12 year old stripper

[RB TexLa]

Dallas club where girl, 12, stripped will keep license

10:39 PM CDT on Wednesday, March 26, 2008

By TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning News
[e-mail]

The mere fact that a 12-year-old girl danced nude at a northwest Dallas strip club isn't enough to close its doors.

That's because the city ordinance that regulates sexually oriented businesses does not allow authorities to revoke the license of such a business for employing someone under the age of 18.

The sixth-grader danced at Diamonds Cabaret over a two-week period late last year, authorities say. They also say they found a 17-year-old girl working in the club in January.

"If they're not shut down, it's like they're giving them permission to have underage girls dancing and working in that club," said the mother of the 12-year-old. The mother is not being named because her daughter, a runaway at the time of the incident, is considered a sexual assault victim.

Operators of the Diamonds Cabaret at 2444 Walnut Ridge Street did not return calls for comment. Their sexually oriented business license expires in November.

Demonica Abron, 27, who worked as a stripper in the club, and David Bell, 22, are facing charges in connection with the 12-year-old girl's dancing in the club. Mr. Bell does not appear to have been employed by the club.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032708dnmetclubs.10bdd5.html

[leftofcool]

1. 12 year old dancer very bad!

She is still a child! What's wrong with these people?

[seabeyond]

2. as another article said.... there is a demand for this. n/t

[Junkdrawer]

3. I don't get it. Anyone who clicked a link promising a picture of that...

would be behind bars for three years and would carry the label of "child molester" for the rest of their lives.

But a club owner can pay someone to do that LIVE and not lose their license? :wtf:

On edit: Here's the FBI 'Click and Lose" sting story:

http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html?%5E$

[RB TexLa]

5. The city is going to have to do something with that

I can understand if a 17 year old produces false identification and appears to be over 18, but I don't know how dumb you can play letting a 12 year old dance at your place.

[seabeyond]

9. and all the men that watched the 12 yr old strip and said nothing

or whatever they said wasnt getting the 12 yr old out of there. this is not just about the owner that hired her. or the strippers well aware a 12 yr old was strippin with them. but the men watched, knowing she was a kid

[Junkdrawer]

11. The differential enforcement of the law is breathtaking...

Something weird and most-likely-corrupt is going on.

[RB TexLa]

19. Lot of factors in writing the law and rules by the city. Pressure to regulate the clubs

by many, primarily where they can geographically locate. But the city didn't want them to get mad and move outside of the city and take their economic impact away. I'm sure club owners were fearful of competing clubs or other groups sending underage performers to obtain work with the intent of getting a licensee revoked.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. In the article, her Mom said she had a body of a 20 year old, so it's possible that the patrons

didn't know she was 12. She also lied about her age when booked at the club. She was even asked to bring back proof of age, which she didn't. At that point I think the club should be held responsible too.

[seabeyond]

24. boobs does not make a 20 yr old body.... ultimate responsibility lies with owners

proof of age. period. when an employer hires anyone they must have information on the person. all businesses, even ones that dont have age requirements, but absolutely strip joints and others that are not child oriented. IF a business cannot regulate themselves, they should not be. the owner should not have allowed on stage until she proved her age. to just ask is stupid.....

and as far as body of 20 yr old. a lot of girls develop boobs. they still look like children. a 12 yr old cannot get away with 18 in looks.....

[RadiationTherapy]

52. Absolutely right. In my anecdotal experience, the face matures last.

I work at a university and I see the freshman faces slowly mold into an adult face over time; a 12 year old is very obvious.

Most guys who drive with their eyes open have experienced the "shudder" of seeing an attractive "woman" down the street only to get closer and see that she is quite a bit younger than you thought.

I wonder if they busted during a performance, if there are pedo- charges that could go against the "audience". I am no lawyer, but I already see loop holes.


Sick.

[seabeyond]

53. thank you..... yes. child is in the face

i have been going thru my 12 year old sons 7th grade class in my mind, and as mature as they all pretend to be, even some of the hardcore girls, not a one of them can pass as an adult.

[pitohui]

57. well certainly not in my experience, what nonsense!

it must be nice to live in a place where all 12 year olds have sweet baby faces, maybe it's the water out there, wish i'd had some of that when i was a kid

i won't go into details from my personal experience but those who think they can always "tell" are just setting themselves up for a real bad fall -- not everybody has a baby face once they are past the toddling years and only someone who is a poor observer would think they did -- on the other side of it, i meet "kids" with sweet baby faces and find out that they're 27, oops!

i could and did pass as an adult very young, and certainly my face as well as my hooters were a part of the reason -- plenty of kids have hard faces, the reality is that this young girl wasn't working as a stripper because she had the pampered life of a "baby face," i'm guessing there was either abuse of some kind (physical or sexual) or a bad need for money in the home or both

the club owners should pay the price for not insisting that the young girl bring in photo ID as proof of age -- yes, there was a crime here for sure

however the club PATRONS who assumed that anyone dancing for them was vetted and was 18 should not be arrested for the crime, they probably don't have the magic eyes and 20/20 hindsight of a DU poster hence had no way to know that the kid was under-age

the older you get, the younger they look, and too often these days i think someone is a teen and find out they're 30 so i know better than to trust my own judgement if it's an important matter, you need to get and check a gov't issued photo ID

[RadiationTherapy]

70. Despite some prickish comments in your post, I will respond.

Your reputation precedes you, Pit, and you are true to your "form".

First off, if we have different experiences, then neither of us is expressing "nonsense".

I never mentioned "baby face", especially since my example was about freshmen in college growing into seniors. Your water and kid "comments" are shit and unnecessary.

I never used the word "always". Since your world consists of "babyfaces" and, presumably, "oldfaces", I would say you lack subtlety and attention to detail. I can tell that from your post as well.

"Pampered life of a "babyface"? "Plenty of kids have hard faces"? I don't even care what this is supposed to mean.

This isn't about "passing for an adult" this is about, boobs and curves aside, the FACT that it is very easy to look at a TWELVE year old and tell she is not "18 and up". It's not about guessing her EXACT age. It isn't about a 12 year old who looks like a 16 year old. It is not about a 16 year old who looks 25. She was 12.

Fuck.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

78. When I was in my mid teens, I could pass for being in the mid 20s. When I hit my late 20s, I was

often asked for proof. This is when the drinking age was still 18.

[CRF450]

67. I beg to differ!

Their are alot of teenagers out their that look like adult girls, especially with todays fashion sense and whatnot. And then their some 20 something that still looks like a mid teenager, but those are rare.

[orleans]

49. maybe they should be asking for proof of age before they hire? n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. If you read the article, they claim they originally did. She was supposed to bring it in to them

when she started working. She never did. At that point the club IMHO is culpable.

[depakid]

73. At that point the club IMHO is culpable.

Yep -at the very least, negligent.

[orleans]

79. telling this kid that she's hired and that she can bring in an id later is

not verifying proof of age before hiring

try to get a liquor store to hire someone on the promise they'll bring in an id later. they fucked up

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

47. That's an iffy call...

One of my friends has a daughter in graduate school who you would SWEAR is not more than thirteen years old. She hates it, even though we keep telling her that when she's forty and people are mistaking her for a college co-ed, she'll be loving it.

So it's not necessarily true that the patrons "knew" that she was underage. In fact, given the wildly illegal nature of it all, one would probably assume that she "must" be of age, but just looks young.

[Dorian Gray]

45. Exactly...

it's sick. It's wrong. It's incomprehensible.

[zbdent]

7. well, the fact that it's in Texas gives me a clue ...

It may be Dallas, but state laws let the owner keep his license???

[RB TexLa]

8. The license is regulated by city ordinance

[Junkdrawer]

14. So...Federal child porn laws don't apply here?

:shrug:

[BadgerLaw2010]

15. Lack of law enabling city to yank license, basically.

[Junkdrawer]

16. So...It's a federal felony to TRY to view it on the Internet...

but I can view it LIVE if I want?

[BadgerLaw2010]

18. Federal law is founded on interstate activity. Club might possibly be in trouble, but patrons, no.

If the club had made a video of it and were selling that nationally, it's a fifteen year minimum. The problem is that there is no interstate medium here and the "big" laws on the subject are related to pornography, not live performance.

Factor in that you have different ages of consent by state and this is really hard for feds to regulate. The specific adults involved in employing her are facing state felony charges and anyone who touched her would be facing child molestation charges.

[Junkdrawer]

21. I checked the DOJ site, and you're probably right...LIVE viewing is OK...

unless there's a local or state law against it.

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide_porn.html

[orleans]

50. what a bunch of hypocrites. n/t (and pervs)

[Junkdrawer]

20. Self Delete - Posted wrong spot.

[JVS]

22. According to the kid's mom, she looked 20.

Since the customers don't get to card the strippers, they shouldn't be responsible for the mistake/crime of management.

[seabeyond]

25. a 12 yr old does not LOOK 18. she may have boobs, lots of 12 yr olds do.

they still look like kids

[pitohui]

58. seabeyond, with all due respect, you have no idea of what you're talking about

i hope you are not in a business where you deal with the public and where it's important to have proof of age because you're going to fuck yourself up big time with this fantasy

faces change and develop at different rates, when i was that age, i could and did have any number of people who believed that i was 25

people are individuals, some look much older than they are, some look much younger

the human race doesn't come out of a cookie cutter with everybody developing the same way at the same speed, if you think it does, you haven't been paying attention

[RadiationTherapy]

72. Oh, humans DON'T come from a cookie cutter.

Good to have that cleared up. A good bumpersticker for ya.


Your extrapolation of seabeyond's post is extraordinary.


interesting.

[debbierlus]

62. Just read your link...wow...talk about entrapment

Unreal.

And, what an EASY way to plant evidence. If a computer isn't protected, all kinds of things can be transmitted to your computer without your knowledge. This is very scary stuff.

[Lint Head]

4. 10 year old robs market with a rock.

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=8074017 :dem:

[Stuckinthebush]

6. 12???

I'd imagine that a 12 year old would look like a child. While strip clubs are routinely attended by horney men, they usually are interested in women not girls.

Strange.

[leftofcool]

10. I don't know, my friend

I have a 10 year old niece who already has curves and wears a bra bigger than her mother. Her parents are already starting to worry about what this means at such an early age. Some of her friends are quite physically mature as well. Scary!

[seabeyond]

13. and really, that is all that matters, curves and some tits....

it is scary.....

forget the male expected to actually think beyond like a child and age. too much to expect. parents need to be afraid.



By REBECCA LOPEZ / WFAA-TV

DALLAS — She's just 13 years old, a middle-schooler who is now facing charges involving a serious crime.

Police arrested the girl at a local nightclub where she was allegedly bringing other young girls to dance and to serve as prostitutes.

Investigators said the 13-year-old lured other girls to Club Metropolis, enticing them with the promise of money and even forcing some of them to dance and sell their bodies for sex.

snip

Police estimate there are hundreds of teenage prostitutes on the streets of Dallas because there is a big demand. Recently, they found a 12-year-old girl dancing naked at a nightclub.


Complete article at:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/s...

[Stuckinthebush]

81. Thank god my 10 year old looks 10

Many of her friends are beginning to fill out, but they still all look girlish.

[RB TexLa]

12. The mother is quoted in the article regarding her appearance

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. In the article, the girl's mother said her daughter had the body of a 20 year old.

[seabeyond]

27. my niece developed at 10. she still thought she was a kid. 11, outside playing in sprinklers

in two piece suit with my boys 9 and 6.... she is flopping around. a truck goes up the street and the men slobbering all over themselves hanging out the window ogling the girl. she is totally unaware being a kid. the men turn truck go down the street, then turn and come back up and slobber on themselves a bit more watching the boobs flop as she plays in the sprinklers. she is thinking and being a kid. clear she is a kid. though she has a body like a 20 yr old

12, a waiter rubs his crotch on her pouring water for her. well aware she is a kid. she LOOOKS lke a kid. and yes, by 12 at least a c cup. he did it cause he knew he could get away with it with a kid. a kid that would be intimidated and keep mouth shut. but to say.... well she looks.... is an easy cop out.

this is not a unique event. this is a problem with our society. there is a demand. we can pretend it is not the customers problem..... we can ignore it. or not

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. As I mentioned in my above response to you, it is the club's problem once they didn't get proof of

age.

As to 12 year olds with 20 year old bodies. For years high fashion magazines have been using young girls in their early teens as models. I think it is disgraceful but it does happen. Just for curiosity's sake, I did a quick search. In Australia there is a hoopla because a 12 year won a prime spot as a runway model. People are outraged there. Here is her photo. With make-up, does she look like a 12 year old girl to you?

[seabeyond]

39. yes... she looks like a kid. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

51. Remember the Tracy Lords scandal?

Sixteen and doing pornos - lied her way into it.

[RadiationTherapy]

68. Yes. Do you see her nose and her upper lip?

Maybe it is me, but I can tell that she is "in puberty" because of how the nose, cheeks and upper lip looks.

[Stuckinthebush]

80. Yikes

Poor girl.

[Sal Minella]

28. Girls are entering puberty younger and younger -- I know a doctor who has delivered babies for

12-year-old mothers, and I know a young grandma whose 12-year-old daughter had a baby. At the time I met the little mother she was struggling to stay in high school.

In the 'fifties, girls started menstruating at 13-14.

[seabeyond]

29. then grown, adult, mature MEN had better start factoring this in. n/t

[Zywiec]

32. At what point do men become mature?

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

33. 10 yr old has boobs.... still good for you.

is that the point.

for men to sit on this thread talking about 10 and 12 yr olds getting boobs and actin turned on, your post.....

this is the problem with what males are doing with the female body. they have now got the femlae to tits and vagina..... and it is no longer about even looking at a child and saying, .... no.... child. not tits and vagina. a child. instead

my friend

they talk about, my friend

how tough it is getting looking at 10 yr olds

you may think it is cute

it disgusts....

[Zywiec]

38. Sounds like you have some real issues

My post was a joke! You know, about when do men ever grow up...

I guess all responses have to factor in the lowest denominator and exclude all subtlety to ensure no one is offended.

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

40. we are talking about girls being sexually exploited and for you it is a "joke"

men like to "joke" about it a lot and shrug off all responsibility they may have in it.

lets see

an adult that doesnt want a child sexually exploited
an adult that jokes about it

and you say i have issues.

[Zywiec]

41. Read much?

Because your comprehension could use a little work.

:crazy:

[Blue_Roses]

34. lol

wow...my thoughts exactly.:D

[seabeyond]

36. lovely men.... yawl brag about fuckin with kids.... men, is this really all you are

seems to be, per a couple men....

does this make you cool?

[ProfessorGAC]

42. Doesn't Make Them Cool To Me, Seabeyond

It's not cool. It's not funny. It is, however, twisted.
The Professor

[seabeyond]

44. thank you

[EOTE]

66. Wow, you make some ridiculous assumptions.

Show me any post about 'yawl brag about fuckin with kids'. Not only do your ramblings seem to indicate psychosis, but your reading comprehension seems to be incredibly lacking. Stop throwing around all these sick accusations.

[kineneb]

48. better: do they become mature?

when running on harmones... almost never...

(ask my 61-year-old husband)

[Fleshdancer]

65. we pump our food with hormones. could this be a factor?

I hear about girls having their period as early as age 8 or 9. I look at tweens strolling the mall and it freaks me out...faces of childen on the bodies of what looks like 16-18 yr olds.

I really believe our diet is a huge factor on how quickly our daughters are maturing physically.

I also believe the mainstreaming of sexual exploitation is a huge factor on how quickly our daughters are "maturing" sexually. From Girls Gone Wild, to Girls Next Door and Playboy bunny shirts and other merchandise sold in teen stores, can we as a society really be shocked when they begin stripping? My local news recently had a segment on the arrest of a 13 yr old madam in Dallas. The same teleprompter readers who drooled over the photos of Eliot Spitzer's prostitute for days were shocked, SHOCKED, that a 13 yr old girl would ever consider doing such a thing.

[GreenPartyVoter]

75. My mother started at 10 in 1956. Her mom started at 15. And me, I

started at 13 in the early 80s. I guess the 3 of us can account for an average age of 13? :)

[Traction311]

54. I think you got it backwards

Horney men who visit strip clubs prefer girls, not women (not 12 though, that's just crazy). Al Bundy said it best to Peg: "I hate women. I like girls."

[pitohui]

59. girls and women develop at different ages

many 12 year olds do look like children, they are not too likely to get a job at a strip club though, now are they?

a great many 12 year olds look like adult women in their 20s, which is not all that surprising when we realize that in days gone by, then the average age of becoming a woman was 13, and that nature's plan for us was to start having babies at that age and to be a grandmother in our 30s, not a mother -- many young girls look like adults because as far as their physical body is concerned they ARE an adult -- our animal natures are not in tune with today's social laws or realities and there is no safe way to stop a young woman's physical development to reflect the fact that she's still in middle school

i can't believe that people go thru life and honestly don't know this, i can understand if you were never a girl (half the population was never a girl) but surely most people must have eyes in their head?

[seabeyond]

63. i dont think these are little "ooopes"

By REBECCA LOPEZ / WFAA-TV

DALLAS — She's just 13 years old, a middle-schooler who is now facing charges involving a serious crime.

Police arrested the girl at a local nightclub where she was allegedly bringing other young girls to dance and to serve as prostitutes.

Investigators said the 13-year-old lured other girls to Club Metropolis, enticing them with the promise of money and even forcing some of them to dance and sell their bodies for sex.

snip

Police estimate there are hundreds of teenage prostitutes on the streets of Dallas because there is a big demand. Recently, they found a 12-year-old girl dancing naked at a nightclub.


Complete article at:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080324_wz_teenpimp.2278d8a4.html

[izzie]

26. what an odd story. I wonder if they had stages mother's/father's?

Families have often worked their kids in different jobs but this seems to be a little far out, even for that type stuff.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Oh My God How Disgusting. They Should Be Put In Prison For Years For Taking Advantage Of Her Like

that.

Ughhhh. What the fuck is wrong with some people?

[aikoaiko]

31. If the club knew about her age or failed to take due deligence they should be hammered and ...

...ordinance changed to allow licenses to be pulled.

[NashVegas]

35. I Think It's Safe to Assume She Was Sexually Abused Before Getting This Gig

12 year olds don't run away from home just because all of their emotional needs are being met.

[Name removed]

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[Xenotime]

56. That's not funny.. We are talking about the exploitation of children.

[dysfunctional press]

76. lighten up, francis...i just thought the subject line looked funny-

12-year old stripper(view all)

[fascisthunter]

46. That's Just Wrong

I think I'm gonna feel sick to my stomach.

[pitohui]

55. i guess that club owner paid off the right dude to keep his license

there's a very ripe smell of fish in the room here if you ask me

[Fleshdancer]

60. isn't this tax fraud? does it break the child labor law??

When she was asked how old she was, she told them she forgot. They never required her to provide identification so does this mean that she never filled out a w-4 form? In order to do this, she would have needed two forms of ID. Are the other dancers also not claiming their earnings?

According to the Department of Labor:

Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), 14 is the minimum age for working, except for working in agriculture. Because you are 13, or younger, you cannot work in non-agricultural employment unless one of the exemptions in the FLSA applies. Exemptions are explained on the next page. However, you are allowed to help your neighbor with yard work, or do some babysitting, since those jobs are not covered by the FLSA. If you have any questions about where you can work, you may want to ask an adult (such as your parent or teacher) to help you check this out.

Please remember, you already have a full-time job--working hard in school so you can get a good education. This is the most important job you will ever have. What you learn now will help you get a better job when you are older.

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/cl/y15.asp (<---cool site to educate kids on their rights by the way)

[Marr]

64. I wouldn't be surprised if the girl had run away from the same thing at home.

Most of the runaways I've known were running from sexual or physical abuse at home. If this 12 year old girl could pass for 18 for even a couple of weeks, it makes me wonder.

I hope the authorities give some attention to the home they may be returning her to.

[Omaha Steve]

69. Why isn't the club charged with Child Porno?

That would stick and close it I would think.

[varkam]

71. It appears that two people are being charged in connection with it.

:shrug:

[dysfunctional press]

77. pornography deals specifically with film/photos, if i'm not mistaken.

there's a lot of charges that could/probably will be brought, and if the 12-year old dancer was being filmed/videotaped, child pornography might be one.

[Withywindle]

74. Oh. My. God.

So nightclubs and bars in most places can lose their license if they're caught selling this same 12-year-old a beer--but this one won't for HIRING HER TO STRIP?

WTF?