Hey DUers, if you're interested, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee is on HBO this weekend.

[redqueen]

It's on HBO, which I don't get, but they had a free preview thing last weekend so I watched this decent adaptation of Dee Brown's book: Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee - An Indian History of the American West.

It's worth a watch if you'd like to see a dramatized account of what it was like for Native Americans during the years leading up to the Dawes Act.

If you don't have HBO but still find the subject interesting... http://www.amazon.com/Bury-My-Heart-Wounded-Knee/dp/0805066691

[EFerrari]

1. I don't have HBO either. Darn! I loved that book.

:kick:

[redqueen]

4. Well,

you might be disappointed in the movie.

I loved the book as well, but I love movies even when they do a horrilble job of staying true to a book, so it's very easy for me to overlook that sort of thing.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

12. I feel the same way about the adaptations. It's just good

to see the material aired. :)

[redqueen]

13. Very much so!

:bounce:

[leftofcool]

2. The book was great the show not so much

[redqueen]

3. Yeah... they didn't do the best job...

but I figured for those who haven't read the book, and don't know much about the time period, it could be enlightening and interesting, if a bit on the dramatic side. :)

[leftofcool]

5. True. I had high hopes for this show

thanks for reminding me I need to go re-read that book just because

[redqueen]

6. I plan to do the same!

Just have to finish the one I'm reading first. :hi:

[Broken_Hero]

7. Its also available on DVD...I

stumbled across the dvd last...September or so, good movie. Spoiler...
































I especially liked the discussion between Sitting Bull, and Sheridan?(can't recall the generals name)...that discussion in my view, was pretty good, and set the tone for the rest of the movie.

[redqueen]

8. Yes, that conversation really stood out.

I liked Red Cloud's speech especially much. :)

[Broken_Hero]

9. Agreed, I should read the book

my wife has read it..its on her bookshelf right now, but I haven't picked it up yet...its on my list of things to read, but damn...my list is rather long...:)

[EFerrari]

10. You have to. And prepare to read it front to back without stopping.

It's a big, fat and gentle education in itself. I gave away my copy years ago and have to get another one because it's also the kind of book you keep going back to.

Sometime in the late 80s, I did a lot of reading and coursework on Native American religion, philosophy and belief systems when I was trying to figure out the NA influence on my Latino/Laudino family and culture. Some of the best hours I've ever spent. :)

[redqueen]

14. Heh... yes, my list is pages and pages...

I keep finding new things to put on there, or picking up things that put off my reading the ones on the list!

:P

[Broken_Hero]

16. another good American Indian one

is Son of the Morning Star, by Evan S. Connell, its somewhat of a hard read, but it deals with Little Bighorn, and how the Federal Govt dealt with the Indian...threat.

ETA: and anything by Vine Deloria Jr also...

[EFerrari]

18. Repeat: Anything by Deloria.

:woohoo:

[Broken_Hero]

20. Agreed,

I've only read, God is Red, but that one hooked me big time...I need to get off my lazy ass and get the rest of his works....

I went to an all American Indian college in Kansas, and most of my professors pushed Vine on me all the time, and finally I broke down and read God is Red, and I was...pleasantly surprised.

[EFerrari]

21. That's fascinating! I was lucky enough to have a good teacher

at my community college (who informed me our library was built on a burial ground. :scared:)

But she put me in contact with a lot of people, including some awesome teachers up near Yosemite. My family would go up there from the SF Bay Area every summer and hang out with them for most of a decade.

I'm a big Leslie Marmon Silko fan but notice that a lot of her stuff has been scrubbed from the net. I used to be able to find the text of her poems -- they don't seem to be there any more. Maybe a copyright deal. She's also very powerful.

[Broken_Hero]

48. My wife is a Silko

fan, I just told my wife about this thread, and she had a lot to say about Silko...I recall reading some of her writings at Haskell(my alma mater)...

[redqueen]

19. Thank you... I haven't read that one.

Yet.

:)

[cynatnite]

46. It was complete bullshit...as was the depiction of Sitting Bull

using a tit for tat type of discussion was ignorant. This movie just twisted everything that the book represented. I was so disgusted by it.

[H2O Man]

11. It would be

nearly impossible to have the movie do justice to the book, which was (and is) outstanding. Still, the movie is pretty good, and certainly worth watching.

Red Cloud, Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse are all American heroes. Though they were of a sovereign nation, their lives should be taught in classes about US history. It is impossible to understand US-Lakota/Sioux relations today, without a solid background in the events of the later 1800s.

Those who are interested in this topic might also enjoy two outstanding books on Crazy Horse: (1) Crazy Horse: The Strange Man of the Oglalas, by Mari Sandoz; and (2) Crazy Horse and Custer: The Parallel Lives of Two American Warriors, by Stephen Ambrose. I recommend both of these books, as well as "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee."

[redqueen]

15. Agreed on all points!

You are a real treasure... I hope you know that.

[EFerrari]

17. In The Spirit of Crazy Horse, to make it a triplet. A book banned in this country

in the late 80s and about Leonard Peltier.


https://www.hotbooksale.com/store/productView.aspx?idProduct=29771&ec=1&ProdId=62&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=cpc

(Good to see you, my friend. One of these days I'm going to send your family a pine needle basket of the kind I was taught to make by my mentor. It won't hold water but works for other small and necessary things. Just found some long needle pines in Golden Gate Park. No one will miss the needles I need.)

[H2O Man]

22. Peter Matthiessen,

the author of "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse," also wrote "Indian Country" (1979). The NY Times Book Review called the book "an eloquent and painful look at the past and present situations in many Indian territories where social unrest and injustice have turned into open confrontation." The book's 12 chapters are sort of an updated version of "Bury My heart," as they tell of the modern day situations where the US government behaves as criminally and immorally with Indian peoples as it did in the 1800s.

[EFerrari]

23. I don't remember if I've read "Indian Country" because somewhere in there

I spent a year preparing for my oral examinations. The title is very familiar, though.

Maybe time to reread.

[newfie11]

24. I've been to Wounded Knee

Not much to see.

[EFerrari]

25. What did you see? I've never been there. n/t

[H2O Man]

29. I have extended family

that goes back and forth to that area every year. I don't think it is a place for sight-seeing, in the sense that it is less a place to look out at, as look in. Maybe it's more a place that some people feel, and others don't.

[redqueen]

31. Very well put. (nt)

[EFerrari]

34. That would be my guess.

There are some places that have stories for people who want to listen.

A place is not just dead matter. A place is like a library if you are a good browser.

[malaise]

26. Thanks

One of my favorite books

[redqueen]

27. Oh, it's my pleasure!

:hi:

[EFerrari]

28. Is it possible to get a couple more recs for redqueen's thread?

[redqueen]

32. .

:hug:

[ConsAreLiars]

43. Sure, K&R, and thanks for the prod.

And maybe people will also think a little bit, at least, about "our" government's genocidal wars against the tribal cultures in places like Afghanistan.

[EFerrari]

44. Thanks, Cons, and you bet!

:)

[ismnotwasm]

30. It's in my sig line

A book I read as a young girl and had a profound effect on how I learned to view history. Thanks for the heads up!

[redqueen]

33. Same here!

My dad made me read it. I'm ever so glad that he did.

And the pleasure's all mine, believe me. :hi:

[EFerrari]

37. In a profound way, reading an alternate history changed me.

Even at Berkeley where I studied, the authorized "history" comes at you hard.

You learn to think inside of the lines and that is a mistake, of course. That's not really thinking or reflection. That's just learning to be a good parrot.

It was through the patience of my NA teachers that I learned how to operate my brain. They taught me how to question without defensiveness let alone, antagonism. They taught me that there was no need or benefit in confrontation when a quiet statement would raise the same question. Their MO was so foreign to me. It was like a whole new musical key. I'm not saying this very well but, that's what happened. I don't always manage to follow this teaching because I live here.

It's sort of comical and human that it was only in the late 60s that cognitive scientists wrote about the value of withholding your reaction and carefully walking through your reactions to other people as a way to mitigate a host of ills, like clinical depression.

We spend a lot of time relearning what we could already know. Maybe that's what we do best. :)

[redqueen]

40. Well, you can't step into the same river twice...

so... maybe it's not so much re-learning as learning it in a more effective way, somehow. Or on a deeper level.

I'm so full of it. :P

[MrSlayer]

35. I've seen it, it was very well done.

Highly recommended.

[redqueen]

36. I'm grateful it was shown during that free preview weekend.

:hi:

[walldude]

38. It's also on HBO on Demand..

And well worth watching...

[redqueen]

39. Thanks!

I hadn't even thought of that.

Glad you enjoyed it. :hi:

[redqueen]

41. Just one eensy self kick...

:hi:

[EFerrari]

42. Kick

[cynatnite]

45. Read the book, folks...the movie sucked

I know movies always take historical liberties, but this was so twisted that it does not deserve the title or an assumption made that it came from the book. It's nothing like the book at all.

[Crabby Appleton]

47. I read the book a long time ago, when it was first published

good book, I'll try to catch the movie.