This country's done

[nadinbrzezinski]

when we have BOTH Republicans and Democrats basically approving shutting people up because they said something that they don't like IN A SEMI PRIVATE SETTING it is over folks

I am highly distressed and disgusted, not to mention slightly scared.

It is coming to the time when we definitely will need to choose to shut up and live, or flee and speak as expats... yes Naomi Wolf is right.. the time is coming SOON.

The creeping fascism is accelerating, aided by short sighted partisans.

To think that at one time I believed that bunk that supposedly was this country

No.. it is not that

The only rule in this country that works is the golden rule

Aka those who have the gold, make the rules

Some may see this as an attack on the US... on what exist rights now absolutely.. after all the ideals died a while ago

We only pay them lip service, yes even here. After all the end justifies the means.

So who will be the last one to turn off the lights of what was once a great experiment?

Stick a fork, its done...

[madokie]

1. When I look out my window and see I'm surrounded will I even consider thinking its over

Thats what I think anyway

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Well now I understand FULLY how the Germans allowed

Hitler to do what he did...

And I never wanted to have that understanding...

It failed.. I fear it failed

[superkia]

31. I also thought that way about the germans in the past, how could...

they let it happen and now here we are in the same situation, heading down a dark scary path. The scariest part is their really is no defense unless EVERYONE joined together but from the Americans that I have lived around, thats not happening. The technology that the system has is one thing, then you have FEMA camps waiting to be filled, the constitution means nothing anymore, our troops(sons, daughters, mothers, fathers and friends who could help) are all stranded in Iraq forever, you have blackwater with a $15 billion contract to fight the imaginary war on drugs(police our streets during martial law) and now Canadian troops can come into our streets in the event of martial law.


I am happy though when I see some around DU that have a grip on the reality of what is taking place in our country, but we are outnumbered by those who think none of the above shows anything and bushs executive orders also dont raise flags with allot of those same people?

Good luck to us all!

[Name removed]

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[spanone]

19. not even then

[fed-up]

25. two fighter? jets went over my city an hour or so ago-Chico, CA nt

[lligrd]

2. I'm With You. I Am Totally Disgusted With Democrats

bashing the few willing to speak the truth while allowing others to lie freely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. It should be about COUNTRY, not party

but when politics becomes a damn football game, not life changing consequences, and my team vs yours...

I wonder where we as a nation failed? 2000? NO that's too late...

Surely historians will debate it though

[timtom]

26. I set 1963 as the launch date.

That's when the gloves came off. And too many folks, not wanting to think the unthinkable, believed the most comfortable story.

Now, in addition to the gloves, the mask has come off. But America remains in a state of denial. (present company excluded, that is)

[Robb]

5. CALL CONGRESS!! RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

A) I had to look all over to figure out what you're on about.

B) Meh.

C) There's no Constitutional right to a radio show.

D) If this is all it takes for you to declare us "done," don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It is more than just a radio show

if you miss that this is a FUCKING SYMPTOM OF WHAT IS WRONG I can't help you

creeping fascism... it has a name

Enjoy the boots, they are soon to come...

And I can't blame only repubs for it any longer, now can I?

[Robb]

7. You do understand

...most people don't know who Randi even is, right? Most U.S. citizens? Most voters?

Fascism may have been creeping for some time, but don't mistake this for some moment it isn't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. You do understand that fascism is like a boiled frog

First they came...

Oh never mind...

[lligrd]

13. Randi Is One Of The Extremely Few Who Have Been Willing To

speak up. You are the one who doesn't realize the importance of this event. It tells us how close to fascism we have already become and sadly, how even many of those we thought would stand against it instead swallow it whole just because it fits their agenda at the moment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I'm sure Naomi Wolf is gong... MARK

in the methods to this madness

[BeHereNow]

10. D'Nile aint just a river in Egypt.

You clearly have not been paying attention to the record number of
signing statements.

BHN

[Robb]

20. You're right

...I must've missed the signing statements. I also missed that there might be some misunderstandings overseas, the economy might be in trouble, and my civil liberties might've been eroding for some time.

Unfortunately, since I never listened to Randi, no one was there to tell me these things. So I really have no idea what's going on, because I've been watching American Idol and eating goddamn bon bons.

Thank goodness you're here to tell me that Randi's suspension (which I had to read about here) is between locusts and pale horsemen on the "we're fucked" scale.

*cough* :eyes:

[BeHereNow]

23. A VERY wise 78 year old mentor told me this- I have never forgotten it... He said,

"What we do to one, we do to all."

BHN

[TheWatcher]

39. "Misunderstandings" Overseas?

I hope you are being sarcastic here.

If not, please return to The Matrix. I'm sorry we disturbed your sleep. Or your grazing.

[Robb]

43. Welcome to DU. /nt

[TheWatcher]

44. Welcome to DU?

Rich. Very Rich. I've been here for almost five years.

No welcome required.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. But can I say HI

:hi:

And how are you doing?

[TheWatcher]

48. I'm feeling a bit cranky today nadin.

Suffering from a bit of a headache, but then again, if you keep up too much with what is going on, it's surprising that it has not exploded.

Thank You for asking though. :)

I hope you're doing well, and it's always good to see you posting.

I know it feels like screaming in the darkness sometimes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Well I pulled me olde back AGAIN

so it has been fun.

And yes, at times it does feel like screaming in the wilderness

Hell if this was ONLY Rhandi, without the history of the last seven years... of voices going silent, ok... some may have a point... decency contracts and all that.

But with the last seven years this just becomes part of the pattern

And as I pointed out today to somebody who was kind enough to explain this is the way the industry works and it has decency standards, well them standards were also used to remove critiques from the radio and press in Germany (as well as insert here other totalitarian states)

It just boggles the mind how so many people are truly incapable or unwilling to connect the damn dots!

Hope your headache gets better...

[TheWatcher]

51. Much of it is Superior Indifference.

Many do not want to know nadin. The perception of reality is much more important than seeing reality for what it is. It is much better to feel good and place blind faith that all will be well, that to acknowledge and embrace the warning signs.

And it is an excellent point. What you are illustrating is the PATTERN, not this isolated incident. We are all frogs in a pot of boiling water.

As I tend to keep saying, the Hard Rain is going to fall, but it is useless to offer many an umbrella, because they will look at you like you have six heads and ask you what the hell they need THAT for. Can't you see the sun is shining and the skies are blue for as far as they eye can see? They won't even realize they are getting wet.

It seems to me that the more obvious the parallels to 70 years ago become, the more visceral people's denial becomes.

I am afraid, my friend, that you are correct, as much as it saddens me to feel that way.

To make a spectacular understatement.....

This isn't going to end well.

But we must continue to live, fight, speak up, and, when the time comes, adapt, survive, and make a difference where we can.

The Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave has become The Land Of They Thought They Were Free, and the Home Of The Superiorly Indifferent.

Thank You for the Well Wishes. :)

Stay Safe and Stay Well yourself.

Shine On.....

[lonestarnot]

35. Was dat it?

Oh man... WTF? :shrug:

[TheWatcher]

38. Spoken like a Good German.

It seems all is well in The Land Of They Thought They Were Free.

[Uben]

8. If you're talking about Randi............

.........I think your nuts! Personally, I think celebrities need to be responsible for what they say and do. If they don't like it, they need to find a new profession. Calling a candidate a "fucking whore" in a public setting is irresponsible and trashy.
It would be no different than someone calling Obama the "N" word, which would also be irresponsible and trashy. If you want an America where this is common practice, I hope you never find it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Nah I am talking about the country, she's just a symptom of what we have

been seeing increasingly

This you are either with us or against us thinking has infected everything

And I have said it before, this will kill us... well I fear these are the last days of so-called freedom

Enjoy while the simulacrum remains

[BeHereNow]

14. I am not a Randi fan, OR a Clintonista groupie-

I am, however, a firm believer in calling a spade a spade.
I'd say Randi nailed it.

BHN

[Macarena]

12. as long as we

win the white house and congress all will be alright. We still have time ti undo the hell of the last 8 years

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Nah, given what happened in 2006 nope, that dog ain't hunting no more

sorry... impeachment is off the table... because it is not politically expedient

[BeHereNow]

17. Welcome to DU posting Macarena, wish I could share your optimism.

For several years, many of us have been discussing the
horrifying realization that BOTH parties are owned and beholden to
the interests of the mega-corporations, not to "WE, the people."

In other words, don't hold your breath on any real change in the
direction of this country if the democrats win-

BHN

[EFerrari]

18. Calma. Radio and TV have had language standards

since there was radio and teevee. Imho, you're reading much to much into this.

I agree about creeping fascism but a heavyhanded radio exec is not one of the signs of the Apocalypse. It's just business as usual. As you evidently don't believe me, poll other people you know who work in or with or around radio.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. It is not whether I believe you or not

but yes, I see this as just one more sign on that road... part of them trends

And yes, they used this as an excuse and the way it was done is a hit, classic hit

On edit, what worries me even more though is this apparent willingness to thrown anybody under the buss that does not agree with a certain orthodoxy... the ever so popular if you are not with us, you are against us

Oh and a piece of datum for you. German papers also suspended reporters under community standards in the 1930s, as well as prevented any oposing views from the radio

Yep, Naomi Wolf comes to mind

[blues90]

21. I tend to agree >

When you look at all the aspects of the things that have been allowed to go down the sewer just since bush stole the office your head begins to spin .

Look at the people who lost their jobs for displaying Dem bumper stickers or what the truckers are going through and how many jobs have been lost , this Iraq occupation , this list is endless and not one thing about this list is good , it just continues to get worse .

Things and issues jump from one thing to the next , we went from Walter Reed to something else in days and there is never an answer or one issue addressed .

What we are told is quite something else than reality .

I can't even remember what the subject was from one week to the next .

To think how things will ever be fixed is mind numbing as if they can be fixed .

We live in surreal world and those who see it have been hit hard in one way or another , the others just live in denile or are blind .

Now these primaries have taken front seat to all else .

You can have hope but that just carries you so far . The people in this country cannot get on the samw page to gather enough support to change one damn thing , that's the sad and sorry part as we stand divided .

[BeHereNow]

24. K&R

bhn

[blues90]

27. There are people like Howard Zinn and many others

Like Peter Werbe and Malloy , to many to list who all say it has to come from the people not some scam of a so called government who will make the changes . If the people continue to shit all over eachother and the government represents the corporations then nothing will even change .

These elections are not going to change a damn thing . If anyone thinks so then look at where we were just 40 yers ago and were we are now . You con't have to go back to the 1800's to see how things have gotton how they are now is this cess-pool .

DC is a bubble dome , a world within a country that is detached . Politicians are salesmen with deep pockets .

You get nowhere with a sterilized environment with an un-educated population or un- interested population .

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Add hartmann to that list

and I expect nothing, since Idol is on tonight (figure of speech of course)

[bdamomma]

34. I think sometimes we all have to call a spade a spade so to speak

all of us need to lay this on the table and call it fascism, and say it loud for those who are denial, and may be those in DC will realize that we are not so ignorant. 81% of Americans see that we are on the wrong track, call it for what it is fascism, out loud.

[blues90]

36. I wish I knew what the 81% represent as far as if they are in

trouble or just see things could be better .

[Orwellian_Ghost]

28. Perhaps

it has been this way from the moment the words, "This country", were iterated.

Just now that all the goodies that have been stolen from other people's lands are in short supply "this country" will be seen for what it has always been.



K&R

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. True...

but that is because we are the product of imperialism and the Empire is bout fall on its face

And I don't expect that to be nice. I expect a police state to be the final result, to be honest

[femrap]

33. How many people have called you

a 'f*cking whore' today? All people must be FREE to call women horrible names!!! On TV, on the radio, on stage, everywhere.

But no one may dare whisper that a man has a flaccid short penis....now that will put you in jail.

We are so 'Conquered and Divided' just like the Extremely Wealthy Elites wanted. This campaign should be: It's the Rothschild/Rockefellers, Stupid.

Now the younger women hate the older women. I'm disgusted with our culture. It deserves to die...and to be frank, I'm starting to think that our major problem is going to be food, water and shelter....and safety from marauding, angry, and hungry people. I hate the thought of getting a gun, but.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Of course it should be, but it won't be

and if you get a gun LEARN TO USE IT.

And ALWAYS ASSUME IT IS LOADED.

That is the PSA for gun safety of the day

:-)

As to people calling me names... happens all the time...

Truth be told though I will defend the idiots right to use them, and even laugh at a man for a flacid penis,

And that is partly our problem as well

Anyhoo... yes this culture is in trouble and for the division crowd, mission accomplished... and I hope they enjoy four more wars

[femrap]

57. I've taken the class for

carrying...but still have put off the buying.

And when have you heard a joke IN PUBLIC about a small dick? But fucking whore...didn't we just go thru this 'ho thing with Imus? And he was fired because the women were Black and he made a racial comment about their hair. What got me was the lack of sexism talk when this occurred.

One would be FIRED for the short dick comment...whore just gets you a suspension. Hell, there would probably be some misogynist in the crowd who would wait for the comic to leave so he could beat the shit out of him/her.

Hell, as far as I'm concerned, most of these damn wars are started because some guy's dick is too short or it doesn't work right.

I think the US is over...bankrupt. Done. I have no confidence in any of our 'leadership.' It's time to get LOCAL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. One name, ROBBIN WILLIAMS

watch him... and he has yet to get killed or harassed

In fact, for years his shtick was been about that dick of his... and how small that head is

Yes, there are issues with gender in comedy... and in society in general

But a suspention over somthing said OFF air, is unprecendented according to Stephanie Miller... your milage may vary, but given Hillary Fans are calling stations and producers trying to get her OFF the air, as well as Shultz, should tell you something, since both are critics of Hillary

In fact as far as I can tell, they are cut from the same cloth as bush bots.

It's over. If she managed to get the nom, who do you vote for? The four more wars fan, or the lets shut them up fan? Truly a lesser of the two evils not. This is what I've taken from this and looking for more info

And of course the but this is the way its done in the industry crowd and we have contracts and all... well I am reminded that it was the way it was also done in the German media in the 1930s.

If there was any hope (a tinny witty bit) that things would change with a Dem in the WH... it is gone.

[femrap]

78. Robin knows to make fun of only HIS dick....

no one else's.

If interested in looking at sex in our society, take a look at:

www.Iblamethepatriarchy.com with Aunt Twisty.

I have no idea of your age, but those of us over 50 fought long and hard for some of the rights that younger women yawn at...It's like 'deja-vu' for many of us. We fought to get rid of Playboy Clubs and now I live within a 1 mile radius of 4 strip clubs which women are only to willing to work at. I only wish there were good paying jobs for women who can be clothed.

And I can't believe you don't see the example being made of Randi...Put that bitch in her place, didn't it? Unprecedented? I've been fired for much less. If you don't see the sexism, you can't see the forest for the trees.

The Powers That Be...their most fun thing to do is watch a 'Cat Fight.' And now the older ones fight the younger ones. What Fools we are. I'm not calling in to have her suspended or fired. I wish she didn't feel the need to call her sisters 'fucking whores,' but I guess Randi wants to play in the Cat Fight all set up by the Rich White Boys.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. I'm not much younger than you

but I will take Stephanie Miller's word on this, given she works in the industry, that this is unprecedented.

By the way, big mama is your age

On edit, I have been fghitng the objectification of women in the industry I am involved in for YEARS, what am I saying now it's decades. so leave the preaching on the corner

Seen it... tasted it... have lost jobs over it

[femrap]

88. I am not familiar w/

big mama.

So if it is unprecedented, why is it a woman? I can't imagine that there isn't some Leftie boy out there who has said something similar.

So we are either are on the same side against the patriarchy or what? Do you think I wouldn't vote for BO for prez? Is that what this is about?

If you are in your 40's, there is a big difference between our outlooks...but nothing that can't be overcome.

I miss Janis Joplin and John Lennon. I hate what the US has become....we are horrid. And we are about to have our comeuppance. It pisses me off that so many innocent people will pay for the crimes of the elites.

Where is Robin Hood when ya need her?

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. I think part of your answer is... indeed

the fact that this is a woman. Why Rhodes and not somebody else?

By the way I didn't grow up in this country either,,, but guess what I do miss Lennon, Jannice Joplin and was listening to Simon and Garfunkel right now

I WAS on the leading edge of females ENTERING a profession they were not allowed to in my home country, before I moved to the states. Hell when I started we were the great experiment and had all kinds of magnifying glass on us.

So I have BEEN in the forefront OPENING DOORS... and damn it was so proud that they finally allowed a FEMALE cadet into the Air Force Academy of THAT country THIS YEAR... and that unlike other AF, they are not making the mistake of lowering physical training standards for her. FYI, as a training Officer I didn't either

I think you are making a classic assumption... we fought for these rights so you could enjoy them, and you have no idea what this is about, or hard it was. I do. Inplied in it is that you will never be grateful for what we did for you. It is a classic of people who are in movements. Hell, if I go back to the station and speak to the female kids today... I am sure they will have that look of SO that you don't like from younger kids.


So I think we have more in common than you think.

And why this is done TO A WOMAN is part of your answer... oh and also part of a pattern of increasing fascism

[femrap]

103. Yes...oppression of women is a part

of fascism.

When I was young, I was just amazed by the women who worked so hard for women to get the vote. And it was so sad to see Susan B. who worked her entire life for equality and did not live to see women get the vote. When Black men got the vote and then Frederick Douglas ridiculed her, well....it reminds me of today in a way.

I have a friend who grew up in what is now the Czech Republic...she just can't believe that the US is headed toward fascism. She is depressed and afraid.

I'm sure we have a lot in common...this primary gets on my nerves. I have been avoiding it, but then Randi's antics were hard to miss. I wonder if we'll even have an Election....I keep waiting for martial law but maybe the neocons have done all the damage they need to for now and will let a Dem try to clean it up....which will take longer than four years!

Sorry I was nasty...which country do you think would be the best one to move to now? I'm getting a passport...my expired a long time ago. Just in case 'they' decide to round up folks, I thought it might be wise.

[lonestarnot]

32. What else happened? I must have missed something, no?

[Sinistrous]

40. Whatever it was, I must have missed it too.

If you discover the magic key that makes this thread coherent, please PM me so I can enjoy it along with the rest of the cognoscenti who are reveling in whatever the dark secret is.

Without the magic key, this whole thread bears a strong resemblance to pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

Sinistrous

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. You missed so called liberals happy, even applauding

the silencing of a voice they don't agree with

The creeping fascism mostly

The old stand by of I may not agree with your words but by god I will defend them died on the altar of politics

At times I wish I was a dumb and happy murican, with a beer, watching idol... instead of fully aware of what is going on

At least then I MIGHT miss the worst of the terror to come

[paulk]

81. what's liberal about calling a woman a

"big fucking whore"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Given the term, like that, has been liberally applied to Rice

why the outrage all of a sudden?

[paulk]

97. what's liberal about calling a woman, any woman,

a "big fucking whore"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. Nobody said it was... just the timing of the outrage is... ahem

curious...

And by the way, I think we're done

I am seeing danger signs, and group think is not...

[mondo joe]

87. You mean like when DUers applaud someone being tombstoned on DU?

Is Skinner a fascist for banning speech on DU?

[Rex]

42. Well, we care far more about money than human lives.

Just look at how you have to pay to stay alive if you get sick. No health insurance? Don't get sick. This country ain't done...it will change into something sad and tragic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. There is that... and you will have many partisans applauding that

as well.

mark my words

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. ZOMG! I'm rending my garments and gnashing my teeth!

Gnash! Gnash!

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. First they came for...oh never mind this is usually

not understood by the denial crowd.

We ARE in deep shit

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. They say that the denial is one of the symptoms of alcoholism.

Unfortunately, it's also a symptom of NOT being an alcoholic.

I don't think that the country is coming to an end, I don't think that we're teetering on the brink of fascism and I don't think it's all over, because Randi was suspended for calling someone who is supported by half of AAR's listeners "a fucking whore". Randi has a problem for which she should seek help.

I know that, right now, everything seems like the biggest fucking deal in the universe, but not everything is. Only one thing is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. What part of this is not about Randhi but about a PATTERN are you

purposely missing?

It is a pattern that started with Donahue, and has not stopped

I wish I would live in your reality where the signs are there, but can safely be ignored.

If it was just her, then nobody would be worried, but those of us who have been seeing this evolve have noticed the pattern.

By the way, what do you have to say to aparent operators calling another network to ask their hosts to either tone it down or be taken off the air?

I know that is not a sign of fascism either.

[mondo joe]

68. If you want to see a pattern, you will, even if it's not there. NT

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. So you telling me that the last seven years

we have not seen a silencing of liberal voices?

Damn... ok

I guess all that has happened are just isolated incidents.

Historians one day will write about the American people and how they sat iddly by while their country sank into a police state, and ...

scratch their heads.

[mondo joe]

75. Yeah AAR is in a big conspiracy to silence liberal voices... by putting the on the air.

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. You can laugh all you want

[mondo joe]

80. I'm trying to take more seriously your suggestion that AAR is trying to silence liberal voices.

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. It is NOT AAR, though they are going more centrist and safe

it is the powers that be... again PATTERN

See how is on the air and who is not.

And if you think Lionel is a liberal voice... well then...

[mondo joe]

85. Again: There is no right to be broadcast. If enough people want Randi broadcast they

can pay for her to do so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. You realize that this is EXACTLY the logic used by the RIGHT WING

You know what this is? Just as the DEMS were STARTING to build an echo chamber, somebody is taking a gun, loading it... cocking it, aiming at foot and going BOOOM! Damn that hurts!

By the way I have NOT said this is an absolute right...

Just have argued that there is a pattern.

Now I believe we are done

[mondo joe]

98. Sorry but I can't support constiutional illiteracy. NT

[earth mom]

52. Yep, the writing is on the wall. They will silence anyone who goes up against the status quo.

Stick a fork in this country, for sure.

Meanwhile disgusting creatures like Limbaugh, O'Lielly and the rest of Faux are allowed to spew 24/7!

Has Naomi Wolf left the country yet?

:yoiks:

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. No, but i am sure she is going down her list and going

CHECK

[tavalon]

53. Who will be the last?

Unfortunately, it will likely be the folks who know how to kill and skin a deer, not those of us who understand the bigger picture necessarily (not that the two can't go together but often seem not to).

[Freedom Train]

58. She has not been shut up

No one's stopping her from starting her own broadcasting company where she can call Hillary a fucking whore on air all the time every day of the week. And no one's stopping her from taking a public stage somewhere and spewing exactly the same shit all over again (except maybe Hillary herself, were she to file charges for slander). Your indignation is fake and your stand is phony. What you really should be indignant about is that she said what she said, and about one of our candidates no less; but no, you are perfectly fine with her libelous, sexist rant. With friends like Randi Rhodes (and you), the Democratic Party does not need any enemies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. FCC regs don't let you call somebody a F-WHORE ON THE AIR

this happened OFF the air and the suspension is UNPRECEDENTED

Now to have, according to Stephanie Miller, Hillary Fans asking for her suspension and taking her off the air, yes I just listened to the clip, tells me that yes, some folks are blinded fully.

Now keep denying the patterns and what this means ok

I'm sure you are happy, a hillary hater is off the air...

You know when EVEN SEAN HANNITY gets it... while people here don't... there is a damn problem

[BlooInBloo]

61. Yes. America cannot possibly survive Randi Rhodes being sanctioned.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Read again, this is not about HER, but a PATTERN

starting with Donahue

Or is readying comprehension that difficult for HC fans?

[BlooInBloo]

65. HAHAHA! Me, a Clinton fan - hahahahahaha! Just because I disagree with you - hahahaha!

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. You may not be, but many who are ALL HURRAH FOR THIS SHIT

since it is good for them (in the short term) ARE ALL FOR IT

And that my dear IS PART OF THE DAMN PATTERN TOO

We have so-called liberals and progressives all for silencing people... and it did NOT start here, it started before the war started with DONAHUE

Do you want me to start connecting dots for you?

[BlooInBloo]

67. I'm not hurrah for it, but nor do I think it spells the end of American and Western Civilization...

... and all that is good and sweet in the universe, like Dots.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. It is part of a pattern

on its own no effect,

But when you get a pattern... you should be worried

[lumberjack_jeff]

89. They can't survive systematically alienating half of their listeners, either. n/t

[Snarkturian Clone]

62. Rise of the Dragon is just a game.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Unfortunately creeping fascism is not

[MS68]

71. Good grief..

Randi Rhodes is a public persona affiliated with AAR. When I hear her name, I automatically think of AAR. Even though it might not have been an AAR affiliated event, as she is so closely affiliated with them, she could be seen as representing them and they have every right to be concerned with how she is doing so, and if they don't like what what's coming out of her mouth at events that can be recorded (as everything can be now), they have a right to suspend or fire her.

Now, if they arrest her, then I'll be concerned.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Once again, what part of PATTERN starting with Donahue

are people having trouble with?

And yes add to the pattern the applause to these tactics by so called progressives

[MS68]

74. How long has she been spouting anti-Hillary crap

on her show? I might have a bit of a problem with her getting suspended or fired for speaking her opinion but not so much for calling her a "fucking whore". If I owned a business, that's not how I would want to represented either. My mother has called Hillary a "slut" in the past. I didn't care for that much either, and if I had a choice, I'd choose another mother. It wouldn't bother me so much if she had a well reasoned argument as to why she disliked Hillary so much, but calling her a "slut" is uncalled for as is calling her a fucking whore.

And at this point, I really don't care who gets the nomination because I'm over it all - especially shit like calling one of the candidates a fucking whore. The reason that I wouldn't want Randi representing me or my business is because she has no class not because she has an opionion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Several points here

1.- She came openly for Obama during the Kosovo incident.. and her "crap" has been factual and has covered things like oh the I wasn't shot at Kosovo truly

2.- She was OFF the air, this is unprecedented.

3.- She was not sponsored by AAR, but a sponsor

4.- The station manager claims this was NOT an AAR event, this is for lawyers now

5.- This is about HRC? How many other broadcasters that are also spouting anti hillary crap do you want off the air too? Shall we start with Keith Oberman? (News cycle and all), Perhaps wiht Stephanie Miller, and there is an effort to get her off the air by the HRC fans, Ed Shultz, (Ditto)

6.- These heavy handed tactics were the purview of the RW in the country and they are fascist...

And yes, this is part of the pattern.

First they came for the unionist, and I said nothing...

[MS68]

84. Nope...I don't want any of them off the air.

I just quit watching Olberman because I couldn't take it any more. It's his prerogative to speak his opinion and it's mine to change the channel. I actually really do like both Obama and Clinton and will vote for Obama in the GE if he's the nominee, and I think the sniper tale was an idiotic thing to do, but I don't think that she's anything close to being a whore. Being a woman in a male dominated industry, I probably have just a little more bias toward Hillary, and while I haven't fallen under Obama's spell, I think he would be an awesome president.

I understand that it wasn't an AAR function, but if you're a public personality affiliated with an organization, you represent that organization wherever you go. Whether or not it was AAR sponsored or sanctioned, people are going to associate Randi with AAR - that's the way it works in the business. As she's obviously very bright, I'm sure she understands that but either didn't care or chose to disregard it. Who knows..maybe she wanted to become a martyr.

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. You are free to change the channel

but here are more points to consider

1.-The term is now used not against women but against politicians

2.- For consistency sake every time somebody posts here that Bush or Condoleeza Rice (whose had that term applied to liberally) are you going to defend them? You see, I have not seen this outrage over the term Whore when applied to the media, Bush or Rice. We only saw it since this story broke... curious huh?

3.- There was an example on here that people felt was insulting and now is almost a no-no, that is bitch, so is DU going to do the same to WHORE I doubt it.

4.- Again, this is now with the lawyers, but I have seen ENOUGH over the last few days where people are asking for somebody to loose their livelihood, that I am horrified... and at this point realize that there is plenty of group think going on, the kind we used to make fun over bushistas... and it also exists among the clintonistas and at least on this sight to a lesser extent, but not by much among the Obamanites.

5.- I know fully realize that in November our choice is Fascist (Four More Wars), Fascist Light (If you don't agree with me, shut up) Or corporatist. I will be voting, though not happily, for either of the two last ones... but I FULLY DO NOT expect anything to change in this country

6.- You will ask why on that last one... well, it is who benefits and who is selected by an elite system that will do all it can, I fear, to silence it;s critics, in other words welcome to the oligarchy.

Oh and piece of trivia here, you realize how much is being spent on all elections? today my brother in law and I were thinking about it. It probably is reaching the 4% GDP, This is Presidential, Senate, House, and State and Local... so yes, we do have politicians who are paid and bought by those who benefit from the current system... another sign that this is done as a country of the people, by the people and for the people.

Sorry if I fret over minor things like that instead of who called who an insult this week, especially one that has been liberally used for media and political figures for years. Perhaps we all have to clean our pooty mouths but that is not part of this discussion either.

[MS68]

99. I don't care if the term "whore" is being used against

politicians vs. women now or not. In my lifetime it was a derogatory term used against women, and it was one of the worst things that you could call a woman, so when I hear the word applied to anybody - male, female, politician, piece of crap Bush or Rice, it makes me cringe.

However, if somebody referred to Bush or Rice as a fucking whore, I would probably applaud them, but I still feel it would be within their employer's rights to suspend them, if the speaker were a public personality associated with them.

Randi being suspended for her seemingly drunken rant doesn't frighten me, Donahue being canned for trying to have reasonable discussion does. The media being in the hands of too few scares the crap out of me. I watch Bill Moyers and I know there's some frightening crap going on out there with the media. An employer suspending somebody for appearing in a public place (it was not somebody's home) and slurring derogatory terms about a democratic candidate is not frightening to me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. As i said above thread the timing of the outrage seems just

very curious to me.

And yes, it scares the living daylights out of me

What I see is group think... the kind we used to make fun about bushistas.

Now this group think has expanded. Why? Politicos of all stripes have mastered the art of psychological campaigning

And I don't expect anything to change in this country any more. Not until the PEOPLE ... (god joke) realize they need to do what they need to do.

The only thing we will agree upon, it is clear, is that the language was wrong... after that... we will not see eye to eye... so it is safe to say, we are done

[onenote]

92. are you suggesting no radio personality has ever been suspended for off-air behavior or speech?

Because I bet that's not true.

[BeHereNow]

72. Time for a refresher course in "The Gatekeepers of the So Called Left" by Charles Shaw

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0505/S00043.htm#a
excerpt-
"These decisions are part of a larger pattern of "regulated resistance", a system by which dissent is carefully managed and constrained by self, overt, or covert censorship; denial-based-psychology; fear of personal or professional criticism and reprisal; and pressure from powers above including elected officials and those establishment foundations which flood millions into the not-for-profit activist sector.
This establishment money, and the access it grants, has caused many ostensible resistance leaders to suddenly and dramatically abandon long-held ideological positions and shift their behavior towards doing what can clearly be seen as the bidding of those in power whose views and values are in direct contravention to the established mores of peace and justice movements throughout history.

These "resistance leaders" of the "Left" act as "Gatekeepers"—influential "progressive" figures who use their resources and visibility to regulate the debate, tactics, and rhetoric of the "anti-war" and other "progressive" movements.

The Gatekeepers of the So-Called "Left"

"The press is the hired agent of a moneyed system, set up for no other reason than to tell us lies where their interests are concerned." — Henry Adams
In his shocking investigative report "The Left Gatekeepers", journalist Bob Feldman researched purportedly "Left" activist and media organizations that receive substantial funding from large establishment foundations with known ties to the CIA, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and even the much-maligned Carlyle Group, the arms dealing "investment fund" featured in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, of which GHW Bush, the Saudi royal family, and, at one time, the Bin Laden family, are all equity partners."

Imagine that...
BHN

[TwixVoy]

83. Yes

The problem is no one cares about anyone but themselves anymore. (well, not no one, but a huge majority) It reminds me of what I read about the last days of rome.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. That is indeed part of the problem

what I would like to call the ME ethos which has replaced the WE ethos

[NuttyFluffers]

96. aww nadin. *hug* i don't disagree, though.

:grouphug:

it's been done for a while now, and i'm surprised how belated it is taking to sink in -- even in DU, a place where there's a lot of smart people i respect. but how do you have the heart to tell the dreamer that he's already dead? i can't. that's why i speak like the insane and prophetic. the people can understand symbols and nonsense better than reality; they've always worked in a frenzy of hate and confrontation than wider vision, therefore it takes a shock to the system to stop the spiral.

but it won't end, it must play out. it is part of the machinations of a higher order, tragic though it is to our meager conceptions of reality. as it says in one of my favorite plays, "there is no liberation, there is no end, there is no future..." this is hell my children, and even in death there is no escape. all you are left is furtive moments of delusion, be it one's bliss is science and order, humanism, dominion, escapism, etc. the capacity of the Labyrinth always has room to embrace us all...

the Decadence is transitioning into the Tower these next few months. the plummet shall soon begin, and there never was a net well built enough to save us. but it was fun knowing everyone; we'll meet again soon.

[Swamp Rat]

102. Yes, now that Charlton Heston is dead.

"Soylent Green is people!"