The big prick who likes calling our party the Democrat party calls for political civility

[NNN0LHI]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/mccain-calls-for-political-civility/

April 5, 2008, 5:26 pm
McCain Calls for Political Civility
By Elisabeth Bumiller

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — Senator John McCain ended a weeklong “biography’’ tour at home in Arizona today as he invoked the friendship of two of the state’s most famous politicians — the Republican Barry Goldwater and the Democrat Morris K. Udall –- and called for political tolerance while a handful of protestors yelled “out of Iraq’’ during his remarks.

In front of a giant American flag hung from the Yavapai County Courthouse, a picture-perfect outdoor setting captured by a film crew for future McCain campaign ads, the presumptive Republican nominee delivered a feel-good speech meant to distinguish himself from the warring Democrats, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. (Mr. McCain’s campaign released a Web ad today with the same theme.)

Mr. McCain’s lofty talk in Prescott, delivered from a Teleprompter, was at one point overtaken by the more down-to-earth sounds of 21st century American politics. As Mr. McCain spoke about the need for sincerity and respect, “for all our differences, for all the noisy debates that enliven our politics,’’ the shouts of the protestors grew even louder, drawing laughter from the friendly hometown crowd.

Prescott, a town of Victorian homes that was the old capital of the Arizona territory, has long been Goldwater country: Mr. Goldwater, whose grandfather opened a dry goods store here, began his Senate campaigns and his 1964 campaign for the presidency on the steps of the Yavapai County Courthouse. Mr. McCain has always ended his own Senate campaigns on the same steps.

[brandon47]

1. Calling him a prick is low class

And it only reinforces McCain's call for civility. Act like a grown up, attack his policies not the man.

[NNN0LHI]

2. I was being nice, friend

Oops forgot, and welcome to DU.

Don

[brandon47]

6. calling

someone who a majority of Americans view as an American hero with a high degree of integrity names will only turn undecided people off an increases the perception of Democrats as being fringe liberals who hates America.

Follow Obama's lead and treat mccain with respect, or the American people and the media will pity him.

[bdamomma]

11. did they treat, Kerry with respect in regards to him being a war hero.

a big NO, the Swift boaters were too busy smearing the crap out of him.

[brandon47]

12. And they were wrong as well

I like to think we are better then the GOP slime machine but you people want to be the same but in reverse.
Pathetic.

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[brandon47]

26. So do you want to be better than Rush

Or do you want to emulate him and become him?

I try to emulate people I respect, and Rush certainly doesn't make that list.

[Dorian Gray]

30. You know

yesterday someone said to me about fighting for social justice: "You must have love in your heart, even from those on the other side. Once you lose love for people, you are fighting for the sake of fighting, and not for a worthy cause anymore."

It struck me as very deep.

I will not lose myself in hatred for those on the other side, but fight for what I believe in because I love our country, the people in our country, the people in my community, and it's because of that love that I feel like there is a fight worth fighting.

[brandon47]

31. Exactly how I feel

Very well said.

[NNN0LHI]

35. Who can wax poetically about social justice while their country is committing genocide?

It just doesn't compute in my brain for some reason.

I would have a very difficult time of trying to find love for someone who supported the continuation of something like that.

Don

[brandon47]

38. We are not committing genocide.

That statement is false.

[NNN0LHI]

40. What is it? Liberating Iraqis? Helping Iraqis? Lets hear what you think it is

[brandon47]

43. ok

Well it certainly is not the deliberate and systematic destruction of an entire people who belong to one racial, political, cultural or religious group.

That is for sure. As misguided as the policy is, our intentions were and are to help the Iraqis and not to systematically slaughter them.

[NNN0LHI]

47. You said "our intentions were and are to help the Iraqis"

I can see where this is going and have heard enough nonsense for one day.

I suspect you are making money off this "helping" the Iraqis line of crap?

Don

[Vinnie From Indy]

49. Where in the fuck do people like you come from?

You write,
"As misguided as the policy is, our intentions were and are to help the Iraqis and not to systematically slaughter them."

Your views are simply idiotic drivel. While systematic slaughter was not the intention of this war, the goal of those setting policy was about as far away from helping the average Iraqi as it could possibly be. This war is, was and will always be about MONEY to the people that created it. The slaughter that you write about just happened to be acceptable collateral damage to the BushCo policy makers. I find your understanding of the genesis of this war to be infinitely more repugnant than anything ever SAID or WRITTEN about John McCain.

Go back to the fantasyland that you came from.

[Ikonoklast]

57. Funniest thing I've read today

We kill people for their resources, not for political ideals.

Learn some history as to why wars are fought.

Every war.

Economics is warfare without guns, shooting wars are failed economic policies.

[Rex]

68. Wrong.

It is good you found DU, maybe you can learn a thing or two about Reality.

[spanone]

72. 'our' intentions? how do you know our intentions? our 'presidents' stated intention maybe

[eridani]

84. Thanks for the quotation marks. Whenever some average Joe or Jane waxes eloquent--

--about defending "our" interests, I always say "Whatchu mean 'we,' Kemosabe?" "We" benefit from resource theft and making the rest of the world safe for dollar a day labor? How, exactly, do "we" benefit?

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. We are committing genocide in Iraq.

[Dorian Gray]

50. Or you can focus on loving

the people who are hurt by our policies and trying to do right by them rather than hating those who perpetrate them and wanting them taken down.

In a perfect world, all wrongs would be righted and those who perpetrated those wrongs would be punished properly. However, if I had to choose between
righting wrongs or hating those who perpetrated those wrongs and working for their punishment, I'd choose the former. I'd much rather see us work toward
ending the war and aiding those harmed (both our soldiers and the Iraqi people) in the war than focusing on bringing Bush down. Bringing him down would
be satisfying in a lot of ways, but it wouldn't necessarily focus on those who were harmed and hurt. They are the ones who need us to work for them. They
are the ones who need our love. They are the real reason that we need to end the atrocity of this war. It's not about hating Bush to me, but rather about
loving the people who are harmed every single day by the bad decisions of this administration.

[NNN0LHI]

51. I don't think you understand the seriousness of this

The Republicans who you think we should love hate everything about us. They have proven this over and over again. Can't you see this? Its like a woman who is a victim of spousal abuse who keeps returning to her abuser hoping things will change by just showing enough love and understanding.

It doesn't work. Never has.

Next chance the Republicans get to kick us in the head when they get us down again they will do it. Could you love someone who kicked you while you were down?

Don

[Dorian Gray]

55. I think we should focus

on not loving them, but righting wrongs because we want what is right for our community. Rather than focus on our hate for them, focus on our community and what is right for that. I'm not saying to go out to dinner with Cheney because he's a swell guy. I'm saying, I'm sick of focusing on hatred for them when I'd rather be doing something positive and pro-active for our country. So many of us have been mired in our hatred for what they've done for our country, and we are at a place where we can make a huge change with either Hillary or Obama. And we're fighting about them, now... so many of us filled with hatred for one or the other candidates. I'm so tired of spending so much energy on the hate.

[butterfly77]

71. Will you be ready when the rightwing starts...

[Vinnie From Indy]

52. Your ideas simply guarantee a never ending repetition of the slaughter

By not making the prosecution of those that instigate such activities as important, if not more so, than healing those that got slaughtered, you guarantee that it will happen again and again.

Your incredibly simplistic notions of the hard reality of the actions of the BushCo regime actually do more harm than good. Indicting these people is equally important as trying to repair the damage.

[Dorian Gray]

56. Perhaps...

but we're eating our own now with the hatred on this board. I said in my last response to another poster that we seem to focus on anger and hatred so much here, and many of us (not necessarily you, as I have no idea what your opinions are regarding this next election) seem to have moved our Republican hatred onto a new focus: either Hillary or Obama. And people are fighting and arguing and focusing on defeating the candidate that they hate. And for the first time, both candidates are polling lower than McCain, and that scares the hell out of me. And it's because people in our party are so focused on disliking one of the candidates that we're diminishing our chances to sweep this election. Which should never have been in question after the disaster of the last 8 years.

I blame hatred for that. It's a cancer that eats away at everything that is good.

[Vinnie From Indy]

46. That someone is an idiot!

You wrote,
"Once you lose love for people, you are fighting for the sake of fighting, and not for a worthy cause anymore"

That is total, laughable, psycho-babble bullshit. Also, here is an FYI - not being civil and "losing" love for "people" are not the same thing by any stretch. In fact, I could care less what is motivating people to do the right thing as long as the right thing gets done. Are you offering that there must be some sort of "purity" test applied to the motivations of people fighting the GOP hate machine? Please spare me your nonsense and get out of the way while some of us take the fight to those that want to deny us our freedom, humanity and civil rights. Or, better yet, how about you sit back and do the apologizing to the right wing after folks like me have offended your simplistic notions of civility by calling those people liars, assholes, fascists etc.

[Dorian Gray]

54. Well

it's not on my shoulders to apologize to anybody for your words or actions. Or anybody else's. I'm not saying I'm representative of anything or better than anyone. I'm just saying that action born out of loving your community is probably more effective in the long run than actions born out of hating people. Because the focus of those actions will be different. I believe that actions born out of the latter will be more punitive, and I'd rather focus on positive outcomes than negative.

Your words and your actions do quite well in representing who you are. I'm a New Yorker. I can get quite abrasive and angry and hateful and spitfire-ey. But, I don't like who I become when I get really angry like that, nor do I want my life's work to be represented by any of those qualities. And if there was a choice between working toward pulling out our troops from Iraq while keeping peace in the region or punishing George Bush? I'd unapologetically choose the former.

[Vinnie From Indy]

61. Motivation vs Accomplishment

Again, I really do not care what motivates people to do the right thing.

Also, I do not believe that anyone should accept an either/or situation in regard to extricating ourselves from Iraq and hounding GW Bush to the gates of hell to hold him to account for his war crimes and crimes against humanity in a court of law.

Maybe you should also take a moment to consider that throughout history it has often been the rude, abrasive and spit-firey that have been the ones succesful at implementing positive change or getting the job done. In addition, it has often been those type of people that actually save far more lives in the long run than those that wring their hands and implore everyone to behave in a civil manner.

In the end, follow your conscience and I will follow mine, but please spare me and the others willing to fight the lectures about what should or should not motivate us.

[Dorian Gray]

62. I'd much rather follow

the path of Ghandi or Dr. King, but I respect that there are other avenues toward social change.

Good luck in your fight. I'm sorry that you read my opinion on the subject as a lecture, as though I was reprimanding you. I was just posting my opinion.

[Vinnie From Indy]

67. I will agree with that!

I respect that in life there are many paths to the same place.

Cheers!

[leftynyc]

63. John McCain attacked the swiftboaters and

defended Kerry against their attacks.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/06/MNGUT83SS41.DTL

[DemoTex]

15. WTF? " .. the American people and the media will pity him?"

And I thought I had seen it all on DU! Thanks for the laugh, Brandon47!

:rofl:

[spanone]

59. how does a war hero vote to sanction TORTURE...?

[Rex]

66. Dream on. What a bunch of wild-eyed garbage.

McCain is worthless, the only integrity he HAD was lost when his own party called his wife a whore and him an unfaithful husband. American hero? Now that is a good joke. More like American Zero.

Fringe liberals who hate America - try another Rove talking point please, that one is old and wornout. :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. repugs are low class and that's being nice.

[blondeatlast]

5. Whatever.

:eyes:

[navarth]

7. how about 'hypocrite' then?

I think that's what the post is about. Maybe McCain should act like a grown up. "Democrat" Party? And he's calling for civility. Perhaps prick 'and' hypocrite are appropriate.

The whole purpose of his 'call for civility' is to throw dirt on the Democrats, it seems to me.

Acting like grown-ups and civility are good things, but people like McCain shouldn't be allowed to get away with that shit.

My 2 cents

[Dorian Gray]

32. Perhaps there is a huge slur in

calling the Democratic Party the Democrat Party that I am totally unaware of, but could you please explain to me how that is the height of incivility and insult?

[SoCalDem]

70. It's a passive-aggressive taunt.

Let's say your name is William, and you LOATHE being called anything BUT William.. A person you HATE, insists on calling you Willie..and refuses to call you anything BUT Willie..

Perhaps thgis person is your BOSS or a coworker who's up for the same job as you are..or maybe YOUR job..
The republicans started doing this years ago and instead of democrats refusing to allow it, by calling them out on it, they just ignored it, and some even joined in.:wtf:

Since republicans own and operate most of the rancorous media around, they helped it "stick"..and they particularly loved it because they could emphasize the RAT part..

When a few dems DID complain about it, they were called "petty" and "touchy"...

It's a classic passive-aggressive technique

[Dorian Gray]

76. I had absolutely no idea

that there was a history to saying Democrat and that it was taunting. Wow. You learn something new every day.

Thanks for taking the time to explain to me, SoCal. :)

[navarth]

73. Democrat rhymes with rat, it was started by Joe McCarthy

according to Thom Hartmann. It's a not-so-subtle slur.

[AzDar]

33. Or, ' Warmonger'.....

:hi:

[dogday]

8. So is 100 years more war... I say if the shoe fits

Personally I like Old Bastard better... But Prick will do just fine....

[brandon47]

10. he didn't call for 100 years of war

he said specifically as long as Americans weren't being killed.

[bdamomma]

13. so you're for a presence in Iraq long term when we had no business being there.

invading a country that did not do anything to us, cowboy mentality that is.

[brandon47]

14. No, I am in favor of accurately representing peoples statemens

At all times, no exceptions. Regardless of party, policy or the man.
respect them, don't misrepresent them but disagree.

[navarth]

20. Ok, accuracy then. DID he say 'Democrat' Party?

Your argument does have merit, we should have more class than them. But if he's doing this kind of shit, he needs to be called on it. Fair?

[brandon47]

24. More then fair

do it without calling him a prick.

[blondeatlast]

28. John McCain says something pricky--calls for political civility using the phrase "Democrat Party,"

Better?

[brandon47]

29. Better yeah

But If I were speaking I'd focus on my disagreements with what he said, then some lame ass line about his statement being "pricky".

[navarth]

34. Listen, with all due respect you could follow your own lesson a bit.

Telling people to grow up doesn't make your point well. You would do well to moderate your own language, no offense. I'm just sayin'.

[brandon47]

36. People in this thread

are acting like children with their name calling. That's a fact.
It is childish to call names without making coherent fair points.
That is what is going on here.

Why don't we call Senator McCain Senator Poopypants while we are at it.

[navarth]

41. See that's my point. You're calling names as well. Does that help your point?

Sorry, I think you're hurting yourself with that. My advice: follow your own advice. No offense intended.

[blondeatlast]

42. Yes, and the adult thing is to ignore the misbehavior rather than making

a bigger issue of it.

Bet you comment to the parents on their cranky child at the restaurant too.

Lecturing gets you nowhere. This board was created to let us vent our frustration after the SCOTUS crowned our Dear Leader. Forgive me if after the Republicans have got us into losing offenses on two fronts, shattered the economy and our school systems (and will make my son's child's child pay for it), and robbed me of the Constitution if my language toward them isn't up to your standards.

[navarth]

45. I don't mind lecturing if it's constructive. That's all I'm saying.

The poster had some good points, but I think he's shooting himself in the leg rather than perhaps convincing everyone to adopt a more effective mode of behavior. (Damn I'm sounding wordy today).

Anyway I don't think there's any argument about our need to get rid of these people (neocons). Seems to me the discussion in this thread might best be about the most effective ways of doing it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents

[eridani]

85. A Jack Vance fan?

A farting horse will never tire
A farting man's the man to hire.

[dogday]

18. It was an expression... He will call for more war, count on it...

Meanwhile boys like my son are injured and others are just killed...

[brandon47]

37. tell your son

I thank him for his service, I hope he is doing well.

[dogday]

39. Thank you, he is, although he cannot lift his arms above his

head, just like McCain, he is one of the lucky ones... McCain scares me. He can get angry sometimes and that to me translates into more wars... God, I hope I am wrong....

[ayak9]

19. No Americans being killed?

How, exactly, are we going to accomplish that?

The situation in Iraq is nothing like that of Germany, Japan, or Korea after their respective wars ended. Does one assume that the Iraqis will quit fighting each other, or that Iran will sit idly by and not stir up trouble? Or can we get the various warring factions to sign a legal contract that no Americans will be killed or attacked during the proposed 100 year occupation?

There is a serious flaw in someone's logic here. And I think that person is the addled former hero, McCain. Anyone who believes this drivel must think that GWBush (and his handmaiden McCain) will be vindicated by history and proven right in invading Iraq in the first place.

[NNN0LHI]

23. And the Iraqis are sitting on top of trillions of dollars worth of oil

Germany, Japan, and Korea were broke after their respective wars ended.

The needed us.

The Iraqis sure don't need us. And they know it.

Don

[brandon47]

27. Again it is fair to question his logic

Do so without misrepresenting his statement.

[blondeatlast]

25. So he said something pricky--why should we spend 100 years there if we are "liberating" the Iraqis?

If it talks like a prick and spouts off pricky fluids when it speaks, I'll call it as I see it.

[King Coal]

9. He is a prick.

[Vinnie From Indy]

22. Amen!

Shout it from the rooftops!

[CatWoman]

16. oh, give me a break!!

[blondeatlast]

17. He's not a prick--but he did two pricky things (in this speech--he's done thousands more)

He invoked the names of two respected and beloved AZ politicians(neither of whom liked him in the first place) to further his campaign and mislabels the opposition party.

[spanone]

58. i think it's a compliment....warmonger is more appropriate, but prick will do for now

[Stinky The Clown]

80. He is a prick

And an asshole

[Raksha]

86. Spoken like a true concern troll...

If you haven't been around DU long enough to know what a concern troll is, I'm sure someone will explain it to you.

Being civil to Republicans is against my religion...I don't even PRETEND to be civil to them! What did it ever get us except screwed...over and over again?

[blondeatlast]

3. Mo is spinning in his grave--I guarantee that his was a civil tolerance for McCain, not friendship.

Considering Barry's views against Bush III's, I don't think Barry is feeling all that rested after Bush III's speech, either.

There are local rumors that Barry really did not like McCain and wasn't too shy about demonstrating it.

[Brigid]

44. Civility? Screw civility.

When was the last time the right wing was ever civil to anyone else? Surely McBush doesn't expect us to just forgive and forget what they did the whole time Clinton was in office, the stolen election of 2000, the "swiftboating" of Kerry -- shall I go on? If anything, we've been too civil. :grr:

[NNN0LHI]

48. Wingnuts only talk about civility when they think they are going down

So we have that going for us.

Don

[DemoTex]

53. When wingnuts start talking "civility", it is time to go for the throats.

Blood in the water.

[EFerrari]

60. Fuck McCain. n/t

[lonestarnot]

64. But but but

[blondeatlast]

79. Was that you? That's hysterical!

I wanna barf everytime I pass that damn thing, but at least Barry had redeeming qualities. If the "erect" something to the Big Prick (dba Bush III), I'm outta this state for GOOD!

[lonestarnot]

81. Me too!

No admission and no denials LOL :evilgrin:

[Poiuyt]

65. Remember that mean joke he told about Chelsea Clinton?

Not much civility there

[SoCalDem]

69. Lofty?? Hah!! More like a monotonous sing-song lecture

Senator Grumpipants is a LOUSY public speaker..Just the thought of having to listen to him for a few years, makes my head explode ( I don't think he'd finish a complete 4 yr term)

[DemoTex]

74. The anti-prick guy is gone ..

[NNN0LHI]

77. Seems like that happens to every newbie I welcome to DU

I hope it is just coincidence.

Don

[Javaman]

75. mclame can go eat shit with a big spoon. nt

[Oldtimeralso]

82. Just one question for the great war hero?

how many planes did he lose before he was shot down?
maybe another one ore two
What is a "wet start"? and How many died?
As the son and grandson of admirals how close were you to being the anchorman at the USNA?

[struggle4progress]

83. I'm surprised Cain can't learn the name of my party