When did you reach your breaking point

[hyphenate]

with this administration?

It's now at the chronic stress stage, where all the bullshit just doesn't phase me anymore. Once you've reached a breaking point, anything piled on just doesn't have the same impact anymore. You're numb, in shock, and just completely overwhelmed to the point where you say things like "I don't care anymore," "So what else is new?" and other similar things.

The culmination off all the horror for me happened even before the 2000 election. I spent the last two years of Clinton's administration looking at the horror and disbelief of congress in their witchhunt of Clinton. Partisan politics was only the foundation for my stunned reaction: it's difficult to give a congress any credibility if they spend so much time, energy and money to go after someone like they did Clinton.

And then the election, and I went to bed the night of the election believing Gore had won, and it was the last night I slept soundly for many years to come. I remember James Baker going into Florida and acting like a big bully, and I recall that GWB was already starting to select his "cabinet members" and I went into overload. He was so smug, so arrogant and so unbelievably evil, even then, that I hated him right from the beginning.

I remember joining a Yahoo group, called the "Ihategeorgebushfanclub." And that was before DU was here, and there were few bastions of safety for Dems and liberals.

A lot has changed since then, slightly over 7 years ago. While the "neighborhood" isn't completely cohesive, there is now sanctuary for many of us which is good. It's easier to deal with the outrage.

But the question still remains: when did you reach your limit on outrage, and how has continued barraging of same affect you now?

[IowaGirl]

1. Pretty early, I think it was when Bush said that missle treaty was outdated or something like that..

and China and Russia immediately had a pow wow over those remarks. :puke:

[stevedeshazer]

2. April 2, 2001

U.S. PLANE IN CHINA AFTER IT COLLIDES WITH CHINESE JET

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE5DD113FF931A35757C0A9679C8B63

A United States Navy spy plane on a routine surveillance mission near the Chinese coast collided on Sunday with a Chinese fighter jet that was closely tailing it. The American plane made an emergency landing in China, and the United States said it was seeking the immediate return of the 24 crew members, all said to be in good condition, and of the sophisticated aircraft and all its intelligence equipment.

The midair crash occurred about 50 miles southeast of China's Hainan Island, in what American officials described as international waters. The EP-3E Aries II aircraft, which had taken off from an American air base in Okinawa, Japan, issued a Mayday call but managed to make an emergency landing on the island. The Chinese plane crashed into the waters below.

China's foreign ministry spokesman, Zhu Bangzao, said a search was under way for the pilot, and Chinese state television broadcast an angry statement on Sunday night saying that ''the U.S. side has total responsibility for this event.''

But Adm. Dennis Blair, commander in chief of the United States Pacific Command, said Chinese planes had become increasingly aggressive in tailing American military aircraft in recent months, even prompting the United States to register a protest. ''It's not a normal practice to play bumper cars in the air,'' he said.

In Washington, President Bush's advisers, finding themselves dealing for the first time with a sensitive military incident with the Chinese, went to some lengths to avoid ascribing blame. And instead, they immediately focused their attention on an airport in the city of Lingshui, on Hainan, where the damaged plane was sitting on the tarmac. (in other words BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE -SD) Whether the crew members were still on board was unclear.

''The question now is do we have access to the crew, when do we get the crew back, and how do we get the aircraft back,'' said one administration official. ''This is going to be a test of everyone's ability to stay cool and work things out.''

The White House said diplomats from the American Embassy in Beijing, and other American officials based in China, were traveling to Hainan and would seek to escort the crew members out of the country and make sure the Chinese did not inspect or remove the equipment aboard the plane. It was not clear if the Americans erased any data they had collected or sought to disable any of their equipment.

The incident comes at a particularly sensitive moment of transition in Washington's relations with Beijing. Within weeks, President Bush is to make a decision on whether to sell sophisticated arms and radar equipment to Taiwan, and how the two countries handle this incident may color the internal debate within the Bush administration over what kind of technology to provide to the Taiwanese.

Chinese officials, meanwhile, are likely to use the incident to take their measure of the Bush administration. They are already highly sensitive to what they believe is a tougher posture toward China -- one that views China as a military competitor first and a trade partner second.

[acmavm]

3. November 19, 2000 - Their 1st OPEN move to destroy our country

The Brooks Brothers riot was a demonstration by Republican congressional staffers outside a meeting of election canvassers in Miami, Florida on November 19, 2000, organized for the purpose of bringing about the cancellation of a hand recount in which 10,750 ballots remain uncounted in the recount of the 2000 United States presidential election. The name refers to a traditional brand of suits associated with conservative business attire like that of the protesters.<1> The crowd was reported to have been directed by Congressman John E. Sweeney,<2> a Republican from New York.

This political act was orchestrated by the RNC as many of the rioters were flown in to participate. Many of the participants have gone on to pursue lucrative careers through political appointments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
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[enough]

4. Yes.

[thecrow]

6. Me too. I lost it then

Then I decided to "give him the benefit of the doubt" but then he cancelled the treaties.
I withdrew my benefit.
He's been an incompetent loser since.

[magellan]

5. 2004 GE whitewashed election fraud

Since then I've only become more and more cynical of the entire government. Nothing changes for the better of the country no matter what we do or who's in charge.

[dysfunctional press]

13. the charade will continue after november 2008 as well- no matter who gets elected.

nt

[peace13]

7. When the Supreme Court gifted the Presidency to *.

[LWolf]

8. When he was selected in 2000. n/t

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

9. I'm like you, I've despised that POS since

before the "selection" in 2000. He was arrogant and smug throughout the campaign in 1999 and 2000. In fact, I remember saying to one of my friends in 1999, "wouldn't love to wipe that smirk of his face".

He always came across to me as the spoiled son of wealthy parents. He never did a day's hard work in his life and if he fucked things up, the parents would bail him out every time.

[Selatius]

10. End of 2003 when I realized Iraq wasn't a cake walk and that there was no plan.

I used to be on the fence when the invasion came, but I went over to the anti-war side after I looked up how little the government prepared for reconstruction. Then I realized it was done not simply for oil or for freeing Iraqi people from tyranny because that's a lie to me but because war contracts are a lucrative business. War is good for anyone who is in the business of arms manufacturing or is in a position to capitalize on those contracts, like Halliburton or Blackwater.

In the 2000-2003 period I was politically agnostic most of the time. Admittedly, that's a nice way of saying I was just another fucking ignorant American who didn't follow politics like he should have. In 2000, I didn't really question the propaganda that small government is better than big government, so I saw Bush as the lesser evil.

Nowadays, I'm a free-market socialist. Competition in the marketplace can only be sustained with adequate regulation, unless one wants monopolies to arise. At the same time, by collectivizing ownership in enterprises, management would necessarily treat labor more humanely. It is the conflict between management and labor over the entire period of modern-day capitalism that should be resolved.

[cloudythescribbler]

11. 2000 campaign, when press down to astroturf roots, inc supposed Dems dismissed the OBVIOUS ...

importance of the fact that W Bush didn't even know WHO the heads of state of India and Pakistan were. At that point, it was clear that we had an 'anointed not elected' boob being installed, with everyone "doing the job" and justifying the lying, as usual.

[cliffordu]

12. I was living in Texas when Boosh became Governor -

I watched what he said and how he carried himself. I was heavily drug addicted to drugs in my youth and I know a ripoff when I see one. Boosh has all the earmarks of a guy who'd sell you drain cleaner and call it 100% pure China white.


:puke:

[Zavulon]

14. His first televised speech,

He doesn't do jack for ages, and when he finally addresses the nation it's to tell us all to go fuck ourselves on the stem cell thing. Asshole. :mad:

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. I reached my outrage limit during Reagan's reign.

These days, I practice a level temper and tell the truth as often as I can, as it pisses off the Reagan/Bush types, who cannot possibly function in a truth-oriented environment.

[blues90]

16. This administration was after I reached my breaking point

Certainly this Bush admin is the worst there has ever been . As soon as Bush was handed the election that was it for me . It was not so much that Bush is a freak but that the people in this country allowed this election to be handed to bush and did nothing to fight it .

We have been lied to for many years about everything . People in this country are stupid and easily lead in this country by fan-fare and popularity and base nothing much on substance or reality .

Here we are once again being fed a stream of endless lies by media and popular politicians as if they are some sort of figures and all knowing and without fault and we include movie stars and sports figures as if their opinion has any real basis in reality when they simply run to the front of an already ongoing parade to support a cause that they really had nothing to do with in the first place . They have to opportunity to pick and choose a cause where the rest of the people have to live with the results .

The only time politicians are close to people in the public or have contact is when they are on a campign trail to rally votes and support , once they have their seat the people are never again in the central picture and the people are left to live with what they were told to be true . Yes they can sit down at a country home table or hold the baby for a photo shoot and never come close to reality . They live in their own reality and this is with few exceptions .

The sad part is the bush admin has made things so bad before the people were able to see it and now we have lost all control and willingly handed it all over to the corporations and now it's too late .


It's pretty easy now to wave hope and change or a new way forward or trust us we can do it or we have the experience in the faces of the people and get away with it when things are now so bad and desperate but it really means nothing until the people decide enough is enough .

So far the people are not willing to stand together and work together and are once again placing all hope in a candidate when the people are the ones who have to make the moves required to make things change .

It's just a never ending vicious circle that cycles every 4 or 8 years and we get nowhere other than to fall behind .

We heard never again however here we are again and we had civil and equal rights that have been stopped into the dirt over and over again and we are right back to square one with yet another set of candidates telling the masses what they know they want to hear .

What we have are nothing more than career politicians .

[KoKo]

17. Same timeline for me as in your post........

and...I've kind of reached the tipping point where I know that very little will be done about any of this. No accountability.. So...I just roll my eyes at every new disclosure and every new power grab or exposed corruption.

[frebrd]

18. Long before this admin. 1980 - When a third-rate actor....

was elected President of our country.

(I can remember when his name was pronounced "REEgan". I guess he thought "RAYgan" sounded fancier when he became a Repug.)

:puke:

[Diclotican]

19. hyphenate

hyphenate

Tree months before this man was put in charge in US.. Maybe when he could not memory of that "general" who have made a coup in Pakistan...:think: Hm, what was the name again.. Ah Yes it was Perzewez Musharaff... A name mr Bush don't care to learn, or don't know about in the first time around...

I thing I get a fair idea about how President Bush was going to be a catastrophe for US, when he tried to bully China when it come to this little "Incident" in the read china sea when they hit that MIG fighter, and had to land on a chinese air force base and all what followed... I was inclined then, to support the US case... But something fas not right there.. And then more was coming out, it was very clear that something was definitely not right.. Even when the P3-Orion (Aries II) was released, and send home..

This man, have been a totally catastrophe for US, and for the world at large.. How good everyone know what would happened, if another man was elected President in 2000... The right wingers have proven to be right that, right wingers.. And have proven once and for all, that they would never been take into the house of power after this President is out.. Even the dumbest, non literate men should know that now... And as one of your own say it. When fascism come to america, it would be rapped in the american flag, or something like that... Truly fascism as we know it, have hit US hard and long now... With the help of the right wingers of the Republican Party, and the friends they may have other places... And what would be the victim in the end. The world, and the american public as a whole. Even the few who still support, and give all they can to this ********* man and his administration. The american Republic, and the public would have to go true a lot of thing, before this administration, and more to the point, the legacy of this administration are finished.. The weakening dollar, are just one of the few symptoms of something very bad to come...

Have been "angry" about this administration long before the Iraqi war, long before the Afghanistan war. Long before he was sending US down the slippery slope of fascism, bully ism, and acting as the horrible clown he may are.. But I have to this day never _hated_ the man funny enough. I guess long down, in my hearth I still se a little glim's of humanity in that idiotic, stupid little face of him... But I despise the man so much, that if he on the TV and are talking, if I don't can turn down the voice or something, have to physically leave the rom... Because I almost vomit when I se that man on TV, and the ARROGANCE he is showing off there...

As a cristian, I se how hollow he's belief really if. If he had been that "born again cristian" he claim to be, he would have acted better.. I se a man who maybe believe to be cristian, so he can misuse the trust he would be given, from the cristian right. But he is NO cristian as I se it.. He lie, bribe, cheat and kill. No cristian with coincidence would dear, or be willing to do that, the fear of destroying your own soul would be to big... This man is not a cristian. He may claim, but are not... But I am sure, he is worshiping something... :mad:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[Kitty Herder]

20. The so-called "Patriot Act" was my breaking point.

That was when I realized that the Bush agenda was a fascistic agenda. And the fucking congress passed the damned thing. That made me feel that there were no more checks and balances to protect us from an executive branch gone mad.

I hadn't been very political before that(I was 24 at the time.) Sure, I had liberal political opinions, and hated W. from the get-go, but the passage of the Patriot Act sort of awakened me from a slumber and made me passionate about politics.