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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:56 AM
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98% of historians say Bush is a failure - 61% say he's the worst president ever
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html">HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.



Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.

The reason for the hesitancy some historians had in categorizing the Bush presidency as the worst ever, which led them to place it instead in the “nearly the worst” group, was well expressed by another historian who said, “It is a bit too early to judge whether Bush's presidency is the worst ever, though it certainly has a shot to take the title. Without a doubt, it is among the worst.”

“No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”

“With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct,” said another historian. “When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point—rightly—to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of area: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life.”

One historian indicated that his reason for rating Bush as worst is that the current president combines traits of some of his failed predecessors: “the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover. . . . . God willing, this will go down as the nadir of American politics.” Another classified Bush as “an ideologue who got the nation into a totally unnecessary war, and has broken the Constitution more often than even Nixon. He is not a conservative, nor a Christian, just an immoral man . . . .” Still another remarked that Bush’s “denial of any personal responsibility can only be described as silly.”

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

“George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”


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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:01 AM
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1. yow - so I wonder how they really feel about junior . . .
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:13 AM
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2. Dick Gephardt got it exactly right, IMO, calling Bush "a miserable failure,"
and if anything, Gephardt was being charitable.

Franklin Pierce was a political failure, too, but was possessed of authentic brains and charm. He was likeable as a person and trusted by many. Bush enjoys none of that human-hood. So Pierce beats Dubya on human points alone. Pierce's wife refused to live in the White House. Bush's does live in the White House, but he's no better off for it than Pierce, IMO.

I don't think a strong case can be made for Harding, Buchanan, and Nixon either. In some order or another, they belong on a worst-ever list. Harding's presidency should be a film. Buchanan's should be blocked from human memory. For further information, contact the Betty Ford Clinic.

In more recent times, I can't think of anything positive about Poppy's administration. As for Ronnie, his sunny care-free public personna belied the death squads in El Salvador and other Central American nations which operated during his dark, hypocritical couple of terms. It was the ugly American, meaning U.S. American, armed and dangerous and lethal. You don't build trust by disappearing people. In Jackson Browne's surgically exact phrase, there were "lives in the balance."

We are a few months now away from the Denver convention, and we hope, increased and workable majorities in both chambers of the 111th Congress for the November general. There is the promise that we can do better than we're doing now.

Let's do it.


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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:43 AM
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3. Hey, OC. I was just looking for you over in the Lounge!
Been a while since I saw any of your posts.

This is a great post. I'm curious about Pres. Buchanan and your reference to the Betty Ford Clinic. Was he a druggie?

Good to see you're hanging in there with some hope coming out of Denver and going into the GE. I have some hope too. All this constant bashing gets me down, so I'm always happy to see an upbeat post for a change!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:43 PM
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17. Hi, CTyankee. No -- the Betty Ford reference was a
clumsy attempt to suggest that they offered a program for Memory Hole Therapy, which would be helpful to anyone forced to confront the administrations of bad presidents. I just screwed up the joke.

Good to see you as well. I hope spring is early for you and is loaded with daffodils and warm temps.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:32 PM
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15. In the first few years, I kept thinking that it couldn't be as bad as we were making it out,
and I thought that our opinion was just indicative of how much partisan hate we had, but I quit thinking that quite a while ago.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:41 PM
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16. Agree -- the Reagan Bush Bush slog has been a difficult road.
I'm exhausted listening to Dick Cheney lie through his teeth, for one thing.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:49 AM
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4. C'mon, all those historians you know are a bunch of radical leftists
The right wing still considers universities a threat to America.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:07 PM
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23. History's often got somewhat conservative people in it too
Especially compared to other disciplines. (I'm speaking as someone who's been studying and working in the field for some time, both in and out of universities.)

I'm less surprised to see obvious conservatism there than I would be in, say, philosophy or polisci or anthropology or English. I had a prof who'd post Kipling poetry on his office door all the time just to tweak the students and stuff like that. (He was also one of my favorite profs, anyway; kept his ideology out of the grading processes and had eidetic memory. That's a badass thing to have teaching about twentieth-century Europe when you've lived through most of it.)

When 98% of that crowd considers Bush a failure it's time to be impressed. ;)
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:51 AM
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5. What this tells me more than anything...
is that 1.8% of historians are bat-shit insane.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:04 AM
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8. I was thinking the same thing. Or paid off by bushco.
In fact, more than 2% of the country's historians are probably right-wingers who have been paid off by bushco, and even that wasn't enough for them to vote him a success!

When even your own stooges abandon you, you know you're a miserable failure!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:02 AM
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6. And the rest are lying. n/t
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:04 AM
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7. Who were the 2% who thought it was a success? Unless they mean "It was a success at being the worst
thing to every happen to this country."
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:38 AM
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9. You beat me to it....
:rofl: :rofl:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:50 AM
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13. No. Not All Historians Are Bright People
Look at Victor Davis Hanson. He's dumber than dirt, but he's a historian at Stanford.
The Professor
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:09 PM
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24. There's a certain flavor of economic historians who would like the guy
I know a few who are absolute economic determinists - all the problems in human history were attributable to socialism or a lack of capitalism; all the good in human history was a result of capitalism. Lousy lousy scholarship and wilful blindness to have that simplistic a worldview, but those ones tend to like any president who drops taxes and deregulates things and speaks the lingo of conservatism as long as they can keep ignoring the counterevidence.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:41 AM
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10. They're being too kind to BoobyaThe Frat
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:44 AM
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11. 1.8% teach at LIberty U. n/t
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:48 AM
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12. The other 1.8% are getting paid to write gushing books for his library
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:52 AM
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14. Worst. President*. Ever. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:29 PM
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18. Only 61 %..c'mon we can do better than that
:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:30 PM
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19. Why is there any blue on the left, and shouldn't the right be on the left?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:58 PM
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20. What Does That Say About His Base?
:rofl:
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StaceyDodd Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:19 PM
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21. the other 39%
who didn't say he is the worst are dense
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:28 PM
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22. Give it a few decades - a lot of them might come around.
I can understand the verdict being "too early to tell," but in terms of monumental incompetence, unnecessary loss of human life, etc., I don't see how any of our previous leaders could be worse than Dubya.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:26 PM
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25. More than just the most corrupt
More corruption than all predecessors combined.
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:46 PM
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26. Oh yeah, I'm K & R'ing this baby!
I had a gut feeling he would be the worst from the day he was installed. I could dance around and celebrate being right, but there's no joy to be had in this victory. :evilfrown:

WORST PRESIDENT EVVVVVEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:00 AM
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27. That 1.8 percent work for Regnery.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 12:11 AM by HughBeaumont
Home of the utterly batshit-insane and factually bankrupt Politically Incorrect Guide series, which is merely a vanity-press quality shitheap of revisionist bullshit designed to make the rich pink Christian patriarchy either heroic or victims to "them dirty savages" (i.e. poor folks, the salt, the have-nots, the untermensch).


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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:08 AM
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28. Well there you go--he *is so* a uniter--
how else do you get so many historians to agree on your awfulness without real effort? "Working hard." Indeed.

“The paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover"--the guy who said that gets a cigar.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:17 AM
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29. I thought it was just me
Living in a rural area of a red state I was worrying that maybe I was just a partisan for thinking 'this has got to be worse than Harding'. But apparently I'm not wrong. Its nice to be validated.

From the article:

One historian indicated that his reason for rating Bush as worst is that the current president combines traits of some of his failed predecessors: “the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover. . . . . God willing, this will go down as the nadir of American politics.” Another classified Bush as “an ideologue who got the nation into a totally unnecessary war, and has broken the Constitution more often than even Nixon. He is not a conservative, nor a Christian, just an immoral man . . . .” Still another remarked that Bush’s “denial of any personal responsibility can only be described as silly.”

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

“George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:31 AM
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30. Those 2 are oil company historians
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:40 AM
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31. Buncha librul academics
Who cares what they think?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:40 AM
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32. this is why Lynne Cheney tried to purge the field under Poppy?
getting too dangerously perceptive?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:18 AM
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33. If 9/11 had happened under President Gore we'd be well on our way to energy independence
9/11 made it abundantly clear that we need to stop funding the Saudis who then give that money to the people that attacked us. President Gore would have seized the opportunity and convinced the American People to make the sacrifices needed for energy independence.

Bush has done a lot of horrible things but what is even worse in some cases are the things that he didn't do.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:57 PM
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39. Actually, Nixon wanted energy independence
Actually, Nixon, for all his faults, was to the left of a lot of today's politicians. Imagine if we had gotten energy independence in the '70s.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:39 AM
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34. I tell ya...
Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious...

When I see stuff like this, it makes me wonder how on earth 54 million Americans voted for him in 2004. It boggles the mind.

I have long felt that every person who voted for Bush in 2004 should be rounded up and forced to do 200 hours of community service. The ones who voted for him in 2000, I give a little bit of a pass because there is a chance they may not have fully understood the foolishness they were about to unleash on the world. But the '04 voters - those are the ones I want to see picking up trash and working as elementary school crossing guards.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:15 AM
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35. Hold on...the McCain dude is following the footsteps for Chapter 2
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:20 AM
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38. Which is my opening political statement., when the subject comes up...
When I sense the conversation trending towards politics, I invariably say:

"Okay, anyone who voted for * in 2000, I'll consider misled.

"Anyone who voted for * in 2004, on the other hand, is an idiot.

"Still wanna talk politics?"
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:34 AM
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36. George W. Bush is the worst President in the multiverse of parallel universes of bad Presidents.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:04 AM
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37. I'm guessing that it's not only historians
who feel the same way. :rofl:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:22 PM
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40. There were plenty of others who could have been worse...
...but Americans were smarter then, and knew not to give any one man this much power.
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