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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:30 AM
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Yoo Memo Makes Wa. Post: Permissible Assaults Cited in Graphic Detail ("an unconscionable document")
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/05/AR2008040502099.html?nav=rss_print/asection

2003 MEMO ON INTERROGATION
Permissible Assaults Cited in Graphic Detail
Drugging Detainees Is Among Techniques


By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 6, 2008; Page A03

Thirty pages into a memorandum discussing the legal boundaries of military interrogations in 2003, senior Justice Department lawyer John C. Yoo tackled a question not often asked by American policymakers: Could the president, if he desired, have a prisoner's eyes poked out?

Or, for that matter, could he have "scalding water, corrosive acid or caustic substance" thrown on a prisoner? How about slitting an ear, nose or lip, or disabling a tongue or limb? What about biting?

These assaults are all mentioned in a U.S. law prohibiting maiming, which Yoo parsed as he clarified the legal outer limits of what could be done to terrorism suspects as detained by U.S. authorities. The specific prohibitions, he said, depended on the circumstances or which "body part the statute specifies."

But none of that matters in a time of war, Yoo also said, because federal laws prohibiting assault, maiming and other crimes by military interrogators are trumped by the president's ultimate authority as commander in chief.

The dry discussion of U.S. maiming statutes is just one in a series of graphic, extraordinary passages in Yoo's 81-page memo, which was declassified this past week. No maiming is known to have occurred in U.S. interrogations, and the Justice Department disavowed the document without public notice nine months after it was written.

In the sober language of footnotes, case citations and judicial rulings, the memo explores a wide range of unsavory topics, from the use of mind-altering drugs on captives to the legality of forcing prisoners to squat on their toes in a "frog crouch." It repeats an assertion in another controversial Yoo memo that an interrogation tactic cannot be considered torture unless it would result in "death, organ failure or serious impairment of bodily functions."

Yoo, who is now a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, also uses footnotes to effectively dismiss the Fourth and Fifth amendments to the Constitution, arguing that protections against unreasonable search and seizure and guarantees of due process either do not apply or are irrelevant in a time of war. He frequently cites his previous legal opinions to bolster his case.

Written opinions by the Office of Legal Counsel have the force of law within the government because its staff is assigned to interpret the meaning of statutory or constitutional language. Yoo's 2003 memo has evoked strong criticism from legal academics, human rights advocates and military-law experts, who say that he was wrong on basic matters of constitutional law and went too far in authorizing harsh and coercive interrogation tactics by the Defense Department.

"Having 81 pages of legal analysis with its footnotes and respectable-sounding language makes the reader lose sight of what this is all about," said Dawn Johnsen, an OLC chief during the Clinton administration who is now a law professor at Indiana University. "He is saying that poking people's eyes out and pouring acid on them is beyond Congress's ability to limit a president. It is an unconscionable document."

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:50 AM
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1. Why in God's name is this vile person teaching law at the University of California?
KnR. Thanks for the post, Hissy.

Hekate

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:16 AM
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3. Why indeed?
He should be scrubbing toilets somewhere.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:06 AM
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6. He should be on trial somewhere for war crimes.
If we were even *HALF* the nation we claim to be,
he'd be on trial for war crimes *RIGHT HERE*.

Tesha
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:05 AM
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16. That is a good question...
...and one I'll be posing the next time I get a mailing from UC asking for money. I plan to tell them that, much as I would love to support my alma mater, I will not do so as long as Mr. Yoo is teaching there in any capacity whatsoever.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:53 AM
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2. The very notion of "war criminal" makes it clear that a nation at war IS the context
a nation at war whose commander-in-chief either illegally tortures or chooses to abide by Geneva Conventions.

To prison with every last one of these jack-booted torturing thugs... the sooner the better for everyone.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:26 AM
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4. there's only one little catch
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 04:28 AM by symbolman
they keep saying that the pResident can do these things in time of WAR.. We are'nt AT WAR.

It's a "war" against "terror", but it's not really a "war", so he doesn't have the right.

If they want to parse words, then the answer is that no WAR has been declared, but then that would still make Bush Cheney Rove even more guilty of nefarious, torturous CRIMES - let's charge the Media while we're at it for the Frauds they've perpetrated in this PR "war"...


Off to the Hague with all of them...
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:56 AM
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5. I hope K.O. has something on this memo this evening.. You are correct.
This is not a war.. and the President and every stupid pundit/ journalist and American calling it a "war" doesn't actually make it so.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:09 AM
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10. They can repeat it as much as they like. Torture is illegal
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 07:11 AM by sfexpat2000
war or no way and Bush isn't above the law. If Congress doesn't move against him, they are complicit in war crimes.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:24 AM
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21. Unfortunately they hi-jacked the courts and the voting machines to ensure there
horrendous deeds will not be prosecuted. I want to know how true justice can see the light of day when blanket pardons will be issued. Congress won't impeach because we are told we don't have the votes.

:mad:

I am worried about an act before the Nov election that will distract the public from this issue (Iran strike or some "terrorist" act) They had 2 candidates set to ignore the actions of this pResident Inc, but then this young guy stepped in. :scared:

An economic depression was used in the past to give way to a rise in fascism, then that pesky FDR stepped in and Smedley Butler chose the right side. It seems our current economic situation just might be another attempt by the same crowd, to further their fascist agenda.

:scared:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:12 PM
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19. True. (no text)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:08 AM
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7. Yoo should be charged with Treason
for his frontal attack on the Constitution.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:12 AM
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11. Somebody should be charged with something.
Line them up and start putting them away for a long, long time. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy and the underling dimwits like Feith and the underling scholars who twist the Constitution into a horror story.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:32 AM
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8. Does this asshole get tried for war crimes with bu$h?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:40 AM
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9. Absolutely.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:36 AM
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12. K & R !!!
:mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:37 AM
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13. And we should note that this 2003 memo was written AFTER
they started torturing people.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:45 PM
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18. So noted!
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:03 AM
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14. This sounds an awful lot like sadism to me...
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 08:04 AM by truth2power
We know the Prez grooves on sadism. I don't know about Yoo. All this overlay of 'well, we're just talking about legal issues, here" is just, well....bizarre. I can see Shrub getting a chubby just reading this stuff.

Also, could someone answer this? In law school, do you have any choice in professors for your courses?

I'm talking about how, in a university, there are usually several professors who teach the same course, so if one prof. is some sort of whacko you can pick another section or wait until someone else is teaching it. Just wondering. If I were in law school I sure wouldn't want to spend a semester with that nutjob, Woo.


On edit> Yes, Yoo should be tried for war crimes. Yesterday.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:06 AM
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15. There are probably grad seminars that only he teaches
as well as courses he's teaching currently that people have to take the semester he's teaching them because of their schedule.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:43 PM
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17. 'Using a footnote' to dismiss the Fourth Amendment.
It may be the Fourth Amendment, but, as I recall, it was one of the PRIME reasons for the existence of the Bill of Rights in the first place.

The original colonists resented the "writs of assistance" that allowed the British Government to ransack a colonists belongings, documents and letters to look for "incriminating evidence" of customs laws.

Naturally, such "evidence" could be targeted against certain "enemies of the Crown", thus creating a climate of fear (sound familiar?) that could be used to keep the citizens in line.

To be able to write off the Fourth Amendment without a challenge, a Supreme Court hearing or even a fucking PUBLIC MENTION is appalling.

Any Republican who KNOWS of this and STILL bleats, "Democrats hate freedom" deserves a public de-pantsing.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:01 AM
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20. Why is this noxious little termite still in gainful employment?
His argument is that, in time of war, the President and consequently the armed forces are unconstrained by any legality. Then there is the minor matter that the President decides when the US is at war.

Then there is his definition of torture (which is dubious at best) but even that pebble in the President's path can be overstepped by the unfettered power of the Presidency. I do not think that even the a Nazi or a Stalinist would go as far as Mr Yoo has gone.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:13 AM
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22. Draw the line???
"You have to draw the line," Yoo said in an Esquire magazine interview posted online this past week. "What the government is doing is unpleasant. It's the use of violence. I don't disagree with that. But I also think part of the job unfortunately of being a lawyer sometimes is you have to draw those lines. I think I could have written it in a much more -- we could have written it in a much more palatable way, but it would have been vague."
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:50 AM
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23. Shouldn't Yoo and Addington be, in the very least, disbarred?
The lawyers of this country need to stand up for their profession and get rid of these bad apples who are practicing law in a manner which is giving their clients such obviously incorrect advice.

These men are only lawyers. Not elected officials. We need oversight on them and it seems the Bar could be the place for that.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:18 AM
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28. the Bar Associations silence is telling -- how will history judge this brand of corp lawyering
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:57 AM
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24. K&R
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:59 AM
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25. Yoo is a psychopath
He needs to be in restraints, not teaching law.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:10 AM
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26. And this man is still a member of the bar?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:12 AM
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27. and yet no mention of it from Abrams or Tweety --- odd?
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