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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:08 AM
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When Airlines Fail, Fliers Have Few Protections
The Wall Street Journal

THE MIDDLE SEAT
By SCOTT MCCARTNEY

When Airlines Fail, Fliers Have Few Protections
Law's Lapse Leaves Carriers With Little Incentive to Honor Tickets From Defunct Rivals
April 8, 2008; Page D1

Airlines have a new attitude toward customers of failed carriers: It's your loss, not ours. With more airlines folding these days, the impact on consumers can be severe. Passenger carriers are no longer required to honor tickets of failed competitors because Congress let a government protection for travelers expire in 2006. So when Aloha Airgroup Inc., ATA Airlines Inc. and Skybus Airlines Inc. all shut down last week, some airlines, including the nation's two biggest, refused to accept stranded ticket-holders.


That is a big change for consumers. They used to be able to buy tickets on struggling airlines with reasonable expectations that either the airline would keep flying if it went bankrupt, or other airlines would honor tickets for a small fee. Now, consumers need to be far more careful in picking airlines, especially for tickets bought months in advance. AMR Corp.'s American and UAL Corp.'s United, struggling themselves under high oil prices, said they would accommodate Aloha, ATA and Skybus ticket-holders only if they purchased a new ticket for their travel. The carriers said they did offer tickets at discounted prices rather than full-fare, last-minute purchase prices. United said it offered a one-way fare of $275 from Honolulu or Maui to Los Angeles with no advance-purchase requirements, for example, and $475 from Honolulu to Chicago. American said it waived advance-purchase requirements so Aloha, ATA and Skybus ticket-holders could get discounted inventory if available. But the reality is that at least some customers paid very steep prices. The Maui News reported several customers at Maui's airport said they had to pay $900 each for one-way tickets from Maui to Los Angeles on American.

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The lack of government safeguards, coupled with more-frequent failures, makes struggling airlines riskier for consumers. Carriers that run out of money are finding no new cash is available to keep flying during a restructuring because of the credit crisis and lack of airline investors. So they have to shut down.. Congress had protected airline passengers against disruptions such as these shutdowns, but that ended in November 2006, according to the Department of Transportation. Now, a DOT spokesman says, "We encourage other airlines to honor tickets when they can."

That's something airlines have historically done. But when tough times threatened to kill that tradition, Congress wrote it into law. In November 2001, after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Congress required airlines to rebook passengers from failed airlines for a handling fee, which the DOT set at $25 one-way and raised to $50 one-way in 2005. The law also gave consumers 60 days to ride standby at $50 each way. But after lobbying by airlines, Congress let the requirement expire. Airlines argued they shouldn't have to suffer financially from failed competitors.
ose customers.

Travelers who bought tickets on now-failed airlines with credit cards do have some protection under the Fair Credit Billing Act. If the airline doesn't deliver the service you bought, your credit-card company has to refund the ticket purchase -- you must dispute the charge within 60 days. Credit-card companies are prepared for refunds -- they require troubled airlines to maintain cash reserves so there is a pool of money available to cover refunds. Travelers who bought tickets through code-share arrangements have more options -- the airline that sold the ticket should accommodate you. If you bought a United ticket for travel on its partner Aloha, United will rebook you free (but not if you bought the same flight from Aloha). Southwest Airlines Co. sold tickets for flights actually flown by ATA, its code-sharing partner, and promised to re-accommodate customers holding Southwest tickets on Southwest or other airlines.

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URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120761638090996823.html (subscription)


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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:11 AM
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1. Costs less to ground the planes than pay for gas.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:17 AM
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2. I hadn't heard that ATA shut down too.
Wow.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:33 AM
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9. Yes, Apr 3
I guess they lost their FedEx contract, so they decided to shut down operations immediately.

To their credit, all their airplanes that were in the air were permitted to continue to their destination and land safely.

For those with round-trip tickets who had completed the "outbound" leg, yikes.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:33 AM
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3. We could solve this problem by kicking the oil-shilling motherfuckers out of the white house.
:nuke:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:40 AM
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4. "Failed" carriers..
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 01:42 AM by SoCalDem
Many of the youngers DUers do not know that once upon a time there were MANY carriers...and real competition.. Planes were comfy, food was good, schedules were kept to, and even luggage went lost less often..


here's a list of airlines that "used to be"..


* AAXICO Airlines (1946 - 1965, to Saturn Airways)
* Access Air (1998 - 2001)
* ADI Domestic Airlines
* Aeroamerica (1974 - 1982)
* Aero Coach (1983 - 1991)
* Aero International Airlines
* Aeromech Airlines (1951 - 1983, to Wright Airlines)
* AeroSun International
* AFS Airlines (Arcata Flying Service)
* Air America (owned and operated by the CIA in SouthEast Asia)
* Air America (1980s)
* Air Astro
* Air Atlanta (1981 - 88)
* AirAtlantic Airlines
* Air Bama
* Air Berlin, Inc. (Air Berlin USA) (1978-1990 )
* Airborne Express (1946 - 2003, to DHL)
* Air California, later AirCal (1967 - 87, to American Airlines)
* Air Carolina
* Air Central (Michigan)
* Air Central (Oklahoma) (to Trans-Central Airlines)
* Air Chaparral (1980 - 82)
* Air Chico
* Air Colorado
* Air Cortez
* Air Florida (1972 - 84)
* Air Gemini
* Air General
* Air Great Lakes
* Air Hawaii (1960s) (1960s)
* Air Hawaii (ceased operations in 1986)
* Air Hyannis
* Air Idaho
* Air Illinois
* Air Iowa
* Airlift International (1946 - 81)
* Air Kentucky
* Air LA
* Air-Lift Commuter
* Air Lincoln
* Air Link Airlines
* Air Link Airways
* Air Metro
* Air Miami (to North American Airlines)
* Air Michigan
* Air Mid-America
* Air Midwest
* Air Missouri
* Air Molokai (1980s)
* Air Molokai (1990s)
* Air Molokai-Tropic Airlines
* Air Nebraska
* Air Nevada
* Air New England (1975 - 81)
* Air New Orleans (1981 - 88)
* Air Niagara
* Air North (Alaska)
* Air North (1963 - 1983, to Brockway Air)
* Air O'Hare
* Air Olympia
* Air Oregon
* Air1 (1980s)
* Air One (1990s)
* AirPac
* Air Pacific (USA)
* Air Pennsylvania
* Air Resorts Airline
* Air Sierra
* Air South (1968 - 1975, to Florida Airlines;
* Air South (1981-1982)
* Air South (1986-1987)
* Air South (1994-1997)
* Air Speed (1974)
* Air Spirit
* Air Sunshine (1970s)
* Air Sunshine (1980s)
* Air Texana
* Air Texas
* Air Trails
* Air 21
* Air US
* Air Utah
* AirVantage Airlines
* Air Vegas (1971 - 2004)
* Air Vermont
* Air Virginia
* Airways of New Mexico
* Air West
* Alaska Air Transport (1935 to 1939) to Alaska Coastal Airlines
* Alaska Coastal Airlines (1939 - 1968) to Alaska Airlines
* Alaska Coastal-Ellis Airlines
* Albany Air
* All American Aviation Company (became US Airways)
* Allegheny Airlines (became US Airways)
* Aloha Airlines (1946, ceased operations 4 Apr 2008)
* American Central Airlines
* American Flyers Airline
* American International Airways
* American Overseas Airlines (1945 - 1950) merged into Pan American World Airways
* Arista International Airlines
* Arizona Airways
* Arizona Airways (1993-1996)
* Aroostook Airways
* Aspen Airways (1962 - 1990)
* ATA Airlines (ceased operations 4 Apr 2008)
* Atlantic Coast Airlines (1989 - 2004, to Independence Air)
* Atlantic Gulf Airlines
* Bar Harbor Airlines (1971 - 1992)
* Big Sky Airlines (1978 - 2008)
* Boeing Air Transport (1927 - 1930) to United Airlines
* Bonanza Air Lines (1945 - 1968, to Hughes Airwest)
* Braniff (1991 - 1992)
* Braniff Inc. (1983 - 1990)
* Braniff International Airways (1928 - 1982)
* Britt Airways (1976 - 1987)
* Brockway Air
* Business Express Airlines to American Eagle
* CalPac (California Pacific) (1993 - 1995 to Mesa Airlines)
* Cal Sierra Airlines (1980)
* Cape Smythe Air (1975 - 2005, to Frontier Flying Service)
* Capitol Air Lines (1970s - 1980s)
* Capital Airlines (1936 - 1961, to United Airlines)
* Capitol Airways (1946 - 1982)
* Cardinal Airlines
* Caribbean Sun (2002 - 2007)
* Carnival Air Lines
* Cascade Airways (1969 - 1986)
* Catalina Airlines (1940 - 1969)
* CCAir
* Centennial Airlines
* Central Airlines (1944 - 1967)
* Challenge Air Cargo (1978 - 2001)
* Chicago Air
* Chicago and Southern Air Lines (1934 - 1953)
* Chicago Express Airlines (1993 - 2005)
* Coastal Airways (1929 -1930)
* Cochise Airlines
* Colgan Airways (1971 - 1986, to Presidential Airways, revived 1991, and currently operating as Continental Express, United Express, and US Airways Express: see http://www.colganair.com)
* Colonial Air Transport (1926 - 1930)
* Command Airways
* Conquest Sun Airlines (to AirTran Airways)
* Crown Airways (1969 - 1992 to Mesa Airlines)
* Curtiss Flying Service (1929 - 1932)
* Delta Express (1996-2003: replaced by Song; folded back into Delta Air Lines)
* Desert Sun Airlines (1995 - 1997 to Mesa Airlines)
* Eastern Air Lines (1926 - 1991)
* Eastwind Airlines
* Ellis Airlines (1936 to 1962) to Alaska Coastal Airlines
* Emerald Air (1978 - 1991)
* Emery Worldwide Airlines (1977 - 2003)
* Empire Airlines (1976 - 1985, to Piedmont Airlines)
* Eureka Aero (c. 1976 - 1979)
* Falcon Air Express (1995 - 2007)
* Fine Air (1989 - 2004)
* Florida Coastal Airlines (ceased operations 2006)
* FloridaGulf Airlines (1991 - 1997, to Air Midwest)
* Flying Tiger Line (1945 - 1988, to Federal Express)
* Freelandia
* Frontier Airlines (1950 - 1986)
* Galaxy Airlines
* Gem State Airlines (1979, to Golden Gate Airlines)
* Gemini Airlines
* Global International Airways (1981 - ?)
* Golden Gate Airlines (1980-1981)
* Golden Pacific Airlines (1969-1973)
* Golden Pacific Airlines (1981 - 1988)
* Golden West Airlines
* Great Plains Airlines (2001 - 2004)
* Great Western Aviation Company (to AirVantage Airlines)
* Gulf Air Transport (1979 - 1990)
* Hooters Air (2003 - 2006)
* Hughes Airwest (1968 - 1980, to Republic Airlines)
* Imperial Airlines (1964 - 1986)
* Independence Air (2004 - 2006)
* Independent Air (1966 - 1990)
* Indigo Airlines
* Intermountain Airlines
* Irving Airways (1936) to Alaska Air Transport
* Island Pacific Air (to Air Hawaii)
* Jet 24 (1981 - 1986)
* Jet Express
* Key Airlines
* Kitty Hawk Airways
* Kitty Hawk International (to Kalitta Air)
* Kiwi International Air Lines
* L'Express Airlines (1989-1992)
* Lake Central Airlines (1949 - 1968, to Allegheny Airlines)
* Lakeland Airlines (1980 - 1984)
* Las Vegas Airlines (1973 - 1987)
* Legend Airlines (1996 - 2000)
* Leisure Air (1992 - 1995)
* Liberty Express Airlines ((1994 - 1997, to Air Midwest)
* Lone Star Airlines
* Mackey Airlines (1957 - 1981)
* Maddux Airlines (1927 - 1929, to Transcontinental Air Transport)
* Mahalo Air (1993 - 1997)
* Mall Airways (1973 - 1989, to Business Express)
* Marine Airways (1936 to 1939) to Alaska Coastal Airlines
* MarkAir (1947 - 1995)
* Marquette Airlines (to Trans World Airlines)
* MAXjet (2005 - 2007)
* Mayflower Airlines (1936 - 1945)
* MetroJet
* Mexus Airlines
* MGM Grand Air
* MidAtlantic Airways (2002 - 2006)
* Mid-Continent Airlines (1928 - 1952, to Braniff)
* Mid Pacific Air (1981 - 1988)
* Mid-State Airlines (1964 - ?, to Sentry Airlines)
* Midway Airlines (1979 - 1991 and 1993 - 2003)
* Mississippi Valley Airlines (1969 - 1985)
* Modern Air Transport (1946-1975)
* Mohawk Airlines (1952 - 1988, to Allegheny Airlines)
* Morris Air to Southwest Airlines
* Mountain Air Express
* Mountain West Airlines (1995 - 1997 to Mesa Airlines)
* Muse Air to Southwest Airlines
* National Airlines (1929 - 1980, to Pan American World Airways)
* National Airlines (1983 - 1986)
* National Airlines/Private Jet Expeditions (1994 - 1995)
* National Airlines (1999 - 2002)
* National Air Transport (1926 - 1930)
* Nations Air Express (1994-1998)
* Nationwide Airlines Southeast
* New England & Western Air Transportation Co. (1930)
* New York Air (1980 - 1986, to Continental Airlines)
* New York Airways (1949 - 1979)
* New York, Rio, and Buenos Aires Line (to Pan American World Airways)
* North American Airlines
* North Central Airlines (1939 - 1979)
* Northeast Airlines (1940 - 1972, to Delta Air Lines)
* Northeastern International Airways (1980 - 1986)
* Overseas National Airways (1950 - 1978)
* Ozark Airlines (1943 - 1986, to Trans World Airlines)
* Pacific Air Lines (1958 - 1968, to Hughes Airwest)
* Pacific Air Transport (1926 - 1927)
* Pacific Alaska Airways (1973 - 1986)
* Pacific East Airlines (ceased operations 1984)
* Pacific Express
* Pacific Nevada Airlines
* Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) (1945 - 1987, to USAir)
* Pan American Airways (1996-1998)
* Pan American Airways (1998-2004)
* Pan American-Grace Airways (Panagra) (1928 - 1967, to Braniff International Airways)
* Pan American World Airways (1927 - 1991)
* Paradise Island Airlines
* People Express (1981 - 1987, to Continental Airlines)
* Piedmont Airlines (1940 - 1989, to USAir)
* Pilgrim Airlines
* Pioneer Airlines
* Planet Airways (????- June 8, 2005, speculation only at this point in time)
* Potomac Air
* Presidential Airways (1985 - 1989)
* Private Jet Expeditions (1989 - 1995)
* Pride Air (August 1985 - November 1985)
* Pro Air (1997 - 2000)
* Provincetown-Boston Airlines
* Ransome Airlines (1967 - 1986)
* Rahm Rescue (?-1971)
* Red Carpet Airlines
* Red Dodge Aviation
* Reeve Aleutian Airways (1932 - 2001)
* Regent Air
* RegionsAir (1996 - 2007)
* Reno Air (1990 - 99, to American Airlines)
* Republic Airlines (1979 - 1986, to Northwest Airlines)
* Rich International Airways (1971 - 1996)
* Riddle Airlines (1945 - 1965, to Airlift International
* Rio Airways (1970 - 1987)
* Robertson Air Service
* Rocky Mountain Airways (1964 - 1986)
* Russia Jet Direct (2005)
* Samoa Air (American Samoa, ceased operations in 2003)
* Saturn Airways (1960 - 76, to Trans International Airlines)
* Seaboard World Airlines (1946 - 80, to Flying Tiger Line)
* Shuttle by United and United Shuttle (1994 - 2001)
* Skybus Airlines (2007-2008, ceased operations 5 Apr 2008)
* SkyTrain Airlines (to Air Great Lakes)
* SkyValue (2006-2007)
* Slick Airways (1946-1965)
* Song (2003-April 30th, 2006 Merged back in with its parent company, Delta Air Lines)
* South Pacific Island Airways (SPIA) (American Samoa, ceased operations in 1987)
* Southeast Airlines (1992 - 2004)
* Southern Air Transport
* Southern Airways (1943 - 1979, to Republic Airlines)
* Southern Jersey Airways
* Southwest Airways (1946 - 58, renamed Pacific Air Lines)
* Standard Airlines (1926 - 30) 1927 subsidiary of Aero Corp. of Ca., In 1930, bought by Western Air Express, thru merger with TAT became TWA, Transcontinental & Western Air, Trans World Airlines
* StatesWest Airlines (1986-1993)
* Stol Air Commuter
* Sunbird Airlines (1979-1987 to CCAir)
* SunCoast Airlines (?-1988)
* Sun West Airlines
* Sunworld International Airlines (? - 2004)
* Superior Airlines (1993 - 1995 to Mesa Airlines
* Swift Aire Lines (1969 - 1981)
* TAG Airlines
* Tamir Transport (?-1971)
* TAT - Maddux Air Lines (1928 - 30)
* Tennessee Airways
* Texas Air
* Texas Trans Air
* Texas International Airlines (1944 - 1986, to Continental Airlines)
* The Hawaii Express (1982 - 1983)
* Tower Air (1983 - 2000)
* Trans Air (1979 -1985)
* Transamerica Airlines (1948 - 1986)
* Trans-Central Airlines
* Transcontinental Air Transport (1928 - 1930, TWA)
* TransMeridian Airlines (1995 - 2005)
* Transocean Airlines 1946-1962
* Trans International Airlines (1947 - 1986)
* TranStar Airlines (1981 - 1987)
* Trans-Colorado Airlines
* Trans-Texas Airways
* Trans World Airlines (1930 - 2001, to American Airlines)
* Trans World Express
* Trump Shuttle (1989 - 1991, to US Airways)
* UltrAir (1993)
* Universal Airlines (US Cargo Operator 1966 - 1972, to Trans International Airlines)
* ValuJet Airlines (1993 - 1997, to AirTran Airways)
* Vanguard Airlines (1994 - 2002)
* Varney Airlines to United Airlines
* WestAir Commuter Airlines
* West Coast Airlines (1940s - 1968, to Hughes Airwest)
* Western (2007)
* Western Airlines (1925 - 1987, to Delta Air Lines)
* Western Pacific Airlines (ceased operations 1998)
* Westward Airways (2002 - 2005)
* Wien Air Alaska
* Wilmington - Catalina Air Line
* WinAir Airlines (1998 - 1999)
* Wings Airways
* Wright Airlines
* Zantop Air Transport
* Zantop Flying Service
* Zantop International Airlines



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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:15 PM
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11. Perhaps some of them would have folded by now, especially with the fuel costs
but, at least, they were regulated to benefit us, the consumers.

Recently someone commented about conflict of interest in the FAA. Of course. This was evident during the ValueJet disaster, when it was clear that the FAA was more interested in pushing for more flights than for assuring safety.

This dual, conflicting mission is now in the front, again, with the grounding of so many American flights.


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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:20 PM
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12. I was left holding a BIA ticket in '82
when the first Braniff folded. I believe AA honored it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:42 PM
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13. We LOVED Braniff..especially the Calder jets
:)

and of course PanAm
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:59 PM
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14. I Loved New York!
I loved New York Airlines!

A Big Apple on its planes!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:29 AM
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5. Why do you think airlines want your money so far "up front"? (NT)
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:06 AM
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6. It totally sucks
We have family on the other coast we want to visit. I have vouchers for Northwest I can use to help pay for the flights. I can't decide whether to let the current airline mess straighten itself out and fly later, or to fly now before Northwest goes out of business, too.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:10 PM
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10. Norrthwest should be OK. A few years ago it operated under bankruptcy
and came out of it, with major concession from the pilots and mechanics and attendants, while fat bonus for top management, of course!

It is now in talk with Delta so, one way or the other, it will survive.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:07 AM
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7. Frontier filing today.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:10 AM
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8. They're going to keep flying
According to the news this morning, their problem was that they got screwed over by the credit-card companies.
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