I almost wonder whether McCain shuld be the next president

[question everything]

hey, don't hit the alert yet..

Bush is going to leave the country in such deep doo-doo, that whoever is the next president is going to have hell of a time trying to bring us back on the "right track." It is going to be an uphill battle on all fronts.

Just wonder..


By the way, I caught some of his speech earlier today. A Republican using the term "the common good?"

[Marr]

1. McCain would turn this mess into a true catastrophe.

He'll do nothing to fix any of our real problems. I honestly think he'd institute a Draft in his first year in office, and expand the conflict to Iran. The man is a warmongering nut.

[lpbk2713]

6. And the hell of it is ....

three years into McLame's pResidency when things are even more fugged up than they are now the RWers will still be saying it's all Bill Clinton's fault.

[Tesha]

17. Based on the record since 2006, Democrats won't do much to fend off the coming disaster either.

They *COULD* have stopped the Bush Presidency dead in its
tracks, but they have instead done *NOTHING* to impede
Bush's headlong rush to catastrophe.

Tesha

[Liberal In Texas]

2. Two words....

Supreme Court.

That is all.

[question everything]

13. Yes, the only reason, I suppose

My concern is that if things are bad, and a Democratic president has to constantly fight with Congress and compromise, that such a compromise can reach any new nomination.

OK, I will nominate a moderate justice if you will pass that bill.

I hope that I am proven wrong.

[newmajority]

3. If we could get about 75 ACTUAL Democrats in the Senate, and keep Justice Stevens alive

I'd tell Obama to take the next 4 years off, and let Grandpa McLoony have it.

But that's not too likely, is it? :evilfrown:

[MercutioATC]

4. I see your argument, but think about this:

McCain would leave things even worse. That would mean at least 4 years of decline, followed by....

....another argument like this one.


Yes, it's going to be rough for at least a decade, but it's only going to be tougher if we let the Repubs have the reins.

[Tesha]

19. At some point, though, we reach "pitchforks, torches, boiling tar, and feathers".

A few more years of economic collapse , then, when the power
goes off (taking the TV and the cold beer with it)...

Tesha

[uppityperson]

5. I'm not looking forward to the whining in 4 yrs "dems couldn't fix things, vote repub" like in past

Let the repubs screw things up, elect a dem and then whine when he/she can't fix all the shit the repubs did. Whine whine whine. That's what I'm not looking forward to.

[Marr]

9. Oh I'm actually looking forward to that angle.

I can't wait until after the election, when I can respond to every Bush fan's complaints with, "why do you hate America?" and "there you go, blaming America again", and "why don't you just leave the country if you hate it so much?".

[uppityperson]

11. That will be fun but I mean in 2012

When the administration has had 4 yrs to try and repair some of the damage and repubs whine that "we gave them a chance and they couldn't fix it so vote repub" and people will be stupid enough to not say "hey, you guys are the ones that CAUSED the damage" but instead say "ok, we'll give you a chance since everything isn't perfect".

[rwenos]

7. THE COURT, THE COURT, THE COURT

Isn't it pretty to state such a provocative theory?

Justice Stevens is 87 years old. One more conservative jerkoff to vote with Thomas, Scalia, Alito and Roberts -- and

There goes Roe.
There goes Griswold.
There goes Miranda (mostly gone already).
There goes Baker v. Carr.
There goes Loving v. Virginia.
There goes Brown v. Board of Education.
There goes the National Labor Relations Act.
There goes the Clean Air Act.
There goes the Clean Air Act.
There goes Medicare.
There goes the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
There goes America.

Need I go on???

[napoleon_in_rags]

8. Its a serious concern.

Amplified by the race/gender thing. Bush very well could have left us a ticking time bomb in the economy that won't completely explode till 2009. If it explodes on the watch of our guy, that's one thing. But if the first black/woman president presides over one of the greatest economic collapses in our history, that doesn't do a lot for the American mental state.

edit: I think the best defense is to fight for the truth to be known if things do go down this way. If we don't let Bush off the hook, the world will know the truth. We should still fight for the nominee.

[JI7]

10. and the fixing is not going to start until we have a Democrat in office

better it happens now .

[bellasgrams]

15. It's going to take a dem that has the experience and knowledge

to know what to do. BO just hasn't got it. In his ad about not taking any money from oil companies. He doesn't seem to know that no candidates take money from oil companies, it's against the law. Someone should clue him in.

[ashling]

12. You definitely forgot the sarcasm thingie

[JDPriestly]

14. McCain is mentally unstable, opportunistic and incompetent.

Sound familiar? I think that 8 years of a mentally unstable, opportunistic, incompetent president is enough. Both Obama and Hillary are mentally stable, less opportunistic and competent. Either Obama or Hillary beats McCain by thousands of miles. Make that millions of miles. McCain is a no starter. I know he wants to try to get moderate Democrats to vote for him. But, we've had enough of Republicans for a long time.

It isn't just about McCain. It isn't just about the Supreme Court. It's about the right-wing extremists that McCain would have to appoint to all kinds of offices from OSHA to the EPA to the attorney general's office -- dangerous right-wing extremists. They have ruined our country. We need to get them out.

Also, we need to have a Truth Commission to find out what has been going on during the secretive Bush years. I don't think McCain would have the political independence or the personal strength to guide the country through the period of acknowledgment of the truth and reconciliation of all Americans that is needed. Frankly, there are things I don't like about Obama, but I suspect that he is the only candidate who can bring Americans back together and heal the rifts that the Republicans have caused (for their own political gain) since Reagan was elected.

[Tesha]

16. I certainly thought the same thing about Bush/Kerry in 2004.

The mess he'd have inherited and the fact that the Republican
majorities in the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and Media
would have impeded everything he tried to do, would have
almost assured a Kerry Presidency of being a spectacular
failure. And the dynamic reaally hasn't changed much since
2004, although "Democrats" now have a narrow majority in
the House and Senate.

We're about to hit the wall, crash, and burn. Maybe it
should happen under a Republican Presidency rather than
a Democratic Presidency so *THE PARTY THAT WAS
ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISASTER* gets
the credit. Maybe *THAT* would finally marginalize the
Republican party for a few decades? Or, dare I dream,
forever?

(And before anyone says it: there's no guarantee at all
that having a Democratic President will save us from
crashing and burning; far too much momentum is already
invested in bringing about the disaster for America.)

Tesha

[retread]

18. Just what the world needs! More suffering and misery inflicted on the most vulnerable! n/t

[Maggie_May]

20. I also wonder the same thing

After some thought I don't think we could go though another 4 years of this war. The economy is bad and will probably worsen and of course when we do elect a Democrat they are going to say it's all their fault. But if McCain is our president we will be in way worse shape. The next president will have a lot of cleaning up to do but, I would rather have a Democrat do it than a Repuk and day.

[lonestarnot]

21. Oh boy yeah! McWar sure let's have it!

:applause: I don't even need to ask whether or not you're nuts.

[lastliberalintexas]

22. Even though some have dismissed your concerns

as silly or idiotic, I personally have worried about this for some time. I remember the Nixon inherited mess which ensured Carter would be a one term president, and I don't want to see that again. I'd rather McCain inherit Bush's mess and be like Hoover after he inherited Coolidge's crap economy. One ushered in the FDR/Truman days of incredible prosperity and the beginnings of civil rights expansion in this country, the other scenario ushered in the Reagan Revolution.

I'm voting Dem as always, but if we lose this one I won't be as devastated as I was in 2000.


Yes, I know the Court is an important issue. FDR dealt with a right wing court because of the public will for the New Deal programs. In the short term the Court could issue some bad rulings, but in the long term I think they would turn at least moderately left in order to survive.

And before anyone says it, I am not hoping for a Coolidge blamed on Hoover type economic collapse, I just see it possibly coming. Acknowledging the likelihood is not hoping for it, but we must be prepared for it anyway.