Where is the push to have the United Nations take over in Iraq?

[mediaman007]

No one talks about that alternative anymore.

[Muttocracy]

1. did you listen to the SFRC hearings last week? nt

[mediaman007]

2. no, i was putting together the school yearbook in the evenings...

help me out

[Muttocracy]

4. it came up repeatedly - Biden wants the UN and the region more involved.

It was news to me, but maybe not others, when he described how he met last fall with permanent security council members (their UN ambassadors I guess, I'm a little unclear if that included U.S.) about coming up with a preliminary plan, then moving to regional middle east meetings. Peacekeeping came up several times during the hearings; perhaps the problem is other countries saying to hell with us (my words, not his).

I wouldn't be surprised if it came up this week. I can dig up more info for you if you want (I posted links to c-span and senate last week). Here's part of one of Biden's intro statements.

http://biden.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=305d534e-1240-47b7-afd1-351702f458ae

excerpt - "We cannot impose this or any other solution on Iraqis – and we don’t have to because federalism is enshrined in the Iraqi constitution. And it is a vision my colleagues in the Senate and House have endorsed and put into our law. I am not wedded to my plan. If there is a better way to meet our objective of leaving Iraq without leaving chaos behind, I will support it.

As important as defining the objective is how we get there. It is critical, in my view, that we establish a process that gets Iraq’s neighbors and the world’s major powers much more actively involved in helping Iraqis arrive at a political accommodation. Our influence in Iraq is a waning asset. The influence of Iraq’s neighbors and the major powers is a wasted asset."

[Muttocracy]

5. here's a video clip on DU

and I replied to it with some of the links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x114252

[annabanana]

3. According to The Nation.. McCain has OTHER plans

"McCain is drawing up plans for a new set of global institutions, from a potent covert operations unit to a "League of Democracies" that can bypass the balky United Nations, from an expanded NATO that will bump up against Russian interests in Central Asia and the Caucasus to a revived US unilateralism that will engage in "rogue state rollback" against his version of the "axis of evil." In all, it's a new apparatus designed to carry the "war on terror" deep into the twenty-first century."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080324/dreyfuss

[Muttocracy]

6. Wonder which ones he will count as "democracies".... nt

[Diclotican]

7. mediaman007

mediaman007

Why should UN take over Iraq after the utter failure of Iraq in the hands of the United States of America?.. Why should we, who was told to get the F**** out when we warned against this in the first place. Be the one who have to repair, and use billions of OUR money to get things right in Iraq?

Why should WE, the rest of the world, save US this time, so they next time US are high on blood can do the same shit all over again in the future..

I say NO, this time United States of America have to stand up, and be the dam grown up they claim to be. This time United States of America should do what need to bee doing, to repair the mess THEY MANAGED TO MAKE IN IRAQ. No one in US can claim they had no clue why Iraq was so complicated. It was warning from all corner of the world. Educated people of all ages and gender was warning loudly, and clear about the war. And what happened.. Yes United States of America was caring less and less about the rest of the world, and in strong contrast to what the UN was telling, they started a was, based on lie, lie and some more lie.

And now they want UN to go in, and fix what this have become.. HOW RUDE can the american public be, if that is what you believe UN want after the treatment they was given, clear contempt from the US Administration... Go back to YOUR leaders, and tell them to fix this. And IF they are in no position to do that.. Go to UN and ASK TO GET HELP TO CLEAN UP THE MESS. Don't just demand that we should do it. But ASK, politely about it. Then the UN can, if US get the money involved right "maybe" help US...

But THIS is a mess United States of America was made for yourself. And it is, if US like it or not THEIR responsibility to clean up their act and repair the damage in Iraq. United States can possible get some help from your "coursed friends" who was going to the bandwagon with US when the war was coming... And by the way, for the most part it was 3 world nations, with little money, and no army to speak about... But I remember Morocco was voluntary a army of trained apes to the rescue of american soldiers. Some Way the idea was refused by the Pentagon:freak:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[mediaman007]

9. I accept your position. I can understand that Iraq is a creation

of the United States (G.Bush*) and we have to get ourselves out.

[Diclotican]

12. mediaman007

mediaman007

But how should US manage to slip out of Iraq, without given the Iraqi to Sunni Saudi-Arabia and Shia Iran?.. The Breakup of Iraq are there all to se. And both Iran and SAUDI-ARABIA have by default winning a lot so long US are bleeding out in the desert of Iraq... Saudi-Arabia can get very important oil revenues from the southern part of Iraq who border to Saudi-Arabia anyway. Iran would get a foothold where the population for the record ARE Shia and who many have sympathy with the iranian cause. And even that Iraq have their share of nationalistic behavior, the friendship, between Iranian and Iraq ian should not be undermested...

And if all hell was out, and Iran was to be attacked by US, the tankers in the gulf would be flaming toucher's before they have the Chance to flee the gulf. And then you would possible se that the price of oil REALLY go up.. And possible the world economy belle up.. in the same time frame

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.

[Karenina]

10. Steve Bell says it best...

[Diclotican]

11. Karenina

Karenina

True, to clean up after this "Monkey" of your are out of office.. To bad UN would not be there when needed, because US have treated the organization with that contempt..

Maybe UN should relocate to Geneva or Haag, and then New York might get their parking lot they miss så much, by the river:sarcasm: That was the US was telling the UN, when mr Bolton was Ambassador to UN from the US... And we all know how contempt this man have for the organization in the first place.

Even that it was United States of America, who i 1944 in San Fransisco invented the organization, with some help from the brits the french and the soviets The UN charter was first signet in SF in 1944, between the 12 first member nations. But in active duty, the UN charter was starting in 1945, and the UN building as we know it, was build in the 1950s? I guess

When US needed UN, then UN was great to have. But UN was then enlarged, by far because of the de-colonization of the world.. And today more than 190 member.. Difficult to get all into line when you have more than 190 meanings of what is right, and what is wrong...

Some say UN are dead and it is time to resolve the problem, abolish the whole union. The problem is that if the UN are to be abolished, what then?.. The mighty over the weak?... It is a reason the UN was given its charter in 1944. And it was not because UN was there to be a pain in the ass for the right wingers in US. But I guess, the old statesmen of the world, then understand, something that the current administration and many of the supporters of that administration do know know, or do not care to know either..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[Karenina]

13. The ONLY interest the U.S. has in the U.N.

is to USE it for its own hegemonic ends.

[Diclotican]

14. Karenina

Karenina

And WHAT would happened, when the rest of the world are standing up, and not playing this type of games anymore?... IF US was so dam irritating about the whole concept of UN, then they might just go out of the UN all together.. But THAT would do more harm than good for the United States of America I guess... Think if a new International organization was to come to being, without US..And that the same organization are telling US to respect the rest of the world. Because if they don't, they would be allowed inside the group anymore..

And I would prefer that in the first time around, democratic country would be part of a new UN. And the rest have to do the right think, really implement democracy as a way to get into the UN. Or something like that .. Maybe even United States would manage to come back into the fold, as democracy again. Not this quasi democracy US Haw been lately...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english not my native language

[Telly Savalas]

8. It's because folks have come to their senses.

If I'm the head of a UN nation not presently involved in Iraq, what motivation do I have to piss away money and risk the lives of my military?

"Oh goody! I want to clean up the mess Bush made! My citizens will love me and want to re-elect me!"