaste for this war will trump even their considerable greed.

[kirby]

15. I'm scared BuchCo will attack Iran

before the election and then feed the electorate the, John McCain, a war hero, is the only candidate that can lead us in this time of war/uncertainty...

[treestar]

16. Stop that right now!

There is no way that old geezer will win!

Bush approval rating = 19%. How can McBush win?

[Timmy5835]

17. You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!

First off the campaign hasn't even started yet so to this point McCain gets a free ride. Once the campaign starts it will be brought out time and time again that McCain will simply be a Bush 3rd term.That's only his MINOR problem you also have to consider due to his advanced age (71 years) and being a melanoma (skin cancer) survivor, can he even survive the riggers of a campaign. The man has already made 2 major gaffes and the campaign hasn't even started. When you take all the wacko sound bites he's made like bomb...bomb Iran and 100 years in Iraq how in Gawd's name can you even think this will be a close election? Prediction, this election will make Clinton vs. Dole look like a close race.

[totodeinhere]

24. I agree with you.

All logic should say that McCain will be trounced, especially considering how bad the economy is. And it will probably be much worse by November.

My only caveat is that a lot of people thought it was inconceivable that Bush would win reelection, but look what happened. Whether or not you believe he stole it or won it legitimately, he's the one sitting in the oval office now, not Kerry.

[HughBeaumont]

30. McClown doesn't have the support or the bottomless corporate dollars behind him like Bewsh did.

More than a few on the Repuke side are merely settling for Cotton Hill McClown. America isn't going to be three times stupid. We're wasting countless tax dollars on two massively unpopular occupations and the economy is a shitsicle. Like it's been said before, I don't think they plan to or even WANT to win this election because of the economy and rising energy prices. They don't want to be anywhere NEAR it. I think they're gonna throw him under the bus to prepare for 2012, which they'll lose because Reagan and the Bewshes shat the Republican party for good with their non-leadership, warmongering and wastefulness.

[fortyfeetunder]

37. Age thing

McCain is known for running around with his 96YO mom, in effect saying, I have the genes to go the distance - look at my ma!

[treestar]

18. Delete duplicate

[nomorenomore08]

19. We NEED to yoke McCain to Bush's failures as president.

The Democrats will be missing out on a golden opportunity if they don't this.

[movonne]

20. Yes I think this country is looking for a hundred year war...and a

hundred trillion dollars...maybe more...

[barbtries]

21. the only way he wins it is if the bushies steal it for him

just think of all the democrats have to bring to the campaign. the current administration has been a monumental fuck up for the entire planet! i just can't see mccain winning. and gawd i hope i'm right.

[GreenPartyVoter]

49. I totally can see them going for the steal again. If McCain wins and the Repubs retake

the Hill, I will only believe that it was rigged.

[SammyWinstonJack]

79. They will.

[BeatleBoot]

23. 1972

All over again.

[leftofcool]

25. Yep

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. Right, and who was McGovern's stellar competition in that primary?

Humphrey? Muskie? George Wallace?

And did you know that a big part of the reason that McGovern lost was that petulant Dem elites took their toys and some of them even supported Nixon?

[UTUSN]

40. Nope, the big part of McGOVERN's loss was his own disconnect from the majority of average people

That's ALWAYS the reason. I voted for him, as I have for every Dem and always will. As I have posted here a half dozen times or so, I wrote the McGOVERN campaign and said that I thoroughly respected and admired him, but that it was clear that he could not beat NIXON and that the most important thing was to beat NIXON and that it would be the height of nobility for McGOVERN to step aside and let the most electable Dem run, whoever that might be.

He answered (or it was signed by him). I wish I had kept the letter. He said thanks but I think I uderstand the issues and have a good chance.

Now, before the attacks of "DLC, freeper, Centrist" begin (or "resume"), may I say that at the core of every Dem of whatever stripe is IDEALISM, whether greater or lesser, just as at the core of every wingnut is GREED. I admire the totally pure and absolute idealists among us, but I know that in our system it's the WINNERS who get to have a legacy. And even the Moderate/Centrist Dems, who are deemed here as near-WINGNUTS, who actually make it to Office, are going to appoint hundreds of policy makers and judges up and down the line who are going to make a cumulative difference in the correct, Dem, Lib direction.

Every young generation has its idealist hero, and it's hard to say to each current crop, "I've seen this before, but I have been through a dozen losing Dem candidates and I want to win, and your fellow or gal is going to lose."


So, no, McGOVERN did not lose because of other Dems. He lost from his own failings. Did you know that I, who was more involved than average, did not know about McGOVERN's distinguished military record until many many years after that campaign. It shows lack of street smarts, like he was trying to hide it from his core constituents of very young, book-learned, anti-military, elitist types. It would have been smart to SHOWCASE his military record, to say he was PRO-military. But NOooooo.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. This is so funny considering that Obama is often considered the most RW of our candidates here. nt

[NoPasaran]

26. No. Fucking. Way.

[Thepricebreaker]

27. He has a good chance of winning - even the polls agree now...

[margotb822]

31. The conspiracy theorist in me

says its preparing us for a stolen election. With the economy this way, Bush's approval numbers, and Democratic primary turnout, there is no way McCain is as popular as "the polls" say.

[barbtries]

60. i agree with you

they're rigging the polls in preparation for rigging the election. every soundbite i see of mccain results in less respect, less belief that he's up to the job. i can't be the only one. and once this infernal primary season is over - i wish it was already over - then, it's ON. i almost feel like getting TV to watch the commercials during the election campaign. even a clunk like me could put together hours and hours worth of talking points to show the people what a bad choice mcbush is. facts. the only thing that scares me is MSM. faux news spent like 2 hours trying to convince the world that obama is anti white people. they get away with this bullshit. people buy that bullshit. incredible.

i suppose when i boil it down i think the democrats have to find a way to beat A. MSM and B. bushies aka corporate fascism. i think it can and will be done.

[DrDan]

28. when Florida goes to the right . . .

place the blame squarely on Howard Dean's shoulders . . . .

His arrogance and inability to lead the party out of this voter disenfranchisement could cost the D's their due

(I know I know - the Florida party is to blame . . . I have heard it spouted loudly and clearly for the past several weeks. . .
but I think there is blame to go around. And when Florida votes to the right, it matters little who was to blame. The fact is, this ridiculous situation with Florida and Michigan should never have gotten this far.)

[FVZA_Colonel]

36. I honestly don't believe that they won't be seated in some fashion,

but you are right, this whole thing has been a bloody mess and it should have ended by now.

[elizfeelinggreat]

87. Howard Dean didn't cause this problem,

You know it wasn't his fault but you insist on blaming him? This only benefits the republicans and they're happy to have you do their work for them. I'm sure you don't mean to do this but I'm really upset that the republicans can change the perception of what the problem truly is (and it's NOT the Democrats).

Howard Dean followed the rules that were agreed upon by Clinton and Obama, by their own hand . How much do you blame them for this mess?

And I disagree that the "Florida party" is to blame - it seems clear to me that the Florida REPUBLICAN party is to blame. The Democrats were put between a rock and a hard place in Florida and it wasn't Dean who put them there, the republicans did.



Let's remember that the republicans also caused problems in Ohio in 2004. That pushed Ohio where in 2006?
Oh, right.

[RedCappedBandit]

29. I don't think he'll win...

but he certainly might. If he does, i'm outta here.

[mnhtnbb]

47. Have you thought where you might go?

[RedCappedBandit]

48. Not yet...

but I am not going to stick around when this country elects the party of fascism yet again. Hopefully I can complete my education elsewhere. Maybe i'm a dreamer.

[mnhtnbb]

65. If you're young, I'd suggest New Zealand or Canada.

Hubby and I are retirement age and we've been setting up retirement options in Panama. Panama
wants retirees and extends some great benefits. Canada and NZ don't want people of retirement age--I guess because of the added cost to health insurance programs.

On edit: the irony of Panama doesn't escape me, since that's where McCain was born. But we started
our exploration of other countries after the second stolen election in 2004, and first bought property
in Panama in 2005.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

32. i doubt he will be the republican candidate

he's going to self destruct before the convention.

[spanone]

33. no

[Thickasabrick]

34. I'm actually more scared of him winning, dying, and Romney taking over

[orleans]

38. are you kidding? who's gonna vote for that crazy asshole??

even republikas can't stand him

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[Canuckistanian]

41. I sincerely hope you're worrying about nothing

I see encouraging signs everywhere- the turnouts for the primaries and caucuses - increased Dem turnout, DECREASED GOP turnout.

The enthusiastic support for Obama among people who've NEVER voted before.

And the general dissatisfaction about Rebublican behavior, both in the WH and Congress.

I CAN'T and I WON'T believe that all that leads to a McLame pResidency.

[undeterred]

42. He looks so fragile to me.

I really expect him to have a major health issue before the election. Campaigning is hellish on a person in their thirties. On someone McCain's age its inadvisable. This will not be easy for him. Heck, it isn't easy on the Clintons or Obamas either. But Barack is young and lean and full of spirit. This will be a great year for him and he will be elected president.

Two years ago I worked for a very hopeful young candidate who really didn't have much of a chance. He lost, but I felt positive and happy and hopeful the whole season.

With Obama there is so much more at stake, and the power and depth of his hopefulness is great. Watch him change America even as the campaign goes on. :thumbsup:

[Aristus]

43. Wait until the debates.

Senator Obama will figuratively kick McCain's old, old, OLD ass, of course; but it will be over before it begins when people see the two candidates side by side:





Obama, young, fit and handsome, doesn't even have to open his mouth to defeat old, tired, not-physically-up-to-a-demanding-job McCain.

It's still a beauty contest, people. No matter how much we dislike the fact. And no matter how presentable Al Gore and John Kerry may be, they were still too easy to slam in the looks department by shallow nip-and-tuck republicans.

[Hersheygirl]

71. BINGO

People, have you been living in AMERICA lately. If not turn on your TV's or look in a magazine. What do they use to sell to the public? It ain't models like McCain.

This country is way, way to vain to elect McCain. Americans like to think of themselves as young, beautiful and hip.

It's not even gonna be close.

[KT2000]

44. The average voter

hears the fight between Obama and Clinton and tunes out. McCain could surely win because people are sick of the battle. Media is of course pushing it but the results benefit McCain.

[mnhtnbb]

45. Hubby had a chat today with his Georgia nephew (who just became a grandfather)

about the election. The nephew is a tried and true Repub and as southern as they come.
He does not believe that Obama has a chance to take any southern states. I fear he's right.

If the Dem candidate cannot take any southern states, there is little chance for a Dem win, IMO.

[Juche]

51. Dems almost never take southern states

If dems can turn texas into a swing state, then it's going to be unbelievably hard for the GOP to come out ahead even w/no dem states in the south.

I am somewhat worried, however I think if we get Obama that that will create a massive grassroots network that will pay dividends for many elections in the future. Obama has a way of building passion that causes tens of thousands to volunteer to help others register to vote, or to fundraise. Even if Obama loses, that network still exists and will still be around to push for reform.

Whats sad is our party is so divided that we need alot of time to repair. Latinos, whites and probably Jews have problems with Obama. Progressives, blacks and alot of others have a problem with Hillary. So with teh party so divided, I don't know what'll happen.

And even if McCain wins in the election, the congress will still be democrat which will hopefully reign in some of his more incompetent and dangerous antics.

As far as the polls, don't they just ask people and not be concered about turnout? If the polls say it is 45% vs 45% for McCain vs. Obama, but Obama has a 30% higher turnout than McCain then McCain loses.

And the dems raised $90 million in February, McCain raised $11 million.

My view is we need to look at politics as a long term process. We have to work on grassroots organizing, voter registration, vote integrity and voter information as much as possible because it'll pay off for years. If Obama can get a massive grassroots movement that will help carry some senators and representatives as there will be a spillover effect.

All in all, I am worried a bit but even if we lose I think the congress will somewhat reign McCain in and that the grassroots organization will still be there, and be more motivated than ever before. But that is if McCain wins.

[Lorien]

56. I'm in a Southern State and repugs down here are pissed with Bush

most either plan to vote for Obama or sit it out. They just see McCain as more of the same.

[mnhtnbb]

67. What state? I'm in NC and I can't see either Obama or Hillary taking it vs McCain.

[Lorien]

77. Florida

Obama and Hillary didn't even run down here, but I've seen more lawn signs for each than I have for McCain.

[mnhtnbb]

82. Yeah, I think FL will go Dem this year.

[mnhtnbb]

68. delete- double post

[barbtries]

63. i'm white and the only problem i have with obama

is that he has not come out strongly enough against the war, advanced a plan to end the occupation, and never talks about accountability for the criminals currently running the country.

"Latinos, whites and probably Jews have problems with Obama."

i vote my conscience, not my skin color, not my religion. i think most intelligent people do the same. this statement is simplistic and absurd. don't buy into the msm program of division by bullshit.

[mnhtnbb]

66. I'm not talking about Dems. I'm talking about southern white Repub males.

[mnhtnbb]

70. I don't think Congress can be counted on to 'rein' in McCain. They haven't done squat

to hold Bushie boy accountable or stop him.

[davidinalameda]

52. how many southern states would Hillary take

maybe one?

and how many northwest and midwest and northeast states would she lose?

more than one that Obama would carry?

[BlooInBloo]

46. With an electorate like the American, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[CANDO]

50. Washington Journal this morning....

I heard at least two Repubs who will be voting for Obama in the fall. I was only tuned in for maybe ten minutes. I NEVER hear them say that about Hillary.

[garry_neal_hazitin]

53. egg-plant

he'll succumb to an egg plant attack first..i believe it's already occuring on his face..
No Country for Crooked Old Men...

[flowomo]

54. he'll be a very dangerous opponent...

It's a mistake to think otherwise.

[Lorien]

55. I'm not at all worried. My neighbor has been with McCain for months

(he's a journalist) and he says that the man is "feeble and confused" most of the time. When he asked McCain about his plans to solve the problems with our economy McCain mumbled "I'm not very good with that stuff, you know, economics...I just leave that to other people". I mean, what the fuck kind of candidate for ANY office says stuff like that???

[Mendocino]

59. I read this quote of his...

"Economics is something I've never really understood". As Bugs Bunny would say "Whatta maroon".

[barbtries]

64. there's a commercial

for the general election. perfect! he's winning the race for the democrats. see what i mean?

[mnhtnbb]

69. Uh, Obama said he couldn't keep track of his papers! He said he's the idea man

and others would be handling the day to day running of the government.

Don't you remember that debate with Hillary (when Edwards was still in it)? I couldn't believe
he said what he did.

[treestar]

73. That's perfect. That's exactly what the President is

No way should a President be bogged down in the details.

Of course others would handle the day to day running. That's the way it works. We don't pay the guy at the top to file papers!

The problem with * isn't that he can't arrange papers, the problem is that his ideas suck.

[Jacobin]

78. Bush is feeble and confused all of the time

The problem is that the media cuts and splices to try to make him look a little less like an idiot and they are doing the same for McSame

[Lorien]

81. True. But repugs were unified behind him to begin with

I know quite a few people who voted for BushCo twice and now what to vote for Obama or HRC. I don't know of any Dems who want to switch sides. Just look at who has been raising the most money, and which party ahs been gaining or losing members.

[Yavin4]

57. All That We Have To Do To Beat McCain Is Scream "Hey, Matlock Is On"

And just watch him scurry towards a TV.

[SoCalDem]

61. calm down..

Right now, he's the invisible man..no one's paying much attention to him..

Once we get a candidate, and the real campaign starts, he will not get the good press he's getting now, and he will have to start answering some tough questions..

The press is holding back on the really nasty stuff.. why waste it now when no one's even watching..

and he's got no money..and his "base" is pretty tenuous at best..

[Perry Logan]

62. You are way too scared of wingers. They are weak and will die.

[mac2]

72. Yes...as long as the media controls the candidates and the

winners. They swore in 2000 they'd stay out of it. Remember those hearings by Congress when the American people were outraged over media coverage of the "selection"?

They lied under oath...Roger Ailes, etc.. He's head of FOX. He's a Murdock creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes

[Echo In Light]

74. It is a legit concern given the cowardice/servitude of the American populace

[OzarkDem]

75. It could happen

unless Dems snap out of it and get behind a quality candidate who can win in the GE.

[leftofthedial]

76. the "democrats" did nothing to reform elections, so

the stage is set for open fraud season

[mnhtnbb]

83. I think that's one of the reasons Turd Blossom removed himself from the WH.

Much easier to do what he does without scrutiny.

[area51]

80. '08 election

IMO, the nazi party has a vested interest in making sure a democrat wins the White House, as it gives them someone to blame for the 2nd Great Depression, which we've been experiencing since 2001. They will also want to ensure via vote tampering that a nazi majority congress is elected to ensure that whatever the demo prez tries to push through to mitigate the bad economy, that the effort will be stopped.

[Echo In Light]

85. They'll 'win' either way

[mwb970]

84. I'm assuming McCain will win. I won't get fooled again.

I thought that bush was such an obvious idiot that the R's would never nominate him. Then I thought that he was such an obvious idiot that he would never get elected. Then I thought that he was such an obvious idiot that he would never get re-elected.

I give up. McCain is an obvious idiot. Therefore you are right: he will win in a landslide.

[Tyler Durden]

86. Don't blame it all on White Males.

A lot of bad blood has been created in the Primary this time. It was bad in 2004, but that is like comparing a cold to the Bird Flu.