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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:38 PM
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NY Times: Bush accuses Iran of "arming, training and financing" Iraq fighters.
The attack on Iran draws closer. Has Cheney returned from the Middle East yet? The clock starts ticking once he's back.

Maybe a week, maybe a month. Not much longer, I think, unless the military says no or someone else stops it (the Dems?).

I won't list all the signs that it's coming. It's all been posted on DU for weeks.

Good luck to us all. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/washington/27cnd-prexy.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:42 PM
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1. More mush from the AWOL whimp
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 05:44 PM by SpiralHawk
Ginning up the phony excuses to send our sons and daughters in uniform off to fight
his misbegotten republicon crusade of hate, torture, and death

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:01 PM
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2. Hasn't bu$h armed, trained and financed Iraqi fighters also?
So, what's his problem?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:11 PM
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3. Right ok then, that is exclusively "our" job. Pity. n/t
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:20 PM
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4. and WHO can conceivably stop them?
certainly not the public, we've seen how they react to something to piffling as public opinion, and certainly not congress. so basically, we're screwed.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:23 PM
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5. the whole 'maliki takes charge' is propaganda bullshit....bring'em home if all is so well
or shut the fuck up, junior
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:45 PM
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6. More false flag op, trying vainly to redirect blame for utter failure anywhere else!
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 06:46 PM by L. Coyote
and, the same old change-the-subject ruse every time the news goes south.

Don't fall for this! REMEMBER what they are distracting from instead:

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:57 PM
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7. I don't want to downplay the threat of an attack on Iran, but I really think that
the Bushites are going instigate Oil War II in this hemisphere, in South America, this year, instead. I think China is largely blocking the attack on Iran. Venezuela and Ecuador are easier pickins, or so Donald Rumsfeld & co. think...

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

In addition to economic warfare against Venezuela, via the "free trade" deal for Colombia (where union leaders have short lives, and rough deaths)--and, as it turns out, in concert with Exxon Mobil (which recently tried to freeze $12 billion in Venezuela's assets)--Rumsfeld urges "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America. The Bushites don't have any "friends and allies" in South America, except the fascist thugs and drug lords running Colombia, and the fascist thugs planning coups within the democratic, leftist (majorityist) countries of the Andes region, who have lots of oil and other resources to steal. These include Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and their ally Argentina (big oil find there, recently).

The first shots in this war were fired recently, from the U.S. air base in Manta, Ecuador, in the U.S./Colombia bombing/incursion against...Ecuador. Yup. U.S. surveillance and ordinance ("smart bombs"), and, very likely, U.S. aircraft and personnel, were used by Colombia to violate Ecuador's sovereignty with the bedtime bombing of a FARC guerrilla camp, just inside Ecuador's border, killing the chief FARC hostage negotiator, who had been in contact with the presidents of France, Ecuador, Argentina and Venezuela, preparatory to releasing 12 more hostages. The FARC hostage negotiator, Raul Reyes, was killed in his sleep, along with 24 others, including visiting Mexican students (apparently there to participate in the humanitarian mission) and an Ecuadoran citizen. The U.S./Colombia bombing ended that effort to get peace talks started on a political settlement of Colombia's 40+ year civil war, and signaled Bush-U.S. contempt for international law in our own hemisphere.

Rumsfeld & co. want to draw Venezuela and Ecuador into a hot war--for purposes of destabilizing the region, and destroying these democracies. These countries' leaders wisely pulled back from that war. The hostage negotiations were very likely a Bushite war trap from the beginning (when Bush's tool, Alvaro Uribe--Colombia's drug traffic/death squad connected president--asked Chavez to negotiate with the FARC about the hostages). When Chavez was successful (he got six hostages released), the U.S./Colombia then targeted and killed the FARC hostage negotiator. Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, was furious, since the killings took place on Ecuador's soil without his consent. (Uribe lied to him that it was "hot pursuit." It wasn't.) He appeared quite ready for war with Colombia, but my read on subsequent events is that Chavez talked him out of it. Their border areas with Colombia remain tense, however.

Meanwhile, a white separatist movement is intending to split off Bolivia's gas/oil-rich rural provinces from the central government of Evo Morales--the first indigenous president of Bolivia (a largely indigenous country), and a strong Chavez/Correa ally--to deny benefit of those resources to the poor majority. These white racists--no doubt in my mind, funded and organized by the Bushites--will likely declare their "independence" this May (in a pending constitutional crisis) and request U.S. support for their "independence." Enter Rumsfeld and his "swift action" scenario. And then all hell is going to break loose in South America.

It's Rumsfeld's M.O. (chaos = opportunity, ergo create chaos). I don't think he will succeed. The leftist democratic trend in South America is too strong, and South America, as a whole--inspired by the Bolivarian revolution--is on an unstoppable path toward regional self-determination. But I do think that Rumsfeld & co. fantasize that it will be easy, compared to Iran (which has been under U.S. threat for a long time, and is militarily well-defended, as well as having powerful allies such as China).

We've also seen a lot of psyops prep by the Bushites, in their demonization of Chavez, and now Rafael Correa as well. It has been relentless. What is it for? Both leaders--and all the Bolivarians and other leftists (Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Nicaragua--all with leftist governments)--remain very popular in South America. It's not to convince South Americans. The psyops is mostly to put North Americans--us--to sleep, to make us not care, while they try to pull this off. Their success with 'Chavez, the dictator'--an allegation that has no more truth to it than the WMDs in Iraq--has given them reason to believe that we won't object or care. And they could be right about that, as to most folks here in the U.S. The ground work has been done. The oil is there, for the taking, in their view. And they think democracy in South America is going to crumble before them. But on that I think they are very wrong. They can surely cause more suffering and grief, and they can surely spoil U.S./South American relations for the rest of the century. But they won't win it.
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