I am no longer posting in GDP but...the day we silence liberals on radio and not go after rush ect

[greenbriar]

is a sad day for us all.


Randi maybe stepped over the line, but...


RUSH DOES IT EVERY SINGLE DAY

and all people say is "he is too big...too many sponsors to take him down"

I call crap on that


its time to act against the enemy, not people from our own party!!!

[tekisui]

1. Head-hunting.

It reeks of sliding towards fascism. Bill Clinton even said himself, you shouldn't be in politics if you can't handle getting clipped.

They want it both ways.

[niceypoo]

2. She sounded like Ann Coulter last time I listened to her...

...if she wants to be like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh and spew hate towards Democrats, let her get a job on EIB.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. What utter bullshit

Ann Coulter doesn't even have a radio show.

How do you know what she sounds like on the air?

[niceypoo]

9. She was ranting about ...

...how "women shouldn't be allowed to run for president because they have the wrong hormones."

Then a Clinton supporter called up and she basically called her a moron, not for anything she said, but merely because she supported Clinton.

She sounded exactly like Ann Coulter

We have three republicans in this race now.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Well I agree with her about Hillary

:)

[niceypoo]

22. I agree with her on a million things...

...but when she starts openly spewing hate, particularily towards her listeners, or other democrats, she goes bye bye.

If I wanted to hear that I would tune into the EIB

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Well unless you had been invited to that private fundraiser in SF,

you wouldn't have heard what she said. SHE WASN'T ON THE AIR.

[mondo joe]

32. Like if you weren't there for the "Macaca" comment you wouldn't have heard -

but it was shared online.

[PeaceNikki]

3. I think we should expect better from our "mouthpieces".

Comparing Geraldine Ferraro to David Duke and calling 2 powerful women in the Democratic party "fucking whores" is disgusting and should not be defended.

:barf:

[Breeze54]

5. All politicians are whores.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Some more than others

Randi speaks the truth.

[niceypoo]

13. This is what Obama, 'support' has turned into...

...hate

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. And Hillary lies while her supporters become even more fanatical

and ignore her dishonesty.

[niceypoo]

24. So, in your mind, this justifies hatred?

Hypocrite

Fanaticism is what got Randi fired

There are now three republicans in this race, pick your poison

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. It justifies speaking out against Hillary

She is a liar and she is deeply in Corporate America's pocket.

But hey, if that's what you want in a president . . .

I think we can do better. Randi spoke the truth.

It's a matter of limited choices. One candidate is better than the other two.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. But Rush can call Chelsea a dog

and get even more popular.

And DOn Imus can call African American women nappy headed hoes and get a new job.

That's America!!

[PeaceNikki]

8. Sure they "can". And their employers "can" punish them any way they see fit.

Or not.

Viva America.

[Breeze54]

11. Really? So you advocate employers firing you for what you say when not at work?

Don't you really mean Viva Fascism?

[PeaceNikki]

14. She was appearing on behalf of AAR.

http://airamerica.com/blog/2008/apr/03/statement-air-america-radio-chair-charlie-kireker-1
STATEMENT OF AIR AMERICA RADIO, FROM CHAIR CHARLIE KIREKER
By air america

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 3, 2008

New York - Air America has suspended on-air host Randi Rhodes for making inappropriate statements about prominent figures, including Senator Hillary Clinton, at a recent public appearance on behalf of Air America in San Francisco which was sponsored by an Air America affiliate station.

"Air America encourages strong opinions about public affairs but does not condone such abusive, ad hominem language by our Hosts," said chair Charlie Kireker.

[Breeze54]

18. It was NOT on AAR's behalf... it was her own gig. Even Bill Press agree's with that!

AAR is lying about that. It was a gig sponsored by one of the
stations they are affiliated with but it was NOT an AAR gig at all.

[PeaceNikki]

23. At an event with my employers name anywhere near it, I expect they could hold me to standards

I don't see that as fascism as much as common sense.

Again, I can't see how calling 2 powerful women in the Democratic party "fucking whores" and comparing one to a clansman should not be defended. In any way. It's reprehensible.

[mondo joe]

28. I'd suggest everyone stop refering to AAR as Randi's employer. That is not their

relationship - they have a contractual agreement.

[Breeze54]

35. AAR's name wasn't near it. She was on her own time.

Ferraro sure sounds like a 'closet' KKK and she refuses to apologize.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. More bullshit

She was appearing on behalf of an affiliate, not AAR.

She also made the same comments many times for months before she got in trouble. I heard a guy call Mike Malloy last night who was on her cruise recently and she did the same routine on the cruise while her bosses were in the audience. And they laughed.

This is utter crap. She is being silenced. Wake up.

[Ninga]

15. Thank you for putting the issue into the proper perspective. What happened to Randi

was her bosses call.

If her boss wanted to look the other way, he would have, but didn't.

Randi knows FULL WELL that her boss is a Clinton supporter, and she CHOSE to use denigrating language about Hillary the person. That is not called for. Let's denigrate Hillary about her judgment, and call her on the carpet about her views and behavior, but let's leave the slurs and gutter language to Rush.

Randi invited her boss to slap her on the wrist, and he did.

[Breeze54]

19. I hope your boss doesn't 'punish' you for what you say OFF the clock!

:eyes:

[mondo joe]

27. Randi isn't an employee on or off the clock - she has a contract with AAR, which they

both consented to.

This either was or wasn't consistent with the terms of the contract - I don't know since I don't know the contract.

[Breeze54]

37. You know what I meant...

;)

[mondo joe]

41. I know what you meant, but it is a very different relationship than employer/employee.

RR and AAR agreed to a contract, the terms of which are not generally known. They'll have to work out what this means in light of that.

They do not have an employer/employee relationship.

[Breeze54]

45. My POINT was that no (contract) employer should be censoring what anyone does away from work!

Or any other employer, contract or not, should be dictating what anyone says away from the job!

On their own time!

I don't need you to retype what you've already posted at least four times. I already read it.

[mondo joe]

49. Depends on the terms of the contract, which is different than employment.

Employers shouldn't be able to fire people for things they do off the clock.

Contracts, however, can cover anything the two parties agree to.

[Breeze54]

51. Oh brother....

:eyes:

[mondo joe]

53. I don't know why you conflate employment with a mutually agreed contract. They're not the same.

Two parties can contract to almost anything, including conduct.

[Breeze54]

55. You are being obtuse.

I'm not going argue contract employment with you, when my point was quite a simple one.

Find someone else to have your contract argument with this AM. It's a moot point, afaics.

[mondo joe]

56. Randi sells a product, AAR buys it, and they contract for it. This is not employment.

If RR didn't like a contract she shouldn't sign it.

[Breeze54]

57. I ALREADY AGREED WITH YOU BUT I WORKED CONTRACTS AND I HAD A BOSS!!!

Gheesh!!

[mondo joe]

58. You were not an employee, however, and employment law doesn't govern contracts like RR's.

She not just a contract worker - she's selling a product.

It would be a very unusual contract in that regard to not cover conduct.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. And her boss can laugh at the same remarks a few months ago

and that's okay.

You don't have all the facts here.

[Ninga]

46. OK, when was the first time Randi used "fucking whore" when speaking about

Clinton? Are you saying her gig in San Fran was not the first time?

And if you are right, and Randi used those terms previously, how do you know if her boss called her on the carpet and said "don't use those terms again" and so maybe she did a "fuck you" to her boss and used those terms again.


So, tell me all the facts.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Yes it is the same routine she had been doing for months OFF THE AIR

AT PRIVATE EVENTS. And her boss was in the audience and heard her and LAUGHED.

All of a sudden, it wasn't okay anymore. Go figure.

[Breeze54]

54. She said with her hand on her hip, pointing her finger in my face; "Prove it!"

WAH!!!

What are you like six years old?

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. You need to listen to Mike Malloy

He discussed it thoroughly last night. He also had a caller who had been on the AAR cruise and at the event in SF on Sunday who said she did the same routine both times. And her AAR bosses were there and said NOTHING. Then all of a sudden, her routine was a problem on Sunday?

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. Probably because so many DUers and other liberals are listening to Rush

It seems that almost every day there is a thread here about the some outrageous thing he has said.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. He is going to be our only choice to listen to here before long

Our great progressive voices are going away, one by one.

I listened to Rush about 10 minutes yesterday. He supports Hillary. There are DUers who would have loved what he was saying. SO you bet he has listeners here.

[mondo joe]

12. We've tried to silence Rush. AAR has better standards than Clear Channel.

[Sweet Pea]

25. Its a pure and simple case...

of the pot calling the kettle black.

As far as Randi is concerned with what she called Clinton and Ferraro, it takes one to know one.

She really has become simply disgusting, right across the board. No questions. I hope her lard ass is fired.

[Breeze54]

40. Ha ha ha ha ha!

:P

She has a contract. She isn't an 'employee' (see Mondo Joe's post) and why would such a good little liberal, such as yourself, want to permanently silence another liberal's voice because you don't like what she said about your candidate? You don't sound very 'liberal' or progressive to me.

[Sweet Pea]

60. Breeze,

One can be solidly progressive and liberal without being an ass hole and speaking like one. Perhaps your definition of progressive includes being an ass wipe, but mine doesn't. Randi Rhodes opened her toilet mouth and the sepctic tank that is her brain poured out. I have listened to her many, many times on XM and I never did like any of the things/crap she brought up as "humerous", mostly because they put the left and the progressive movement in such a bad light. If that is what you like and if that is what you think will win back the hearts and minds and votes of the population, knock yourself out babe.

[Breeze54]

63. Randi is more liberal and progressive than you'll ever be

with that narrow minded thinking.

She's been a catalyst to get people energized and up in arms against the BS of the GOP and Iraq!

If you are that offended by fucking and whore words, then how come you also spew vile language?

I guess it's OK when you do it but not for Randi? Talk about two faced!!

[Ordr]

26. Why are we going after ANYONE???

There's this concept called "free speech" that people seem to forget is just as important for people with dissenting viewpoints as it is for those who we agree with.

[mondo joe]

29. I didn't know that we ARE gong after anyone. This was AAR's decision, presumably

consistent with their contract with RR.

That has nothing to do with free speech however - no one's free speech guarantees them a radio show.

[Ordr]

31. I agree that it isn't guaranteed.

I'm mostly irritated by the shrill hysteria on DU from some people who do want people fired because of things that are said simply because they disagree with the viewpoint.

[mondo joe]

34. Well that's nothing new.

People have wanted Rush Limbaugh "fired", and Don Imus, and many more too.

In none of these cases, however, does it amount to "firing". They all have contractual arrangements, the terms of which they have agreed to.

[Ordr]

38. None of us know what those contracts say.

I do know, though, that what Imus said was expected and allowed under his contract which is why he'll be getting tens of millions in a settlement.

[mondo joe]

39. Agreed - we don't know the terms of the contracts.

But that has never stopped DU from calling for someone to be off the air.

It just happens that that person is now someone many of us generally like.

[Ordr]

42. Yeah.

It just generally stinks, in my opinion.
As much as I can't stand what Limbaugh and other blowhards say, I'd never call for their firing or suspension.

[mondo joe]

44. I think back to the Don Imus situation.

At the time my feeling was what he said was objectionable, but calling for him to be taken off the air contributed to setting a standard in public discourse in which anything objectionable would be silenced.

I also felt it was a contractual matter and they'd settle it as they saw fit.

This, to me, seems in keeping with that.

[Ordr]

47. Yes, you're right about it setting a standard.

A dangerous one, in my opinion. It really is almost exclusively the "left" (I use quotations because I don't believe for a second these people are who they claim) calling for people to be silenced in media now. It's frightening.

[mondo joe]

48. Well, IMO, the political continuum isn't a line, but a circle in which the ends meet

up.

If you know what I mean.

[Ordr]

50. Absolutely.

And it reminds me of Uroboros.

[slater71]

43. Limpballs wondered why Richardson was still walking around.

Yes, he said yesterday that that Bill Richardson was still 'walking around" after not supporting Hillary and that the Clinton's must be losing it.

[mmonk]

59. I've seen a lot of weak comparisons about Randi's

private event with what others say on the air for public consumption or what politicians and political operatives say. Bottom line, this is bullying someone out of a job. This is bullying a progressive talk show host about something said in private versus the daily insults and bilge that come from rightwing talk show hosts and TV pundits. If you think this is proper, your obsessions over political figures and putting them on a pedestal have taken you over. This is silencing criticism. This is also about public figures seeking the highest office and power.

[Kitty Herder]

62. You're right about Rush doing it every single day. And I'll be pissed if they fire Randi.

But I think a little time out isn't out of order. Even though I agreed with what she said, though I wouldn't have used those particular words. (Except maybe in the privacy of my own home when talking to my cats. They don't care.)