I'm really getting sick of people saying "I don't think people should be fucking with the flame."

[HEyHEY]

Always under the excuse the Olympics are meant to bring countries together and all this shit. If it was about bringing people together we wouldn't hold the fucking thing in a country with the human rights record of China. I'm sorry, but by holding the games there you are basically saying what is happening there is okay. And it isn't fucking okay. So, fuck you olympics, if you're gonna hold the games there, you support it and I will cheer on the dousing of your flame.

The other sick thing is that the Olympics are nothing more than a big cash grab for uber-rich people followed by a two week festival for uber-rich people. I live in Vancouver, the host of the next winter games. Once you live in a place where the Olympics are being held you understand more and more its just a corporate event designed to get money out of public coffers. In the meantime, the homeless problem has become worse in the city, local businesses have suffered due to Olympic construction and housing prices have increased so much that no-one actually born here can afford a home. Now these fuckers are trying to tell me people should leave the flame alone as it marches off to a polluting, repressive nation, full of essential slaves to the economic elite, to have its two-week playdate for the wealthy there? Fuck you and you god damned torch.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. piece of historical data... re the torch

you know who started that relay?

The 1936 Summer Olympics, need I say more?

[HEyHEY]

2. Fitting

I have a friend from China who insists we needn't worry about them much longer. She's confident withing 30 years there will be a massive revolution there because there is such a difference between the rich and poor in the so-called "Communist" country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. TLC had a program on China which showed the

divisions... and I was shocked that they let that one slip... that the seeds for revolution are being sown right now.

In the Central Kingdom things stay the same, NOT, but I will not be too surprised or shocked...

In fact, Tianament was the first protest to the economic reforms that have made those at the top insanely rich

If you can read Disaster Capitalism... it puts one thing in perspective... democracy, as in the real thing, is the enemy of the
pro democracy movements world wide

[rurallib]

9. revolution of rising expectations

when people find out what they don't have compared to what others have there is usually some move to try to even things out. With TV, radio and the internet it is pretty hard to keep people ignorant forever.

[Sheets of Easter]

15. To boot,

Dachau came in handy to rid the streets of Berlin of "undesireables."

[damonm]

26. Godwin alert!

[last1standing]

4. I don't think China should be fucking with Tibet.

I wonder why so many people put a torch above the freedom of millions of people.

[HEyHEY]

5. I was in the pub the other night, and a guy I know

Who's actually a Liberal and a guy I have respect for said, "Trying to spray the flame with water, that just ain't cool."
My reply was, "China killed eight monks today while they were in a temple searching for photos of the Dalai Lama, I thhink that just ain't cool."

[last1standing]

7. It's because all the media is on the side of that damned torch.

I was listening to BBC World News on Sirius the other day and even they were pro-torch. It stuns me that there's a near media blackout on WHY these people are protesting.

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. That's an easy one.

"I wonder why so many people put a torch above the freedom of millions of people."

Because sports, unlike human rights, are sacred. Disrupting the Olympics or anything associated with the Olympics is FAR more egregious than denying basic human rights or brutally supressing dissent. I mean, we're America; its not like Americans, on the whole, have ever been bothered by the denial of basic human rights or the brutal supression of dissent.

Ok, so what do I win?

[last1standing]

10. You've just won.......

My respect.

Not that it's worth a whole lot, but you have it. And you're right, I remember hearing stories about people complaining when the news stations interrupted a football game on TV to broadcast the moon landing.

[MilesColtrane]

8. "Now these fuckers are trying to tell me people should leave the flame alone...

...as it marches off to a polluting, repressive nation, full of essential slaves to the economic elite."

Actually, it has ALREADY arrived in the United States...this morning.

Seriously though, I couldn't agree more.

[Pharaoh]

11. quit pussy footin around...

tell us what ya really think :party:

[libnnc]

12. fuck China and fuck this year's olympics

[LibertyLover]

13. I was in China in 2004

to adopt our daughter and I was shocked at the changes. I had originally visited China in 1979, shortly after it opened to American tourists. The changes that I saw in those 25 years were stunning. The disparity in wealth is almost more pronounced there then here in the US. I honestly think that could very well be another revolution in 25 to 30 years because of it. Oh yeah and the heck with the Olympics.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. China is responsible for 1.2 million deaths in Iraq.

There's no way there should ever be an Olympics there.

[HEyHEY]

18. I'm not American

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. That's true.

But you're sitting on Salish land.

[HEyHEY]

25. Weak argument

I was born here just as much as anyone else. I can't help that. And if you want to go even further back, the Salish are on Haidi land.

Point is, sitting back and saying "Well, we're bad too, so let's ignore china" is a stupid argument. I'm not bad. I don't support the war in Iraq, and I think the Canadian treatment of Aboriginals is awful. Therefore I'm not with either of those groups. So, I'm not being a hypocrite in any way by mouthing off about China.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. "Well, we're bad too, so let's ignore china"

Ah, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying being a hypocrite about human rights when it comes to your own country means you don't really care about human rights, and would just make a person a poser.

[HEyHEY]

28. I doubt many of the people protesting the torch

Are in favour of human rights abuses by the US in Iraq.

[spoony]

16. K/R

[Sheets of Easter]

17. The Olympics ended for me when professional athletes were alowed to compete

in major sports like ice hockey and basketball. All it is now is a glorifed all-star game, and, as you said, a corporate cash-grab.

[Occulus]

20. Thank you.

From the bottom of my heart. I agree 110%.

Here's to hoping China loses all the 'face' it ever had over the course of this Olympics.

[khaos]

21. the torch needs to be captured and thrown off the GG bridge

along w/ the chinese "security unit" guarding it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. The Olympics are DEAD to me!

:9

Seriously. The whole enterprise is an exercise in Nationalism and Corporate self-flagellation.

[backscatter712]

23. Fuck the torch. Fuck the Olympics.

They're a fucking joke.

You think they really bring countries together? The Olympics is a big corporate money-grab combined with an international political pissing contest, with the atheletes there just to do a little circus performance.

I'm boycotting this year. I won't watch them, and I'll boycott all the big sponsors. NO MONEY FOR YOU!

[HEyHEY]

24. Every news station keeps talking about "The dissapointed runners."

Oh no, these blind, moronic fucks who still agreed to run even after their CELL PHONES WERE TAKEN for the duration of the run won't get to hip-hip hooray for turning a blind eye to repression.... BOO FUCKING HOO.

I'm actually quite sick... even the CBC is talking about the "poor runners" though they are using some useless stringer from SF. And the DID bring some attention to the actual issue... unlike CNN

[aikoaiko]

29. I love all the supporters of the 1st amendment here --- you would do well in NPC

:puke:

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[aikoaiko]

31. No, I'm all for you saying what you want, I am against people stopping the event

That's what was happening in SF. Speaking out is not "fucking with the flame". Preventing the event IS "fuckin with the flame" and I don't support it.

Perhaps I was unclear as you, but now we understand each other.

[HEyHEY]

32. Well, I disagree there

I've pretty well come to a point in life where, and I say this as a journalist, I know all the "Protesting" and noise making people want to do is just ignored by the powers that be. So, sometimes ya just gotta break shit.

[aikoaiko]

33. And there you have it. We disagree.

[backscatter712]

36. I agree. It is waaaay past time to start breaking shit.

We've had our try at peaceful, legal protests.

The powers that be just don't fucking listen. At all. All we get from Bush is that insufferable smirk. All we get from the Chinese is slanderous, bombastic propaganda.

They don't listen.

It's too late to play within the rules.

Now it's time for some Boston Tea Parties.

So what if they lose a goddamned torch. So what if we piss over their party. They had their chance to change their ways when we were playing nice.

Now it's time we take the gloves off. Especially because the only way the media will give us a single second of coverage is when we break shit.

[samsingh]

34. agreed

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

35. I agree 100%

Recommended