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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:46 AM
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After 7 years of my way or the highway Hagel now says we have to work together?
Hagel had 7 years to be on the talk shows talking this crap. Why did he wait until now?

Hint: I don't trust Republicans and I am not falling for their crap any more.

Are you?

Don
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:51 AM
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1. Never have fell for it
If it wasn't for some of them being our friends, brothers, sisters and possibly parents we'd be killing them like snakes. thats all
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:54 AM
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2. Many republicans couldn't voice opposition
without the republican slime machine and party apparatus turning on them. Cowardice? Maybe.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:55 AM
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3. I hate to say this, but Hagel and Luger have expressed displeasure for years with
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 07:55 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Shrub's handling of Iraq.

Just do a search.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:04 AM
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4. If Hagel and Luger had joined with the Dems when it counted the Iraq occupation would be over now
May have never even began?

Talk is cheap.

Don't need to do a search to know that.

Don
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:16 AM
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6. Amen...n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:50 AM
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9. The war was such a great issue to bust over the Democrats' heads
An excuse to question "our" patriotism, all based on some foggy recollection of losing in Vietnam.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:55 AM
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10. you have a definite point there....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:42 AM
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14. Not really.
Those two were working closely with Senator Biden on a bill that would have prevented the rush to war. The Bush administration was upset, because they were getting bipartisan support. The administration relied upon Rep. Dick Gephardt to block this effort. The details are documented in Corn & Isikoff's book "Hubris." Off the top of my head, I think that pages 126 to 128 would be of interest to anyone who is interested in the truth on this matter.

Hagel is wrong on many, many issues. But the simple fact is that he has been a braver and more outspoken opponent on the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq than most of the democrats who were in either the House or Senate from 2003 on.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:36 AM
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13. WTF are you talking about? What more is he supposed to do, set himself
on fire on the Capitol steps in protest? He's done more than most Democrats. He's cosponsored legislation to end the war, he stripped language from the original IWR to keep Chimpy from invading Iran and Syria, he's warned Bush against striking Iran, and he's been more vocal about Iraq and the damage it's doing to the military than almost anybody in the Senate on both sides of the aisle. Why do you think his own party hates him? Jesus Christ, give me a break.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:52 AM
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16. Which Dems are you referring to?
Most of our "representatives" were worse war-enablers than Chuck.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:13 AM
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5. Evidently he didn't disagree enough to quit the GOP, did he?
Too little, too late, Chuck.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:53 AM
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24. Maybe because
he is foolish enough to think that what a man does matters more than party affiliation.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:36 AM
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7. My motto: Never Trust A Republican - this motto has served me well -eom
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:55 AM
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17. Yep. I live by that credo also. Only a weasel would sign up for membership
of the party of death, sickness, war, greed, authoritarianism, deception, and corruption.

Many friends and acquaintances wonder how my political predictions can have such a high percentage of accuracy. I hear, "Well, you were right" a lot.

But the only reason my predictions are often accurate is because I know that republicans will almost always lie and do the most despicable, underhanded thing possible in any given situation.

It's almost as infallible as a mathematical formula.

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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:46 AM
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8. Lies and deception are a way of life for those assholes.



The Y2K selection proved that point and they have been reaffirming the point ever since.



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:56 AM
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11. To his credit..
He was one of very few Repubs to publically speak out against Bush and the war. Perhaps he should have done more, but give him a little due.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:43 AM
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15. Correct. n/t
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:19 AM
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12. fuck a chuck hagel.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:09 AM
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18. Not me
I agree with you. If he was sincere he would have spoken up in this way to REPUBLICANS a few years ago.
IMO since he's retiring he's making himself a viable 'political expert' for cable news.

And I think his vanity doesn't want him to be remembered as one of the blind GOP followers when it's obvious a big change is coming even though he clearly supports all the other very conservative causes.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:13 AM
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19. Hagel was the first repub that I heard defend...
dissension as patriotism. I believe it was one of the Sunday morning shows. I know he may have gotten into office with the help of voting machines, but he was quite vocal about our right and duty to question the president. At least when I saw him on TV.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:17 AM
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21. He earned his Senate seat. Nebraskans have never questioned
his integrity in winning his elections--just internet rumormongers.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:32 AM
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22. I apologize for perpuating that rumor then...
when I posted that, I questioned whether to put that in, but I heard it enough, that I added it. He never struck me as the type, and I will also add that he was the first repub that I ever felt I consider voting for. He was saying things that I wished more Dems would say prior to, and during the war. And he was one of the few, non-chickenhawks speaking out.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:57 AM
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23. That's OK. I always feel the need to refute it, because I hate to see
someone get an unfair rap, over and over, when he doesn't deserve it. Owning stock in the parent company of a voting-machine company doesn't mean you rigged your elections, and no one in Nebraska or in the Senate thinks he did, but it's asserted as fact on the internet by people who don't live in this state. It's a really serious charge to make against a sitting Senator with nothing but connect-the-dots suspicion to back it up.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:14 AM
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20. Typical republi-speak
THEY have NO problem with bullying, but when they lose the majority, they all want to "play nice"..

Sadly, dems HAVE been playing their game for decades.. and that's why we are in such a mess..

If we win big.. the public needs to be TOLD..in no uncertain terms.. that

Conservatism/reactionary thinking of the better part of 3 decades is what's ailing our country..and it's gonna stop..

We have had a chronic case of republican pneumonia since the late 70's.. We have been coughing up nasty stuff for years, but never getting rid of it..

It's time to "take the cure" and get rid of it PERMANENTLY...



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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:56 AM
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25. like they are not to blame for partisanship....bwahahahahaaa
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:10 PM
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26. You know Republicans are screwed when they start reaching out the hand of friendship.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 12:11 PM by Perry Logan
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:15 PM
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28. The ones who fall for that hand of friendship are ether fools or have brains ate up by booze
Because history has shown time and time again that in their other hand is a knife.

Don
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:49 PM
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27. And yet some here are pushing an Obama-Hagel ticket.
Just amazing.

Bake
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