Question about Charlton Heston...

[stevenleser]

if people go to see him lying in state and he doesnt have a gun in his hand to pry out, was he technically lying?

I'm just sayin'...

[spoony]

1. The deceased horse has been sufficiently flogged, thank you.

[quadriga]

4. If by 'deceased horse' you mean 'deceased people'

and by 'flogged' you mean, 'processed into foodstuff', then yes, I agree.

[stevenleser]

11. OMG LOL!!!!!!!

:evilgrin:

:rofl:

:yourock:

:spank:

[stevenleser]

5. Didn't see all those others until after I posted, but I have to say...

I dont feel the slightest bit guilty for piling on in this case.

[spoony]

10. Pile on if you must, be for the love of God be amusing

in doing so. It's one thing to be distasteful and engage in grave-pissing. It's quite another to not bother being clever about it.

[stevenleser]

12. Its like when you are playing pool & the ball is sitting right by the pocket...

it's just there, man. It's just there...

[spoony]

16. And then your eyes get big and you pull back and....scratch!

:)

[fascisthunter]

20. Actually, I Think He Hit that Pocket

and you were standing right behind it. Ouch....

[spoony]

34. I'd have only been hit if he scratched

make up your mind.

Even if he hadn't scratched, btw, there are already so many balls in the pocket from the roughly 350 people on DU who have already made that joke so there wasn't any more vacancy.

[fascisthunter]

35. Hey.... You See Things The Way You Want Regardless

It's why you replied in the first place. He definitely hit a nerve with ya... I say that pocket didn't have enough vacancy and your nuts were right behind it when he took his shot. You might want to back away from the table next time.


:nopity:

[spoony]

36. So anytime anyone posts anything

It's because someone "hit a nerve" versus because we're on...an internet discussion board. Gotcha. I guess that makes as much sense as your other posts. You certainly do live down to your reputation, lol.

[fascisthunter]

37. Hahahaha.... It's right there

people can tell why you replied. And I too did the same.... hit a nerve. Wear em, don't carry em.


:rofl:

[coriolis]

2. I hope you aren't typical of people around here.

My sister was obviously playing a nasty joke on me when she said I should check out democraticunderground, I see mostly nasty people here and thats just from one day.

[Rex]

6. Oh brother.

:eyes:

[hisownpetard]

14. Ready on Day One (even if you said 'one day').

Welcome to DU, where nothing makes sense sometimes.

[mitchtv]

15. must be so

I'd advise you to leave ASAP

[hisownpetard]

17. Yeah, just close your eyes and turn away. Get out while the gettin's good...

Or, OTOH - welcome to DU!

[coriolis]

21. Maybe I will do that. I know hundreds of Democrats and never heard any of them

mocking somebody who just died. Come to think of it I don't remember any of my republican friends - yes I do have some- doing it either. I probably won't hang around.

[stevenleser]

25. You dont remember Rethugs doing this? You can see it in 3 seconds, just...

turn to Faux news or go to this link---> http://www.freerepublic.com

[coriolis]

30. I was obviously referring to people I know personally. I don't associate with

assholes of any party.

[stevenleser]

32. Good for you. After watching Kerry being swiftboated, I realized we cant sit back and be goody-goody

so if you cant handle that, too bad, not my problem.

I'm going to give back to the GOP and their enablers as good or better than we get from them.

[Rex]

29. Well it will be your loss.

Judging 100 thousand people by what 50 say. Hey, whatever works for you.

[stevenleser]

18. Wow, seven posts and preaching to the regulars already?

I think that if you can't take sarcasm directed at opponents of Democratic and Liberal values, Hamlet said it best when he said to Ophelia, "Get thee to a nunnery!"

[coriolis]

23. I guess I prefer Portia's words

about the quality of mercy.

[stevenleser]

26. And the mercy that he showed to the parents and family of the Columbine victims?

Sorry, screw him.

[mitchtv]

31. Mercy, the Key to Reagan ism

and his dutiful follower, It's called Karma. He invited "cold dead hands" into the conversation. It will be what he is remembered for

[stevenleser]

33. Yes, the whole "Dont pay attention to what they do to us, be nicey nicey" doesnt work, unless

you like Democrats getting our asses handed to us. No thank you.

[Life Long Dem]

27. Because these people want you underground without the protection.

[Lex Talionis]

38. Hi coriolis, its the power of the internet that ..

makes people be this nasty. Its the last refuge, so that a small minded person with a big mouth can sleep easy at night. It empowers them to be nasty and spiteful because there is no face to face involved, nothing for them to respect. In their Daly lives they are miserable and want others to be to, so need someone to make fun of and look down upon. These types are on both the left and right. In this day and time I guess they need it to feel good about themselves. its all about Empowerment, ya know. Yes, there are some very nasty and small minded people here.

But, on the other hand I have met some very nice and opened minded people here, also. That Yin and yang thing I guess. I'm not the most PC guy in the world, but have been basically welcomed, as you can see I'm a newbie to. I've monitored this site for several years and just began posting recently. I was very, very surprised to find that there are some here who I can relate to. They hold some of the same beliefs and ideals that I do. Hell, my ignorant ass even learned here that not all Muslims are fanatic suicide bombers, some are very peaceful and practiuce what they preach. (thanks to the lady who pointed this out to me.)

Me, a gun totin, Harley ridin, free thinking progressive, Southern born and raised white boy. Having something in common with "libruls". Go figure, life is full of strange happenings.

Oh, and since this is about C.H. I liked most his movies, some really did have a message that wasn't welcomed by the right. Sometimes you need to have an open mind no matter how prejudice you may be. Now I'm gonna drink a beer and shoot my guns in his honor. Maybe shoot that stuffed monkey in the attic.

[Botany]

3. The man marched with Martin Luther King @ time when people were ...

.... being killed for doing that.

[stevenleser]

8. Joe Lieberman was big on civil rights once upon a time too...

... I honor both men for doing that. What they did afterwards, however...

[Bumblebee]

9. Yup, he is another Reagan -- very liberal when younger, then super

conservative. Sad but at least for a part of his life he was okay...

[stray cat]

13. Some people on DU are pretty selective in who they consider human

even someone who risked their life for civil rights before it was popular. I disagreed with him on guns - so what? He in many ways appeared to be a very good man - and his work on civil rights is an example of his courage and ethics.

[stevenleser]

22. He showed up in Columbine to preach gun rights mere days after that tragedy...

you want to try that one again? He has shown that his gun-nuttiness is much more important to him than his humanity.

[benEzra]

47. You know what he said at that meeting?

Here's the transcript:

Thank you. Thank you very much. Good morning. I am very happy to welcome you to this abbreviated annual gathering of the National Rifle Association. Thank you all for coming and thank you for supporting your organization.

I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today. Or course, you have a right to be here. As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that.

But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.

I have a message from the mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver. He sent me this and said don't come here, we don't want you here. I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing. But the mayor said don't come.

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing, don't come here. This is our country. As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.

They say we'll create a media distraction, but we were preceded here by hundreds of intrusive news crews. They say we'll create political distraction, but it's not been the NRA pressing for political advantage, calling press conferences to propose vast packages of new legislation.

Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton.

Don't come here. That's offensive. It's also absurd because we live here. There are thousands of NRA members in Denver, and tens upon tens of thousands in the state of Colorado.

NRA members labor in Denver's factories, they populate Denver's faculties, run Denver corporations, play on Colorado sports teams, work in media across the Front Range, parent and teach and coach Denver's children, attend Denver's churches and proudly represent Denver in uniform on the world's oceans and in the skies over Kosovo at this very moment.

NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine.

Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable.

So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy.

One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile towards us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So, let us be mindful. The eyes of the nation are upon us today.

They actually cancelled everything they were legally allowed to cancel; they only held the annual business meeting, as required by law.

The "cold dead hands" speech was made a year later, in Charlotte, NC, not in Colorado.

[Botany]

42. As with many he was complex in his make up

It saddens me that in this "liberal place" some people
just want to see things and people in black and white.

[Wild Colonial Boy]

24. Many forget about that part of his legacy

He fought for all rights, not just gun rights.

[stevenleser]

28. No, we dont forget that anymore than we forget Lieberman doing the same and more...

... then sometime after that, both men became screwed up.

[Botany]

43. He had his flaws .... but we all have some flaws too.

The gun stuff bothered me .... but to walk w/ King when
he did took real guts.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. He was also a vicious racist.

And so are his apologists, IMO.

[Paladin]

48. And Who Deserves More Scorn?

The life-long racist right-wing knuckle dragger whose ugly viewpoints never change---or someone like Heston, who associated himself with the civil rights movement, who knew how right and valuable a cause it was, and yet he ended up walking away from that association, over to the political Dark Side, utterly repudiating whatever noble inclinations he might have had and exchanging Martin Luther King for Ronald Reagan and Ted Nugent. I think the lifelong racist comes out on top in that comparison; if you Heston-worshiping gun obsessives don't like it---shoot me.

[bedazzled]

51. i was thinking about that yesterday - that it was worse that he started out brave & noble

and then deteriorated into what he was. it's worse
than if he was rotten the whole time. i'll take the
charitable road and figure that it might have
been a symptom of his incipient brain disorder.

[ColbertWatcher]

7. Usually "lying in state"...

...is reserved for heads of state or the pope.

But, it wouldn't surprise me if the GOP put their icon out for all of them to parade around, with or without the gun.

[jody]

19. Heston endorsed Don Siegelman for governor of Alabama against Repug Riley. NRA graded Don A+ and

Riley A.

[Marr]

39. I really don't understand this.

So the man's politics weren't in line with many around here. So what? It's not like he was running the government or something. Just because two people disagree doesn't mean one of them is a villain.

I look at the ridiculous hysterics the right-wing regularly goes through regarding celebrities and their work, and I wonder how fragile a mind must be to lash out at people just for disagreeing. To shun their work, or to mock it, or just dismiss them as human beings because of this or that stance on a political issue. Then I turn around and see the same damn thing happening here.

C'mon, people-- seriously.

[stevenleser]

41. It is more than that, it is what he did with Columbine, having that rally on their doorstep...

spitting on the tragedy they just experienced. He deserves all he gets.

[Marr]

44. I don't know-- I certainly felt it was tasteless, but

look at it from a gun rights activist's point of view for a moment. They're convinced that all the problems associated with guns could be managed via responsible gun ownership, and they believe that tragedies like the one at Columbine are exploited by our media to build popular support for undermining one of our Constitutional rights.

I think they felt they were doing the right thing. I don't agree, and as I said, I thought it was quite tasteless. But I don't think one transgression is something to condemn a person for.

[stevenleser]

45. That plus his slogan, quite frankly, is asking for these jokes.

If you make a slogan and repeat it and kknow you are being quoted and having it broadcast to the entire country multiple times that says the only way you are going to get X away from me is if you "pry it from my cold dead hands" you have to recognize that this is going to set you up for jokes when you die.

[Norwood]

40. His death is gonna start up another pro-gun vs anti-gun war on this site yet again.

[tsuki]

49. Get a life. nt

[Skittles]

50. something Heston can't do. nt