This is not just a smoking gun -- it's a MOAB

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.chris-floyd.com/


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This is not just a smoking gun -- it's a MOAB dropped right on the White House, confirming, yet again, what any sentient being should already know: the illegal torture tactics (yes, they are torture; and yes, they are illegal, no matter what "the Attorney General says") used on George W. Bush's Terror War captives were approved by the highest officials of the government, all of whom knew -- in exacting, sickening detail -- just what they were inflicting.

These cold-blooded atrocities were not restricted to "high value al Qaeda suspects" - the demure fiction that the ABC report, like most others in the mainstream media that have begun, gingerly, to delve into these crimes, still retains. As mountains of evidence has already shown, these "enhanced interrogation techniques" were used throughout the Terror War prison system, from top to bottom, on prisoners rounded up at random in mass raids in Iraq and Afghanistan, on innocent people sold into captivity by bounty hunters, on innocent people snatched off the streets in Asia, Africa, Europe. They've been used on "low-level prisoners" in Bagram, Diego Garcia, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, in the brig at the Naval Weapons Station in Charleston, South Carolina, and all the other "secret prisons" and holding pens of the Terror War regime.

All of the atrocities and murders that have thus far come to light from the hellish pit of the Bush gulag are the direct responsibility of the "Principals," the inner circle, the Privy Council, the Star Chamber of the real American government: the "National Security State" that operates outside all law, all oversight, all constitutional legitimacy.

Yet even as the media digs out the workings of this junta, they feel compelled to offer what they believe is a fig leaf that will allow all good and decent folk to retain their sacred faith in American exceptionalism: "Hey, we're not evil; we only torture the really bad guys, the worst of the worst, the high value al Qaeda scum. Torture's too good for the likes of them!"


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[L. Coyote]

1. A Massive Ordinance Aerial Bomb (MOAB) or a town in Utah MOAB?

The White House could use a little of the Utah version.

[FogerRox]

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[seemslikeadream]

41. This is not just a smoking gun - it's a MOAB dropped right on the White House, confirming, yet again

That is an exact quote from the article, the very first sentence.





Not a reply to you FogerRox

[SharonAnn]

10. Mother Of All Bombs?

[JohnyCanuck]

4. How innocent people get tortured (Youtube video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWeL_7aXFc8 (from www.theyoungturks.com )

[alfredo]

16. This video will be in my friend's inbox.

[Two Americas]

24. innocent by definition

Only innocent people are tortured. In civilized and enlightened societies the accused are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty through a court of law and due process.

This is an important distinction that I think we need to make. "Guilty" is not decided by torturers, whether the torturers are in positions of authority or are criminals on the street. Law is not whatever someone with a gun and a uniform decides that it is.

There are no crimes for which torture is the appropriate sentence. Any sentence meted out without due process is itself the crime. If people are suspected of a crime - charge them. If you cannot or will not charge them, then they are innocent and you are the criminal if you assault them or detain them - whether you are in authority and wearing a uniform or not.

[horseshoecrab]

25. Well said Two Americas

No crimes for which torture is appropriate!

thank you.

horseshoecrab

[Orwellian_Ghost]

5. K&R

[libnnc]

6. NOW can we call them Nazis? n/t

[FogerRox]

13. Nazis were a political party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. But it was also a form of fascism, as an ideology and some of these folks

share similar believe, including eugenics

[FogerRox]

37. Nazism is not a form of government, fascism is.

A small technical point, but one I think is relevant .

[Occulus]

23. Didn't ol' Prescott Bush help fund...

I'll just stop right there. :)

[FogerRox]

36. Violation of Trading with the enimies act

plotting to over throw FDR, selling Germany 1/3 of its rolled plate steel in 1939, shipping remington rifles and thompson machine guns for the brown shirts in 1933...yeah I know, but ole Prescott never joined the Nazi party, at least I have no evidence he did.

[Patchuli]

43. Didn't have to officially join

to be guilty of treason...

[FogerRox]

46. :-_)

[elocs]

44. I think that casually tossing around the terms "nazi", "Hitler", "satan", etc.,

is intellectually lazy. They have been used so often in lieu of an actual argument or examples that they have lost much of their shock meaning. Although they may have accuracy they have been far too overused. Great here at DU or preaching to the choir, but some of the unwashed will shut down and not listen when they might actually be convinced to even a degree more than they were about Bush and the neocons. Why do neither Obama or Clinton accuse Bush and the neocons of being nazis? Because it is counterproductive and so over the top as be lose much of its meaning and impact.

Before people go nuts about this, the nazi tag is fine here in the DU clubhouse with our secret handshake and it is a good description of Bushco in a nutshell. I just don't think it is a good tactic to take to try and get people who agree with you or to even further listen to your arguments (I am familiar with Godwin's Law). That is the point, is it not? To get more new people into our tent rather than to just form a circle and sing Kumbya to ourselves.

[libnnc]

45. Well, when the White House personally signs off on

which enemy combatant get what specific kind of torture...

It kinda rings a bell.

[alfredo]

7. I'm sure everything Hitler and Pinochet did was legal under their reading

of the laws.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And just like us they changed the laws when necessary

see Military Commissions Act of 2006

[alfredo]

9. Did that law give immunity to bush and cheney?

[rurallib]

12. Senior admin officials

but it ain't binding overseas and I doubt it could pass a test in court here. Oops, I forgot the courts are packed. It may survive a court test here.

[alfredo]

18. Maybe we should start pushing congress to rescind that part of the law.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. And interrogators doing the dirty work

of course it would fall on its face if it faced muster in the Courts...

Or at least NOT the Roberts court.

[KoKo]

11. K&R.... One day we will find out it was probably thousands who were tortured

this way by these sadistical evil elitists.

[FatDave]

28. One day we'll probably find out about concentration camps

And we'll think back to our high school history lessons when we said "You mean to tell me the German people had no idea?"

[pleah]

14. K&R

[bobthedrummer]

19. I remember talking to a non-com that was home in Green Bay briefly years ago

we were talking about how this sergeant had stood up to a 2 star general and refused to follow an illegal order, we talked about how he would never follow any orders to fire on American citizens in America not threatening his unit, and we talked about how the use of the US military to take reprisals for the killing of contracted mercenaries that had shot innocent protestors in the face because the local newspapers in Falluhjah had been ordered closed by Jerry Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority due to the fact that the newspapers had published articles about the Iraqi men women and children being TORTURED, RAPED AND MURDERED in Abu Ghraib before the truth about these CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY became widely known--well we talked about how that turned many Iraqis into insurgents. years ago.

A ten and a half ton guided FAE like MOAB would be mild compared to going to HELL for asking God to bless the Bush Family Evil Empire's many accomplishments, slad.

[Kaleko]

20. Seemslike, your sig line shows you're aware of more than just the tip of this iceberg

{{sigh}}

It's been a long, hard 7 years, and more of this insanity will come out in time. I just wanna curl up with a sedative right now.

[seemslikeadream]

21. Thanks Kaleko

Do ya think I could squeeze in a little more? :hi:






Pay Close Attention!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0tVjmHhnCo

[Kaleko]

26. Whoa, a deep sea diving psychonaut!

And a great painting by Alex Grey, too. You have no idea how much I resonate.


Here's a fun one for ya:

What to do when there are monsters in the house?

A 3-year old has the answer

http://thefuntimesguide.com/2007/03/toddlers_monsters.php#more

[DrDebug]

29. OT: Is that picture related to Rick Strassman's work?

Because Rick Strassman uses the same picture as the cover illustration of DMT: The Sprit Molecule which is an investigation into DMT during the near-death experience.

Kundalini rises when people are ready to receive it. Don't force it, it will happen when your body and mind are ready for it and you don't need anything...

---

White Buffalo Calf Woman
Hopi Prophecy

(...)

"With this holy pipe," she said, "you will walk like a living prayer. With your feet resting upon the earth and the pipestem reaching into the sky, your body forms a living bridge between the Sacred Beneath and the Sacred Above. Wakan Tanka smiles upon us, because now we are as one: earth, sky, all living things, the two-legged, the four-legged, the winged ones, the trees, the grasses. Together with the people, they are all related, one family. The pipe holds them all together.

"Look at this bowl,"said the White Buffalo Calf Woman. "Its stone represents the buffalo, but also the flesh and blood of the red man. The buffalo represents the universe and the four directions, because he stands on four legs, for the four ages of creation. The buffalo was put in the west by Wakan Tanka at the making of the world, to hold back the waters. Every year he loses one hair, and in every one of the four ages he loses a leg. The sacred hoop will end when all the hair and legs of the great buffalo are gone, and the water comes back to cover Mother Earth.

The wooden stem of this chanunpa stands for all that grows on the earth. Twelve feathers hanging from where the stem -- the backbone -- joins the bowl -- the skull -- are from Wanblee Galeshka, the spotted eagle, the very sacred bird who is the Great Spirit's messenger and the wisest of all flying ones. You are joined to all things of the universe, for they all cry out to Tunkashila. Look at the bowl: engraved in it are seven circles of various sizes. They stand for the seven sacred ceremonies you will practice with this pipe, and for the Oceti Shakowin, the seven sacred campfires of our Lakota nation."

(...)

Toksha ake wacinyanitin ktelo

http://home.satx.rr.com/touchsky/calf-woman.html

[Kaleko]

32. Check out Alex Grey's work

here: http://www.alexgrey.com/

Great Lakota story, btw. Thanks for the little detour.

[seemslikeadream]

34. little detour

[seemslikeadream]

33. Everything Is Everything,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jKF4LWViE

We'll bathe in the love that surrounds us
We'll sip from the cup of the throne
And friends that remain will be boundless
Oh the planets will fly

When everybody comes home, comes home
Will you be coming home, coming home
Will you be home

We'll share in the crystal communion
And rise on the hymns that we've known
We'll cherish our ragged reunion
All the ships will be sailing



When everybody comes home, comes home
Will you be coming home, coming home
Will you be home
Comes home
Will you be coming home, coming home
Will you be home



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqVnOLiH0FM

For so great a treasure words will never do.
Surely, if this is, promises are mine to give you.
mine to give...

[DrDebug]

39. And everything contains everything

I didn't know that artist and I thought it was about that fool who used drugs to gain insight, even though the human mind doesn't need that. Sometimes a little ganja and Californian White Sage to chase away negativity are all that you need.



The taijitu (yin-yang) represents how things work. The outer circle is every known phenomena and the white and black are seamingly contradictionary concepts, nevertheless the white always contains the black and the black always contains the white and neither is every a singularity. Each contains the seed of the other.

The major failure of western science is the quest for singularity, even though Mother Nature always combines.

Size is just a relative concept. Atoms, humans, planets are all forms of life on a different scale. Every water molecule is a world in its own right and each is different even though we cannot tell the difference yet.

We are dust under the fingernails of giants.
Giants are contained in the dust underneath our fingernails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jj975xlGiE
(Hollywood doesn't always lie)

[bbgrunt]

22. k & r

[HamdenRice]

27. Thanks SLAD! Your work bringing this to DU's attention is always appreciated! nt

[WinkyDink]

30. As if Sy Hersh hasn't told us all of this. The MSM will "discover" much post-November.

[formercia]

31. Psychotropic Drugs

a term to see mentioned, almost as an afterthought.

I'm personally familiar with some of those 'drugs' because they were used on me.

The whole reason behind it was that I had questioned the legality of a particular operation and I needed to be discredited, so they spiked my home and things that I ate with agents that would cause a psychotic break and cause me to act in ways that could be used to discredit me.

Let's make it clear here. These so called drugs are not what people might think as 'Truth Serum', something to get someone to talk, but agents that cause uncontrolled panic and rage and fry the victim's brains. They are meant to destroy people. They are meant to make people freak out that would make a bad 'Acid Trip' seem like a nice day at the beach.

Now just imagine yourself a prisoner, being the victim of a hostile interrogation and suffering from the effects of these agents.

Some of these prisoners had to endure this day after day.

[indepat]

35. Would just desserts for those who support, enable, and/or shill for those who torture

be for themselves to be subjected to each and every illegal inhumane technique? Just wondering. :shrug:

[spanone]

38. i find it hard to believe, in my country.,.,we have met the enemy and he is us

[donkeyotay]

40. That only took 4 years. nt

[Patchuli]

42. Thank you for summing this up so well

I am so heartily sickened by these people and so ashamed that they have turned America the Beautiful into America the Ugly...

GOBAMA!!!!!!!