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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:53 PM
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Unbelievable?? Principal allegedly threatens to kill teachers...
if they do not raise standardized test scores. It is a sad state of affairs what high-stakes testing (attaching life-altering consequences to children's test scores) can do....not that the terrible pressure schools and educators are under in any way excuses what this principal allegedly did.

The story is here: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5652246.html
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:55 PM
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1. the longer NCLB goes without being adjusted to reality..........
the more we'll be seeing things like this.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:56 PM
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2. unfortunately, yes n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:58 PM
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3. Wow.
I am trying to imagine being in that room, hearing a principal sat that to me and to my colleagues, and I just can't.

I know that the pressure put on admins and teachers to produce test scores is extreme. I know that it's stressful, and we see stress-related problems all the time. Morale is low.

Somebody get that principal some help.

Then let's get the entire system some help and ban high-stakes testing.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:12 PM
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7. Yes, indeed!
Can I get some recs for this thread?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:01 PM
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18. I was # 4.
I'll give it a :kick: ; we've got a good crew of teachers that will find it before long.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:13 PM
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19. THANK YOU!
GO Teachers!!!!!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:58 PM
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4. I downloaded a 5th grade practice test. Is it me or are those tests completely useless?
WTF are kids being taught?

I'm trying to find a sample to post...
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:29 PM
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11. They are not only useless
but downright destructive when high stakes (life altering consequences for children, teachers, and schools) are attached to the results. They could have a limited usefulness if used properly. Under NCLB, it is do or die.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:46 PM
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90. My hubby quit teaching and NCLB was a large part of the reason why. My mother was a Sped teacher and
she also had no use for NCLB.

Unfortunately I have two little boys in school which means they are being subjected to this monstrosity. We do additional "lessons" at home to help keep them well-rounded.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:53 PM
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87. They're useless.
The questions are so stupid as to be funny. But right in the middle of the one I tried was a question about combinations and permutations, which is something that usually isn't touched until high school. The rest of the questions are basically about "if Johnny has four apples and I take two, how many are left?"

This is a fifth-grade test, no less.
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/student.assessment/resources/online/2003/grade5/math.htm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:01 PM
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5. No one needs to "attack" America
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 06:01 PM by Karenina
You are cannibalizing yourselves EVERY DAY and the ROTW is in defense mode to limit the fallout. Much like Saudi Arabia's announcement.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:15 PM
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8. I'm sorry Karenina
I'm not understanding your comment...forgive me for being so dense but I want to understand what you are saying. Thank you!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:40 PM
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14. Na Du, TG...
Forgive my shorthand, big picture references, I'm more than happy to fill in the blanks. And if my comments still come across as vague, do demand that I communicate more specifically. I welcome it as it helps me too.

There's something inherently out-of-whack when a principal threatens the MEMBERS OF HIS TEAM using such violent language. YOUR mission is to educate children. The principal's mission is to conform to some "standard" given to him by those who have NO CLUE, only a misbegotten agenda. May I recommend to you John Dean's book on "Conservatives Without Conscience." Here's a link to an interview with Keith Olbermann.

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_50_year_study_says_conservatives_0711.html



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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:48 PM
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15. Thanks so much
for the link. I'd like to get Dean's book.

Know what though? In the realm of high-stakes testing, Democrats are in it up to their eyeballs right along with the conservatives. There is neo-conservatism and there is neo-liberalism and IMHO, they are equally destructive to the common good.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:15 PM
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20. You just NAILED it!
The LAST THING either want is that YOU produce critically-thinking human beings aware of their potential. Your JOB ONE ( according to them) is to condition your students to be drones subject to their command.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:19 PM
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22. EXACTLY!!
High stakes testing works wonderfully for the ruling elite and keeps the poor and ordinary folks "in their place".

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:17 PM
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21. Personally, I cannot tell the difference between the two
They are ideological twins, and often vote together.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:52 PM
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28. I think ROTW = rest of the word.
I do get frustrated when people toss unfamiliar acronyms around, though.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:57 PM
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29. Oh, ok!
Thanks.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:09 AM
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77. Sorry! I thought that one was pretty standard.
It does get overwhelming. There IS a DU acronym interpreter somewhere here. Maybe some has a link to it.
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:13 AM
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80. I understood Rich Of The World
haha. The Rest of the world is not Rich.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:01 PM
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6. if a student had done that he/she would be expelled and maybe in jail or a psych hospital
zero tolerance is zero tolerance!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:51 PM
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16. good point
It will be interesting to see what happens to this principal if the allegations prove true.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:20 PM
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9. bet it's happened before.
My old school had a "what happens here stays here" culture. I'd bet dollars to donuts stuff like this goes on elsewhere and just doesn't get reported.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:26 PM
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10. I'd bet dollars to donuts you are right Ulysses
BTW, would I be out of line to request some recs to help keep this thread up there, to call attention to what high-stakes testing mania is doing to education in the United States?
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:36 PM
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12. Well, anyway...
thanks to the one rec from whoever!!!!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:36 PM
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13. not at all.
:)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:45 PM
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35. Threats?
Absolutely. We hear them all the time. They are generally couched in kinder terms, but the threat is always there. It's usually a threat to your position at a site, or to your job within the district.

How much longer will this nightmare be permitted to hold us back? The rest of my career?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:32 PM
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45. oh, well yeah.
Threats of firing are written into the law itself, with school reconstitution.

But damn, it's good to have an easy job, huh?
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:05 PM
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49. Yes!
It's great to have such an easy job! And one where the teacher's judgment and experience and expertise are highly prized by policymakers.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:23 AM
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83. Yes.
I would like to reward all of those who work harder than I do by allowing them to spend a week with my seventh-graders and then report to the parents about all of the learning that occurred during that week.

I suggest that the "teacher" will have learned more than the students.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:56 PM
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17. Hmm...
Only once have I earned the coveted "flames" at this good place! I'd like to get my second....

More comments and recs would be greatly appreciated to bring attention to what high-stakes testing is doing.

Thank you!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:22 PM
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23. When the elites have more pressure on them, they commit crimes too, like this other tragedy in Iowa!
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 07:23 PM by calipendence
... where a Hills Bank Vice President killed off his family this last week and then himself rather than face the music for embezzlement. Makes you wonder what prompted him doing that... The recent banking crises? And his wife was a teacher too. Really sad story here in my college town where this sort of thing doesn't happen very often.

http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/media/storage/paper599/news/2008/03/27/Metro/Sueppel.Embezzlement.Case.Still.Open-3286532.shtml

Perhaps at some point all of these folks that have been abusing their added power over the last decade or so are going to come down HARD to earth soon and suffer a lot of the same consequences that many minorities have when the system of law is no longer "angled" in their favor.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:45 PM
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27. that's very sad
I heard some time ago of a teacher who killed herself over silly standardized tests....silly I say but of course her very livelihood depended on how well squirmy little children bubbled in test items.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:23 PM
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24. Have another rec
I teach, but at the college level. My room-mate from college is an ACTUAL teacher in some godforsaken hellhole in Texas. He tells me the nightmares that he has to deal with in a city that doesn't give a crap at all about education, but he still must meet those tests with kids 5-6 grade levels below where they should be.

How do you teach science to high schoolers that do not know any basic math and read at the 4th grade level? And introduced this year....intelligent design...mandated by law!

Education is broken...it is dying from neglect, political agendas, and astronomical expectations.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:37 PM
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26. Yes, well said.
And thank you for the rec.

Sadly, even politicians who may mean well (Obama perhaps?) are really clueless about education and the steady stream of misinformation they've been fed for decades by business interests and ideologically-driven think tanks.

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:58 PM
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30. Obama was a law school instructor.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 07:58 PM by tblue37
He probably has some familairity with the products of our schools and the difficulties teachers face in bucking the system to actually try to teach them anything.

I also teach college, and I can read the educational system through the system's productss.

I also ran a home daycare for 18 years, while still teaching college, and I worked as a sub in our local elementary schools, also while still teaching college, so I might have a broader view than he, but I assure you, we at the university level are not blind to what goes on in public schools or to the way teachers are blocked at every turn when they try to teach their students.

"The Inmates Are Running the Asylum"
http://www.teacherblue.homestead.com/inmates.html
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:03 PM
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31. Well, I can say this
They aren't letting any actual teachers have their say. I hear teachers' unions and quasi-teachers organizations (who are really just corporate interests) speaking in their stead on television, but not vociferously enough.

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Our statistics are appalling...

Six million middle and high school students read significantly below their grade level. A full third of high school graduates do not immediately go on to college. American 15 year olds rank 28th out of 40 countries in mathematics and 19th out of 40 countries in science.

Almost 30 percent of students in their first year of college are forced to take remedial science and math classes because they are not prepared. America has one of the highest dropout rates in the industrialized world.

Only 70 percent of U.S. high school students graduate with a diploma. African American and Latino students are significantly less likely to graduate than white students. Thirty percent of new teachers leave within their first five years in the profession.

College costs have grown nearly 40 percent in the past five years. The average graduate leaves college with over $19,000 in debt. And between 2001 and 2010, 2 million academically qualified students will not go to college because they cannot afford it. Finally, our complicated maze of tax credits and applications leaves too many students unaware of financial aid available to them.
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It's should shame every American that our vaunted public school system has deliberately been gutted so.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:18 PM
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32. Today, our nation's public schools
are confronted with a student population that presents challenges unprecedented in our history and in the world. We are the most diverse nation on earth and we have the highest rate of childhood poverty among all the wealthy nations. Quite shameful given we are the richest nation on earth.

Poverty and its deprivations and other societal ills have a huge impact on childhood growth and development..cognitively, socially, behaviorally. Rather than confront directly the issues at the root of the achievement gaps, our public schools are routinely scapegoated with never-ending cycles of useless reforms imposed upon them - recycled reforms that divert the nation's attention from the real elephants in our classrooms.

I've posted this before, but if anyone is interested, here is a post on poverty and the scapegoating of public schools from my blog: http://aplacetorespond.blogspot.com/2008/01/were-number-one-erin-childhood-poverty.html
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:41 PM
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34. I agree fully
What's worse is that poverty and poor education are both self-reinforcing, especially as the system is designed now (local taxes pay for school, benefitting rich neighborhoods while poor ones suffer).
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 PM
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36. Everyone should read that post at your blog.
Thanks for posting it.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:56 PM
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37. Thank you LWolf
We're in this together!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:23 PM
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25. Wow, keep those recs and comments coming!
Um, no it doesn't take much to excite me...and of course I am not above carrying on a conversation with myself should the need arise. But so far, things are looking pretty good!

Thanks to all of you.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:27 PM
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33. kick n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:49 PM
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52. It may be time
for me to start that conversation now.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:58 PM
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53. Yes, I think so....n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:09 PM
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54. again
greedy tonight
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:01 PM
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38. k&r
Truly insane that teachers are being put under this kind of pressure by clueless bureaucrat administrators who probably would not last ten minutes in a classr om. This principal should be ashamed. I hope that more than a few of the teachers at that school stand up to his bullying.

-app
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:21 PM
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41. Thank you
and thanks for the k&r. Trying to keep this thread up there!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:05 PM
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39. K & R
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:20 PM
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40. Hey, thank you for the K&R
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:30 PM
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43. I can't let this thread fall down
but I've got to leave the computer for a bit.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:31 PM
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44. Thanks for posting.
I think what others have said up thread - that this is probably more common than we would like to think. What an awful thing. These damn tests are no good for anyone.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:30 PM
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42. And another!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:32 PM
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46. Wow, thank you! n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:52 PM
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47. Please help me
not let this thread die.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:05 PM
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48. No problem!
And thanks for posting this horrifying but important article.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:07 PM
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50. Thank you!
And if you haven't already, can you give me a rec?
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:24 PM
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51. Hey now..
...just look at those flames. My second ever. This post, of course, is another excuse to keep the thread up there.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:25 PM
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55. And I felt bad...
...that my principal forced me to retire. I guess I'm lucky. :)
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:35 PM
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57. Ha
Hope you are enjoying your retirement! Under the present conditions of teaching in a public school, I have to confess there are some days I wish I COULD retire. I'm a long way away...only 11 years in.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:06 AM
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88. Thank you...
...so much. And good luck hanging in there with public education. It IS a difficult time to be a teacher. :hug:
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:33 PM
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56. Hey, it's about time!
Instead of having amateurs like children kill their teachers, give the job to someone who's qualified.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:59 PM
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60. haha
Yeah, we need Highly Qualified Administrators to get the job done right!

Lord help us.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:45 PM
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58. K&R
My mom is a teacher in Texas. It is rough!!!1
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:56 PM
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59. Yes...
she has my sympathies! Send her to www.educatorroundtable.org to sign a petition to end NCLB. The petition can do nothing by itself to end the madness but it will send a powerful message to our policymakers if we can get enough signers. So far only about 33,000 signers...just a drop in the bucket. We need a million. Our little grassroots organization has almost no money to advertise our cause but we're doing what we can. BTW, some of the most prominent educational researchers in the nation are partnering with us...Gerald Bracey, Alfie Kohn, Stephen Krashen, and others.

Spread the word people.

www.educatorroundtable.org

PLEEEASE!!!!!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:43 AM
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63. Tweaking the law won't do
Our policymakers will horse trade this for that......and we'll still end up with horse shit. There is a time when it is right to say NO, period.

Also, it is arguably unconstitutional for the federal government to be dictating education policy.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:14 AM
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61. Signed the petition against the NCLB travesty, thank you.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:16 AM
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62. thanks diane! n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:46 AM
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64. My last principal would breakdown and cry like a baby.
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 12:47 AM by Rex
It was unnerving to say the least. I guess it was a matter of time before some administration person snapped and lost it. NCLB doesn't work toward any progressive state of education. It is why I quit.

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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:49 AM
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65. We are losing many teachers
because of NCLB and high-stakes testing. What a shame. Hope you are happier now though!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:01 AM
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66. I was happy, I loved teaching but I couldn't work in such a failed system.
It was a task I couldn't do, too great. I hope NCLB goes away fast and the next Administration starts pushing education as being a priority in this country. Needs to happen asap.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:23 AM
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67. Those in control
intend it to fail.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:44 AM
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84. I'm one of them.
I was a teacher for eighteen years, but the pressures related to high-stakes testing made my life a living nightmare.

No, I don't think I'll ever be able to walk into a classroom again, and I was good teacher.





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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:52 AM
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85. So sad
I think it is likely the best teachers who we are losing. Everything about NCLB works to the detriment of public education and for the benefit of the ruling elite.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:42 PM
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89. Oh Daphne08...
...I'm so sorry. That's my story, too. I would have made 24 years if I could have lasted until June, but my health gave out...and I was also a good teacher (Teacher of the Year at my school in 2001). I was harassed until I had to retire. I don't think I'll even be able to substitute teach...the experience was THAT painful.

Good luck to you!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:37 AM
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68. Probably my last kick
for this thread. Thanks to those who supported it! And, if anyone wants to keep it going....no objections from me!
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:14 AM
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69. Needs another
KnR!

Great thread, teacher gal!

I see the horrible stress NCLB is putting on my grandson, 7yo, and my nephews, ages 11 and 13, and it makes me feel sick. Terra Nova next week. I've checked out the sample they sent home for "practice"; what a nightmare for a first grader! Geometry, story problems... Many things I would never imagine as being normal for a first grader.

The kids I know hate all the study for the test crap and feel they are learning very little. :(

I haven't spoken to many teachers that like it either.

:hi:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:33 AM
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70. thank you vickiss n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:27 AM
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78. Very welcome, teach!
:kick:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:16 AM
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71. God when will we decide we need more than a third rate
education system.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:30 AM
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72. Now now
this system works quite well in the corporate scheme of things.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:53 AM
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73. Really, I think it is rather amazing
how well our public schools manage to do despite the enormity of the challenges. There are more myths about public schools out there than you can shake a stick at. But the current policy of high-stakes testing is indeed wreaking havoc and destruction, particularly for our most vulnerable and impoverished students.

We have a national treasure at debunking myths about America's public schools - educational researcher Gerald Bracey. Here is a brief piece by him providing just a wee bit of history on the never ending criticisms of public education... you can Google him and find literally hundreds of resources.

Gerald W. Bracey
Believing the Worst

In his 1990 book, Popular Education and Its Discontents, historian Lawrence Cremin observed that the growth of American education after World War II had been “nothing short of phenomenal.” The proportion of high school graduates among those 25 or older had grown from 34 percent to 74 percent, while college graduates had increased from 6 percent to 19 percent. “And yet,” mused Cremin, this expansion “brought with it a pervasive sense of failure. The question would have to be ‘Why?’”

That still is the question.

Criticism of schools, always present, intensified in the tense Cold War era, when CIA chief Allen Dulles fed the Pentagon statistics indicating that the Soviet Union was producing twice as many engineers, scientists and mathematicians as the United States. Then, in October 1957, the Russians launched Sputnik, the first man-made satellite to orbit the earth. Everyone blamed the U.S. lag on the current condition of schools even though those working in rocketry had long since departed them. (Cremin quipped that Sputnik proved only that the Russians’ World War II German scientists had gotten ahead of our World War II German scientists.)

In red letters against a black background, Life magazine’s cover of March 24, 1958, shouted “Crisis in Education.” A stern-looking Alexei Kutzkov in Moscow and an easy-smiling Stephen Lapekas in Chicago, both high school juniors, stared out at the reader. Pictures showed Kutzkov conducting complicated experiments in physics and chemistry and reading aloud from Sister Carrie in his English class. Lapekas was seen walking home with his girlfriend, dancing in rehearsal for a musical and retreating from a geometry problem on the blackboard. “Stephen amused his classmates with wisecracks about his ineptitude,” read the text.

One leaves the Life article convinced that without massive and immediate school reform, the Russians will bury us. (Lapekas became a Navy pilot, then a commercial pilot for TWA; I am told Kutzkov works for the Russian equivalent of the FAA. The article so devastated Lapekas that he will not talk about it even today.)

The schools never recovered from Sputnik, getting pummeled by report after report. Current reform efforts were launched in 1983 by A Nation At Risk, from the National Commission on Excellence in Education. A treasury of selected, spun and distorted statistics, it was often called “the paper Sputnik.”

These reports produced a syndrome we might call “The Neurotic Need to Believe the Worst.” Americans uncritically accept gloomy statistics about their public schools. For example, claims that in 2004 China produced 600,000 engineers, India 350,000 and the United States a mere 70,000 flowed without resistance from a 2005 Fortune article into a National Academies report, the New York Times and popular culture. The real figures emerged from a Duke University study in late 2005: China, 341,000; India 112,000; United States 131,000—more per capita than either of the others. Yet spring 2006 found the bogus numbers in the New Yorker and in speeches by Sen. John Warner, Education secretary Margaret Spellings and Commerce secretary Carlos Gutierrez. Bad statistics are hard to kill.

Similarly, in his book The World Is Flat, Thomas Friedman reports that many immigrant children do unusually well in science talent searches. He writes: “ Munteanu started American school in the seventh grade, which he found a breeze compared to his Romanian school. ‘The math and science classes covered the same subject matter I was taking in Romania when I was in fourth grade.’”

Friedman relies on Munteanu’s memory and doesn’t check the facts. He doesn’t need to. We all know American schools are lousy. But there are facts that can be checked, in an assessment known as the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS). At the eighth grade level (Romania did not participate in the fourth or 12th grade tests), the test score results showed this:

Trends in Math and Science
Table I

The American advantages over Romania in math and science can be characterized as substantial and large, respectively.

While the media treat putatively negative outcomes on the front page, they often ignore positive outcomes. When the results from PIRLS (Progress in International Reading Literacy Study) appeared in 2003, only four newspapers carried bylined stories. For three of them—the Boston Globe, Boston Herald and Hartford Courant—the story was of local interest: Boston College performed much of the technical work.

Of the 35 nations in this study of fourth graders, eight scored higher than the United States, but only three of those scored statistically significantly higher. The average U.S. score of 543 floated well above the international average of 500 although somewhat behind the leading nation, Sweden, at 562. When the U.S. Department of Education broke down PIRLS scores according to the different poverty levels of U.S. schools, it found this:

Poverty and Literacy in U.S. Schools
Table II

The far right column indicates the proportion of all American students attending schools with a given poverty level. Thus the 13 percent in the schools with the lowest poverty level scored considerably higher than students in the highest scoring nation, while the 17 percent in schools with moderately low-level poverty scored slightly higher.

If the students in U.S. schools with 25 to 49.9 percent poverty constituted a nation, it would rank fourth among the 35 countries in the study. Only in schools where the poverty level exceeded 75 percent did the score fall below the international average.

One might reasonably object, “Yes, but other countries have poor children, too.” True, but not nearly as many as the United States, at least among developed nations. UNICEF Child Poverty in Wealthy Nations found a 21.9 percent child poverty rate here. Among the 20 countries studied, only four others exceeded 15 percent (New Zealand, Australia, the United Kingdom and Portugal); 10 had rates below 10 percent (Denmark: 2.4 percent).

A 2006 report published by a Columbia University research center found public schools outperforming private schools but received scant media attention. The study, Charter, Private, Public Schools and Academic Achievement: New Evidence from NAEP Mathematical Data, concluded that private schools score higher than public schools only because they contain more high-income students, fewer low-income students, fewer minority students, and many fewer special education students and English Language Learners. When these differences are controlled for, the public schools do better. Despite press releases sent to 1,500 media representatives, only one major newspaper, the New York Times, devoted a story to it.

Media and critics also fail to note that educators from nations that test higher than the United States, especially Asian nations, visit U.S. schools regularly. They want to learn how to produce innovative people. Newsweek pundit Fareed Zakaria observed that students in Singapore score much higher than American students; but 10 or 20 years later, American students are ahead. “Singapore has few truly top-ranked scientists, entrepreneurs, inventors, business executives or academics. American kids test much worse, but seem to do better later in life and in the real world.”

Some have attributed this outcome to the quality of American universities. But to contend this would be to deny that elementary and secondary education has any consequences. A more plausible explanation is that multiple-choice tests taken by 13-year-olds don’t count for much in the long run.

The Singapore minister of education affirmed this interpretation, telling Zakaria that Singapore had an exam meritocracy, America a talent meritocracy. “We cannot use tests to measure creativity, ambition or the willingness of students to question conventional wisdom.” Zakaria also quoted a Singaporean father who once lived in the United States. “In the American school, when my son would speak up, he was applauded and encouraged. In Singapore he’s seen as pushy and weird.” The father moved his son to an American-style private school.

No one should take the above facts and statements as an acceptance of the educational status quo. Some improvements should be made simply because they can be. It is more important to address the “achievement gap” between white and Asian students on the one hand and black and Hispanic students on the other. Indeed, the No Child Left Behind Act demands that schools eliminate this gap entirely.
Pencil
NCLB is to education as Katrina was to New Orleans. Of what use is a program that fails everyone?

I have never believed that this law is the idealistic, well-intentioned but poorly executed program that many claim it to be. NCLB aims to shrink the public sector, transfer large sums of public money to the private sector, weaken or destroy two Democratic power bases—the teachers unions—and provide vouchers to let students attend private schools at public expense. The original proposal, and each subsequent presidential budget, provided for vouchers, but Congress has thus far removed these provisions.

Even if every contention in the previous paragraph were wrong, NCLB is to education as Katrina was to New Orleans. The law mandates that 100 percent of students be proficient in math and reading by 2014. Projections of failure range from 99 percent of all schools in California down to 85 percent in high-scoring Minnesota. Of what use is a program that fails everyone?

NCLB depends on punishment. It does not reward schools for doing well, but sanctions them for doing “poorly.” NCLB requires schools to make arbitrarily determined “Adequate Yearly Progress” and to report that progress by various subgroups (perhaps its only beneficial requirement). Most schools have 37 subgroups—ethnic groups, special education students, English Language Learners, etc. If any subgroup fails to make AYP for two consecutive years, all students in the school must be offered the opportunity to transfer to a “successful school.” The school might be doing well by 36 of its 37 subgroups, but in federal eyes it is uniformly failing. If fewer than 95 percent of students show up to take the test, the school fails.

NCLB depends entirely on standardized tests to measure student progress. Spending classroom time preparing for a standardized test is the opposite of asking questions or being innovative. Robert Sternberg, PhD ’75, dean of the school of arts and sciences at Tufts University, asserts that our “massive” use of standardized tests “is one of the most effective, if unintentional, vehicles this country has created for suppressing creativity.”

NCLB’s greatest absurdity derives from the demand that schools alone wipe out the achievement gap. As economist Richard Rothstein observes in Class and Schools: “We can make big strides in narrowing the student achievement gap, but only by directing greater attention to economic and social reforms that narrow the differences in background characteristics with which children come to school. . . . If the nation can’t close the gaps in income, health and housing, there is little prospect of equalizing achievement.”

It is no accident that Scandinavian countries, with their generous social safety nets, enjoy higher test scores—sometimes higher than Asian nations—and show smaller differences in scores among different socioeconomic levels. If we think NCLB will eradicate the achievement gap, then we are not yet taking the academic achievement of minority children seriously.

The great expansion that Cremin observed continues but slowly, although some reformers now express a hope to prepare all students for a college education. Between TIMSS 1995 and TIMSS 2003, only Hong Kong, Latvia and Lithuania showed larger gains than the United States. And in its Global Competitiveness Report 2005-2006, the World Economic Forum ranked the United States the most competitive among the 117 nations it rated.

Yet the sense of failure persists.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:23 AM
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74. Scroll down to the last few paragraphs about TAKS, Texas' version of NCLB.
Before there was NCLB relentless emphasis on standardized tests, there was TAAS, which was later revised to TAKS. Bush didn't introduce TAAS, but he did make it mandatory for all TX schoolchildren.
Anyone who thinks Bush has had a positive effect on Texas education must read the National Education Assoc's newsletter, NEA Today Oct. 2000 issue. It explains where Bush was when Texas leaders got serious about education. http://www.nea.org/neatoday/0010/scoop.html

Texas teachers salaries are far below the national average, 500,000 certified teachers have left the profession, 12,000 teachers are on emergency permits and 10,000 permanent subs supplement the teaching staff. Not good for Texas children!

Please check it out!


Almost everything in TX schools that has been improved has been due to others than Bu**sh**. See these two articles (among many):
http://www.karenholgate.com/ar991201.shtml
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010129/metcalf
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:57 AM
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82. Interesting!
Thanks for sharing these links!

And I'm aware that the "Houston Miracle" on which Bush campaigned as "the education president" in his first presidential campaign turned out to be a giant fraud.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:00 AM
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86. Ah, yes. The TAAS test.
Had friends that didin't walk at graduation because of that stupid test. And they weren't dumb kids either-that test is/was just incredibly flawed.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:34 AM
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75. K&R!
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Hottest Housewife Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:06 AM
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76. Kick!

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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:04 AM
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79. Here's a kick with an added opinion:
All for the same price. What a bargain! :P

This is an opinion piece I had published in our local newspaper a few years ago.




However unpleasant, the contract dispute in the Oregon Trail School District has brought to light an important issue: the destructive nature of the so-called No Child Left Behind Act. In any school or district, children are best served when teachers and administrators work together as a unified team. NCLB, with its obsessive emphasis on test scores, drives a wedge between people who should share a common goal.

For those unfamiliar with the intricacies of testing, here’s a brief summary. Students are tested on a subject for one day of the 180-day school year. Test scores derived from this automated process are compared to the scores of the previous year’s children. If the current test scores are not higher than those of the previous year, the school is considered “underperforming.” Aside from the ludicrous nature of attempting to quantify--rather than qualify--a child’s ability, this system is, in essence, institutionalized sibling rivalry. It is analogous to parents punishing a younger child for failing to be taller than an elder sibling at a comparable age.

Teachers, who see their students daily, understand that academic improvement is an ongoing process, not measurable by slide rule or abacus. Many of us resent society’s cavalier dehumanization of our students, all in the name of “accountability.” Even more upsetting is the unspoken truth behind this numeric infatuation: We live in a society that does not trust professional educators to do the job for which they have been trained and hired. The elephant in the middle of the room is the sad fact that test scores exist not so much to measure student ability, but to reassure taxpayers who are uncomfortable that money taken from their paychecks is going to educate someone else’s children.

Administrators have been put in the untenable position of catering to this societal distrust. Principals and superintendents are the visible figureheads of any educational team; they are the obvious targets when test scores—trumpeted ad nauseum by the media—“indicate” that a school or district is “underperforming.” In order to maintain job security, they are forced to go along with the illogical idea that a child’s ability can be gaged by a number.

Teachers, on the other hand, concern themselves with whether or not their students are actually learning, which is seldom quantifiable. NCLB has forced administrators to be more concerned with numbers than with children or learning. People who should be on the same side—the side that supports students—are forced apart by the “quick fix” nature of our society. Real learning requires time and hard work, but most Americans would rather look at a number in a newspaper than visit their local schools or contribute sweat equity to public education. And our children, regardless of their test scores, are intelligent enough to learn the lesson inherent in this attitude: Why should they put time and effort into learning, when our society so obviously tells them that public education is not worth time or effort?



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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:37 AM
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81. Nice letter!
We need teachers everywhere writing commentaries and letters to the editor about NCLB.

Thank you for sharing this!
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