John Scott of Green 960 is NOW discussing the Randi Rhodes suspension. LISTEN LIVE:

[BuyingThyme]

Scott is the program director at the San Francisco AAR affiliate which hosted the (off-air) event at which Randi made the controversial remarks which resulted in her suspension.

Stream here:

http://www.green960.com/main.html

Remarks here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x113908

Direct stream URL:

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st

[saracat]

1. Who cares? She should be fired.If Imus was fired, Randi should be.

[BuyingThyme]

2. Should I be?

[MadBadger]

3. Imus was on air, Randi wasnt.

Apples and Oranges.

[saracat]

4. She was in public . I remember when we went after the general for the homphobic remarks made while

in public. Same difference.Unacceptable.

[MadBadger]

9. So does Randi hate women now because she called two women a whore?

[saracat]

11. She sure doesn't respect them or herself. She must feel no self worth.

Madeleine Albright has some very special words for women such as randi. She is quite sad really.

[rainy]

5. I haven't been paying attention. What did she say?

[BuyingThyme]

6. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x113908

[doc03]

61. Suspended from AA big f-----g deal, after Obama's

loss in November AA will be history anyway. From her language I would say she is trash and a whore.

[BuyingThyme]

7. ..

[apocalypsehow]

8. The glee with which HRC boosters are greeting the silencing of a progressive voice is very telling.

Though I don't agree with what Randi Rhodes said, the eagerness to silence a progressive woman's voice belies all this concern about "sexism" they're always burbling about.

[zalinda]

12. And, if she had said something like

fucking n****r about Obama or Wright, would you still have the same attitude?

zalinda

[saracat]

13. Now that would be "unacceptable" They would call for tar and feathering her then!

[jgraz]

14. Yeah, that's comparable

:eyes:

[saracat]

16. Actually it is, but then racism is always soo much worse than sexism to some.Sexism isn't even worth

noticing to some.

[jgraz]

25. Actually, it's not even close. I can't believe this needs to be explained once again

At this point, whore is almost a gender-neutral term (I've used it consistently for folks like Tweety and LIEberman).

Even if I grant that it is sexist, it doesn't carry nearly the shock value or weight of history that ni**er does. Perhaps if Randi had called Hillary a c*nt, you might have a point. Of course, if Randi had done that, she'd have been fired immediately.

Not everything has an easy black/white yes/no answer. The real world is complex.

[saracat]

31. Yeah like "pimping out" a girl is gender neutral to some as well.

And some have the nerve to refer to an implied "racial subtext"? But an implied "sexist subtext' doesn't matter? Like I said, the N word just means "black" but no one would interpet it that way or make excuses for its use.

[jgraz]

55. You stopped making sense several posts ago

[WilyWondr]

56. Have you ever heard of "Pimp my Ride" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp_My_Ride

The N word does not mean "black".

[zalinda]

19. You don't think that it's comparable?

Both are denigrating, and I don't see where one is better than the other.

zalinda

[jgraz]

27. Then you have an extremely simplistic view of this issue

No one is arguing that the "whore" isn't denegrating. It's about a matter of degreee. Do you agree that it would have been worse if Randi had called Hillary a c*nt? If so, then you're beginning to understand a bit of the complexity behind this issue.

[Texas Hill Country]

52. actually, i think it is comparable, and your attitude that it is not shows just how big a prob it is

[WilyWondr]

18. Apples and oranges

I have been posting this definition for 2 days because it seems alot of people have no idea WTF "whore" means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whore
whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

Do you offended people think she was saying that Ferraro was prostitute or that she was sexually promiscuous?


Do a google news search for "whore" and see how many stories come up about prostitutes and how many come out about a person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain?

You are projecting your definition of "whore" onto Randi's definition of "whore".

[saracat]

21. And the common usage of the word is the first definition and the N word also only means "black"

so is that acceptable to you as well?

[illumn8d]

32. There is no equivalency here

The n word is only a slur, and has no other meaning in contemporary English.

[jgraz]

35. You're defining the most offensive racial slur in English by looking it up in the dictionary???

Have you EVER had ANY first-hand experience with racism in your life? If so, did it have even the slightest impact on you?

[saracat]

38. Have you ever had any with sexism? And has it ever han an effect on you?

It is obvious you see racism as important and sexism as nothing.

[jgraz]

44. It's obvious that you're blinded by your hatred of anything that criticizes Hillary

Does your mind have any capacity to understand shades of grey? Or are you only capable of thinking in absolutes?

[JuniperLea]

41. The dictionary is your friend... and it's updated every year...

So, yes, that would be the proper place to find a definition.

:eyes:

[jgraz]

47. The dictionary is not a substitute for actual understanding

And knowing the definition of a word is not a substitute for personal experience with the concept that word represents.

[JuniperLea]

48. Did you read your own post??

So, you think people should be able to define any word any way they choose?

:eyes:

That's nonsense.

Now THIS is a DUZY!!!

[jgraz]

54. OK, I tried to explain this in a way you would understand

That didn't work. Let's try another way:

When you purport to understand the weight and power and pain associated with a virulent racial slur by looking it up in the dictionary, you come off like a sad, sheltered little white boy who has no idea how life really works.


Did that make more sense to you?

[JuniperLea]

58. Your insults and condescension don't work here...

And your explanation is totally ridiculous.

The various dictionaries we have access to, written in the English language, are the definitive source for word definitions. If you cannot understand the meaning of a word by reading the exacting definition in a dictionary, you are lost.

For the last time, I am NOT a white boy! Jesus!

We were discussing the definition of a word. No one ever purported to understand the weight and power or pain associated with a word by reading a definition. And your previous comment was convoluted at best... you should go back and read it again, like I said before.

Your desire to slam your fellow DUer has clearly overpowered your command of common sense and decency.

[jgraz]

62. Oh goody, now you play the victim

I love it. You start out dripping in condescension and openly laughing at my post and then you cry because I hurt your widdle feelings. Does that strike you as a tad bit hypocritical?

Aside from the passive-aggressive bullshit, I take it that your latest response is that you're just not capable of gleaning context from a discussion. None of us were talking about word definitions -- we were talking about effect. Maybe you could go read it again. If you still don't get it, check back here and we'll try to find someone to explain it to you.

[WilyWondr]

60. and when you are a

person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain and someone calls you a "whore" they would be 100% correct.

Tell me when it would be correct, in your mind, to use the N word to describe someone?

The N word is only offensive slang.

[jgraz]

63. Well, I'll argue that whore is offensive and intentionally so

It's just not always sexist, depending on the context. I'm a big fan of calling a whore a whore, though I usually find myself using it against men.

[JuniperLea]

49. LOL!

I just read this again... surely you jest!

:rofl:

[jgraz]

64. Yeah, and I'm the condescending one

:nopity:

[WilyWondr]

37. U R not being serious R U?

From the first 10 stories found when searching google news for the word "whore"

http://www.pitch.com/2008-04-03/news/fox-4-s-shawn-edwards-isn-t-just-a-blurb-whore/

Why, just a couple of months before being named a "Best Critic," was he also named 2007's "Whore of the Year"? Edwards speaks in superlatives. Like most critics, his conversation reels through favorite movies, obscure titles and the names of who directed what. Unlike most, though, he's also big on industry dish: buzz, box-office numbers, the stuff he follows in Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter.

http://www.chelseapies.tv/2008/04/publicity_whore_gordon_brown_j.html

On the back of the unbelievably over hyped Ashley Cole incident, The PM has said captains should also be booked if they failed to control their players. "Whether they like it or not, our footballers have a greater responsibility than anyone else, because they are so idolised and respected by our young people," he said in the Sun. "It makes it so much harder for parents, schools, the police and the government to teach respect and tackle anti-social behaviour if some of our children's biggest role models are teaching them the opposite."

Go search for the N word and see WTF you get.

[zalinda]

29. Of course, that's what she was saying

She didn't say political whore, she said whore............big difference.

Whenever you say a woman's name and whore in the same sentence, or when you say a black person's name and n****r in the same sentence, you have to expect some fall out. She screwed up.

zalinda

[WilyWondr]

45. Wake up

whore and n* are not even in the same ballpark.

So you honestly believe that she was saying that Ferraro was

a) a prostitute
b) sexually permiscuous

Which one? and why would you think she was saying anything about her sexuality?

I have no doubt that she was not uses either of those 2 definitions.

[zalinda]

53. What's the use.............

If you say nigger you are a racist, if you say whore it is some how elevated? It used to be that whore and nigger where on the same playing field, both were offensive. But now, it seems when it comes to denigrating women we have to go one step further and call them a cunt, before it is offensive?

If you are a woman walking down the street and someone calls you a whore, you feel the same denigration and fear that a black person feels when someone calls them a nigger. The fact that there is recent usage of the word whore does not take away the denigration and fear.

zalinda

[JuniperLea]

39. Merriam Webster agrees...

Main Entry: 1whore
Pronunciation: \ˈhȯr, ˈhu̇r\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hōre; akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer, Latin carus dear — more at charity
Date: before 12th century
1: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3: a venal or unscrupulous person

[saracat]

15. And constantly calling for Hillary to "shut up" is not silencing a progressive voice?

Hillary has done more for women and children around the world than Randi will even think about doing. Randi is not a "real progressive voice" She is a left wing Limbaugh.She has definately lost it.

[BuyingThyme]

17. No, constantly calling for Hillary to "shut up" is not silencing a progressive voice.

It's not silencing anything.

[WilyWondr]

22. The DLC needs to be silenced

and that is what is happening this primary season..

..but don't expect them to go quietly.

[saracat]

24. As the DLC is sponsoring Obama, I don't see that they are being quiet.

And if you don't think that is true , you are in for a really rude awakening.

[BuyingThyme]

26. Hillary is DLC. That's her identity. Won't change.

[saracat]

36. And all the DLC is behind barack. You might check that out. They have been since

the beginning. He espoused their philosophies. Al From adores barack, Google it. Janet Napolitano is a huge DLCer .she has campaigned and endoresed Barack.

[BuyingThyme]

40. It's a good thing he disassociated himself from them as soon as

they put his name on their website without permission.

[WilyWondr]

50. DLC's American Dream Initiative

Harold Ford, Jr. is chairman of the DLC. U.S. Sen. Tom Carper is vice chair of the DLC; U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative; Al From is founder and CEO of the DLC.

[cali]

23. I'm not a hillary supporter. I've listened to her a few times and I can't fucking stand her

Bouncing boobies is about as progressive as cat vomit. Abusing callers isn't progressive either. She's an asshole.

[Cleita]

33. After your assessment of Randi, I really like

her now.

[JuniperLea]

59. LOL!

That's really funny, because for the first time probably ever, I agree with cali... and I was just trying to find words that would express that without... oh, never mind... that thought would only get this post deleted:)

I may go vomit now... so violently I may bounce my boobies.

[timtom]

10. listening right now

thanx.

[BuyingThyme]

20. John Scott just got a call from the AAR "CEO."

(And Randi?)

[tpsbmam]

28. Accckkkkk....I can't get it to load. Anyone willing to just convey the gist? TIA! n/t

[BuyingThyme]

30. John Scott just talked to Randi, apparently in regards to legal action

going on behind the scenes with the support of people around the community and industry.

[BuyingThyme]

34. The show has gone into overtime. You can still listen.

[BuyingThyme]

42. Over.

[Cleita]

43. I hope Mike Malloy interviews her.

That will be good radio and should shut up some of the Randi haters on this board.

I know Randi rubs people the wrong way at times because she's a strong woman who doesn't "know her place". And if a woman can't call another woman, whom we all know is selling out what liberals stand for, a political whore, then we might as well step back into Queen Victoria's bedroom before we can loosen our corsets and speak up.

[BuyingThyme]

46. I wonder if her contract would allow for that.

That would be good radio.

[Cleita]

51. Something that Sam Seder said about

hoping he would not be there tomorrow, leads me to believe that Randi and the bosses are having some knock down, drag out negotiations. Maybe they want her to apologize and maybe she doesn't want to. If she refuses and they can her, then there is no contract and she can say anything she wants to on Malloy's show. They are good friends.

[Hieronymus]

57. Randi is trashy. I won't pretend to defend Hillary or Geraldine, but I'm ..

certainly not sorry to see Randi go. Hopefully, Sam Seder will replace her permanently.