Has this administration been a major gift to Democrats?

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No long story, just an observation.

With so many Americans woken to see the utter debauchery and rottenness of these past 8 years, is there even a hope that many will never again trust repukes to get things right?

Let's face it--there will always be those who will drink the Kool Aid without question, but I'm sure there are more who will never begin to apologize enough for helping this administration win 8 years in office.

It's an idle hope, I know, but I like to see the glass as "at least not completely empty."

[5X]

1. I would rather have the lives lost back than this kind of gift. n/t

[The Straight Story]

2. sadly, no

I think many others see it as politics as usual between the two parties and have started to lose faith in both.

And with the US so fucked up, even if we get dems in the white house/congress they won't be able to fix the mess we have found ourselves in, and then people will blame the dems for not fixing it fast enough etc.

We are in a deep hole, and the only way out is for us to work together for a common goal, and I don't see that happening - even within our own party (see GDP for what I mean).

Sure, we win now easily IMHO - but what we have inherited will most likely be blamed on us by the sheeple.

It's enough to make me want to scream :)

[hyphenate]

4. You're probably correct

I thought I had a moment of insight, but I was evidently wrong: it was just another episode of heartburn.

Although I won't go into GDP again. Ever. Again. It's worse than all the levels of hell. Perhaps that's where we should send politicians when they die.

[timtom]

3. All of this is way beyond 2-party considerations

[Jarn]

5. No

These past eight years have been a curse to everybody - young and old, Republican and Democrat, liberal and conservative.

Whether it is immediately visible or not, the effects of Bush's time in office will reverberate through the passage of time and effect us all in a negative way; whether it be from the loss of international esteem, the ballooning national debt, the thousands of young people lost to war, or the hundreds of thousands of young people that will not be adequately cared for (ex. SCHIP, NCLB, cutting of funding for education, etc.), all of America will suffer.

[Warpy]

6. This administration hasn't been a major gift to anybody

Their complete inability to govern, their massive incompetence in war, the economy and their total lack of knowledge of or respect for constitutional law has ensured that even if the Democrats do win the next election and have the votes in Congress, they will have an absolutely miserable time of it.

Our allies are angry. Our place in the world as a reasonably trustworthy nation is gone. We are in debt and will soon confront the spectre of having the nations which hold our debt start demanding payment in the few assets that still remain here: land, resources and food. They'll get them, too.

Don't expect the rich and the powerful to do a goddamned thing that benefits the rest of us unless we are prepared to rise up and force them to.

In other words, we are going to be in a world of suck that four years of even a Democratic administration is not going to be able to fix. If this is a gift, I'd hate to see a curse.

[Elwood P Dowd]

7. If we had an FDR or John Kennedy to articulate the message to the American people

the 2008 election would be like a World Series sweep. Sadly, we don't have a cleanup hitter in the number four spot, and our manager and coaches are more concerned with money than winning the World Series for the team and fans.

[struggle4progress]

8. Only in the sense that VD is a "gift that keep on giving"

[Juche]

9. Yes, but....

Young people make up 1/4 of the electorate, by 2015 they will make up 36%.

I can't find the graph right now, but it covers their voting pattern (D vs. R). From about 92-2002 it was pretty much even. By 2004 they prefered D by 10 points. By 2006 it was a 22 point margin. If Obama gets the nom the margin will be 30+ points.

http://futuremajority.com/node/600

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2041

So an entire generation of young people are abandoning the GOP. This supposedly will haunt the GOP for the next 50 years. Plus their attitude towards latinos and GLBT has pushed them farther into the dem corner. If dems maintain the youth vote, the minority coalition (GLBT, latino, blacks, atheists, secularists, indians, muslims, etc), and the blue collar coalition while building the union movement (the union movement is going to be a massive backbone of dem support if/when we get EFCA) then the dems are looking at decades of majorities.


But you have to consider that most of us have lost faith in everything. The media, democrats, republicans, the government. The dems are too calculating and spineless to evoke any real passion. The GOP have been exposed as criminals. The media are incompetent lapdogs who help cover up as many stories as they break. The government has had the constitution assaulted, lost many of its checks and balances and we don't even know if our votes count anymore.

[riverdeep]

10. You'd think it would be.

The fact that ANY Republican could be running within a few points of the theoretical Dem nominee after the eight years of hell we've had points to a) the utter cluelessness of mainstream Americans and b) the strangle hold of mainstream media to stifle any honest questioning. A Republican should be polling at about 15% right now, the same morons who still support Bush.

[Perry Logan]

11. This isn't over till the Right are driven from our country. America is in a state of civil war.