****Official SFRC Petraeus Hearing Thread - FIVE****

[annabanana]

1) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3125327&mesg_id=3125327
2) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3125833&mesg_id=3125833
3) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3126141&mesg_id=3126141
4) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3126487&mesg_id=3126487

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Both Patreaus and Cocker look shocked

and of course he is now quoting McCain, we are where we are....

[annabanana]

2. They are taking hits from all sides today

[annabanana]

3. Voin says no one has the urgency because they know we're THERE

[ClayZ]

4. K and R

[annabanana]

5. Obama UP!!!!

[nashville_brook]

6. OBAMA UP!

[cal04]

7. Obama up LOL

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Yep, Should we leave too quickly and he will discuss those now?

Here we go.......

[libnnc]

8. Obama up

[bobthedrummer]

9. Here we go

[Rhiannon12866]

24. They're in for it, now...

:D

[gateley]

10. DId Biden mean Nelson is a supporter for Hillary? Thanks. nt

[Vadem]

19. Yes, he is. .... n/t

[gateley]

25. Thanks!

For a moment there I thought Biden was referring to himself, and that I'd missed an endorsement.

[annabanana]

11. Barak: Alq and Iran.. "the worst case"

[annabanana]

15. If we are successful in Mosul.. Will Al in Iraq STILL be able to reconstitute?

[MadBadger]

12. Biden made funnies.

[MadBadger]

47. Obama in his "Closing Statement's is dominating

especially after Crocker's shitty response.

[nashville_brook]

14. "the parade of horribles" should we leave too early --

ha, parade of horribles.

[nashville_brook]

18. "harden the metrics" -- i'm loving his use of language

[annabanana]

16. If one of our criteria for success is destruction of Al in Iraq.. at what point

will we be able to say that they've been sufficiently squashed

[ellisonz]

17. Obama: will there ever be a time when Al Qaeda in Iraq can't reconstitute?

Obama clarifies: at what point will the Iraqis be able to handle them?

[annabanana]

20. We don't anticipate there will EVER be "no" Alq sympathiser..

[annabanana]

21. Patr: right

[annabanana]

22. How realistic is the "integration" of the Sunni into the Security forces?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

23. That was cool of Sen Nelson to let Obama go ahead of him.

[annabanana]

26. Patr claims that it's well underway.. (Can;t really buy this)

[annabanana]

27. WE will never eliminate ALL influence of Iran.. right?

[ellisonz]

28. Obama: it's also true that we're not going to eliminate all traces of Iran in Iraq.

Asks Crocker at what point that dynamic will be acceptable.

[annabanana]

29. Crock will not say

[gateley]

30. They've been unable or unwilling to answer ANY questions succinctly. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. Crocker eh, ah, eh, ah, eh, ah, eh, ahh....

couldn't handle the question.

[Kool Kitty]

38. That's what I'm thinking, too.

All I'm hearing is - we need more money and we are staying til we leave. No clear definition of anything.

[annabanana]

31. Please answer more fully. . .Why is Iran being welcomed if they are undermining Maliki?

[bobthedrummer]

32. !

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

34. I like this Oblique approach that Obama has.

Really gets to the point.

[annabanana]

35. Barak making ending points now

[gateley]

36. What was Biden's response to Obama's request? (Missed it). Thanks.

[ellisonz]

39. Go ahead, everybody else has.

[gateley]

41. Thanks!

[gateley]

48. Self delete

[ellisonz]

56. lol

:popcorn:

[Muttocracy]

40. sure, take another minute, everyone else has!

:hi:
I just tuned in, been busy at work! :)

[Kool Kitty]

42. Obama asked if he could take an extra minute,

and Biden said why not, everyone else has.

[ellisonz]

37. Obama: Surge has provided breathing room, but that breathing room has not been taken.

[annabanana]

43. Original incursion was massive blunder.. the problems are the result of that blunder

[Ichingcarpenter]

45. Crocker eh, ah, eh, ah, eh, ah, eh, ahh....

You are not answering the question once again. Obama and Biden chimed in

[annabanana]

44. "What would be good enough" to leave?

[annabanana]

46. What is our criteria.. can they be met?

[gateley]

52. Biden's got Obama's back! "That wasn't the question." nt

[cal04]

49. what is success as Obama puts it

No one can answer the question why not?

[ellisonz]

50. Obama wants an achievable goal in a reasonable time frame.

[annabanana]

Crock.. "This is HARD and COMPLICATED

[annabanana]

53. i.e. no answer

[annabanana]

57. Biden says.. in the second round I hope you'll ANSWER the question

[NJSecularist]

51. Obama is making Crocker look like a fool. n/t

[annabanana]

54. (not that hard)

[Muttocracy]

55. yep. uhh, uhh,

[caledesi]

63. I am surprised that Obama didn't say "I can do complicated"

or "complex"....their "safe" way of not answering!

[Ichingcarpenter]

64. He did great, he is a chess player

moved his pawns then his bishop and finally his queen for the kill.


He doesn't play checkers, interesting to see how his questioning went.
Sen. Whitehouse does the same kind of thing.

[MadBadger]

58. Obama in his "Closing Statement's is dominating

especially after Crocker's shitty response.

[malaise]

67. Obama was great

I loved when Biden threw in the point that he'd try to get Crocker to answer the question in the next round.

[Solly Mack]

59. looking for success in Iraq

got in with lies, get out with lies

and the US government sure can lie..especially to itself

[annabanana]

60. Murkowski up now

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

61. LOL, omg, Biden, on our second round, we will ask you to answer that question again.

rotfl.

[annabanana]

62. I think her question is a plant

[Maggie_May]

66. Yep sure was

[gateley]

68. Look who she's sitting next to. They probably dreamed it up together. nt

[gateley]

65. All the press there for Obama is a distraction, and I think takes from

the gravity of this issue.

There are always plenty of shots and footage of these hearings -- that shouldn't have been allowed.

And I say this as an Obama supporter.

[LSK]

69. how late are they going with this tonite? 2nd round to come?

[Muttocracy]

71. until they cry "torture"! ;)

[annabanana]

70. Crock: We aren't"doing" schools and clinics anymore

[Ichingcarpenter]

74. But we have a flag and an airline which stated like 10 times

No water, no electricity no health care .... but we have a fricking flag and
new airplanes for their airlines.

[Maggie_May]

75. Than why are they asking for reconstruction funds?

thats what should be asked.

[Name removed]

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[Solly Mack]

73. Yes, tell us. What does "motivate" your thinking?

[annabanana]

76. Biden: Thanking everyone for patience with questions lopping over the "time"

[annabanana]

77. Bill Nelson up now

[Solly Mack]

78. How big of them! Going back to regular SOP 12 month tours.

How gracious of them to be so giving!

[annabanana]

79. Are we paying the Sunni this much?

[annabanana]

80. Petr: We think the balance is in our favor

[Solly Mack]

81. "friends" being paid for their loyalty is AKA as lobbying isn't it?

[Muttocracy]

85. more like they're our unpredictable mercenaries. nt

[Muttocracy]

82. If anyone missed Odum's testimony it was amazing. nt

[gateley]

90. TOTALLY agree -- I think someone posted the transcript, too. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. OK, must do a flashback to Barbara Boxer. Betrayus said there might be a couple of thousand Al Qaeda

in Iraq. Meanwhile, that's the first group McSame starts to blame for the violence in Iraq. A country of how many million people (less the ones we've displaced or blew to kingdom come?)?

[annabanana]

84. Odam says "WE don't own them, we only rent them" i.e. no alliegence

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. Betrayus, the sheiks don't do just sheik work. What's sheik work???

[annabanana]

87. Nelson: "Can we get the political reconciliation? Cafferty says no"

[annabanana]

88. Nelson is telling Patr that America isn't willing to fight this misbegotton fight

[annabanana]

89. Nels asks Crock.. Cafferty says the only thing to keep Iraq united is

[annabanana]

91. the US or a "strong man" emerging

[bobthedrummer]

92. "uh..ehhh...the uhh...ahhhh...strong man theory...uhhhh..ehh.mmmmm..."

[Ichingcarpenter]

96. I think you quoted it wrong ... It was "uh..ehhh...the uhh...ahhhh..

uhhhh..ehh.mmmmm...uh..ehhh...the uhh...ahhhh.uhhhh..ehh.mmmmm..."

[annabanana]

93. THREAD SIX UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3127142

[XOKCowboy]

94. Something tells me Isakson won't be hitting Petr and Crock too hard

I hope that I'm wrong.

[Solly Mack]

95. Aah-CHooo. Excuse me. I'm allergic to bullshit.