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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:50 PM
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JFK & Castro: Secret Quest for Accomodation
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 11:54 PM by EVDebs
JFK & Castro: The Secret Quest For Accommodation
Recently Declassified U.S. government Documents Reveal That, at the Height of the Cold War, John F. Kennedy and Fidel Castro Were Exploring Ways To Normalize U.S.-Cuba Relations

published Sept/Oct 1999
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,320,00.html

More grist for the mill. Most 'mafia did it' authors ignore this. And Dr MLK was being considered for the vp position in Bobby Kennedy's campaign for president in '68. Think of it, peace-mongers daring to confront the military. And you wonder "why ?"

Money and the MilitaryIndustrialComplex. What Lola wants, Lola gets.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:53 AM
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1. And at approx. the same time in the latter part of 1963
JFK had not just proposed a cooperative lunar landing with the Soviets, an Apollo-Soyuz joint manned mission which could have happened under Kennedy, he had issued specific orders by a National Security Action Memorandum for that to happen. Had the rightwing management in NASA followed orders from their commander-in-Chief, wrt NSAM 271, instead they acted rather treasonously. You can google "NSAM 271" for more info on that one.

True, once Nixon was in power, a scaled-down version of an Apollo-Soyuz cooperative space mission finally took place, but JFK had planned this in a far more grandiose manner almost a decade earlier.

Also there was never any such thing as a "space race" against the Soviets when Kennedy was President. Despite what the historians at NASA will continually insist.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:28 PM
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2. NSAM 263 and 273 re Vietnam and troop pullout got JFK whacked
MLK was offered the VP spot in RFK's run for president and both of them got whacked. Common denominator = pulling out of the Vietnam occupation.

Things look similar today.

""It remains a point of controversy among historians whether or not Vietnam would have escalated to the point it did had Kennedy served out his full term and possibly been re-elected in 1964.<24> Fueling this speculation are statements made by Kennedy's and Johnson's Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara that Kennedy was strongly considering pulling out of Vietnam after the 1964 election. In the film "The Fog of War", not only does McNamara say this, but a tape recording of Lyndon Johnson confirms that Kennedy was planning to withdraw from Vietnam, a position Johnson states he disapproved of.<25> Additional evidence is Kennedy's National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM) #263 on October 11, 1963 that gave the order for withdrawal of 1,000 military personnel by the end of 1963. Nevertheless, given the stated reason for the overthrow of the Diem government, such action would have been a dramatic policy reversal, but Kennedy was generally moving in a less hawkish direction in the Cold War since his acclaimed speech about World Peace at American University the previous June 10, 1963.

After Kennedy's assassination, new President Lyndon B. Johnson immediately reversed his predecessor's order to withdraw 1,000 military personnel by the end of 1963 with his own NSAM #273 on November 26, 1963." -- from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy

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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:52 PM
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3. Vietnam pull-out was probably the catalyst
which initiated his removal, but certainly the fact that NSAM 271 was classified as secret for almost 20 years makes one wonder of its significance in the bigger picture, too. I don't think the other NSAMs were kept secret for so long.

The so-called "space race" never could have happened under Kennedy, that's for sure. After his removal, we got a fabricated war in SE Asia and another fabricated "war" in outer space.

The government since JFK's death has been saturated with falsehoods and fraud of all manners, all of which are designed to be hidden by acts of homeland/national security laws, laws which function only to keep the public from knowing the truth about the government's lies and its wholesale practice of deceit and chicanery.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:13 PM
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4. RFK asked MLK to be his vp running-mate
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:13 PM by EVDebs
Both wanted to pull out of the fiasco in Vietnam. Both ended up like JFK.

""But the Bob Kennedy who was killed in '68, I think was a very different person. I regard it as one of my sadnesses that I did not see him at the end. Because he had made an overture to Martin to run as a Vice-Presidential candidate with him. It was not generally known. But when he made his announcement, March I guess it was 15th or 16th, he made contact with Martin and I'm sure that contact was known.""--

from William Pepper's talk, posted online at

William F. Pepper - An Act of State
The Execution of Martin Luther King
Talk given at Modern Times Bookstore, San Francisco, CA
4 February 2003
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html
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