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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:14 PM
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Ethanol cars run on human misery.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 07:17 PM by lamprey
That oh-so-progressive chief of the WTO has a few words to dayy on the march of biofuels and world hunger:

Fill up with E85, starve a child. 11th April 2008

The head of the World Bank has said that soaring food prices are causing hardship and starvation for poor people worldwide, and implied that at least some of the blame lay with Western governments' efforts to encourage biofuel use.

"While many worry about filling their gas tanks, many others around the world are struggling to fill their stomachs," said Bank supremo Robert Zoellick, quoted in today's Guardian.

"This is not just about meals forgone today, or about increasing social unrest, it is about lost learning potential for children and adults in the future, stunted intellectual and physical growth," he added.

"We estimate that the effect of this food crisis on poverty reduction worldwide is in the order of seven lost years."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/11/world_bank_biofuel_kicking/
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I also wonder how many acres of Brazilian rain forest it takes to fill a few E85 SUVs?
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SteinbachMB Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:16 PM
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1. Using food crops for gas
...is INSANE.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:16 PM
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12. this was a bit hard to predict
corn was a historically low $1.60/bushel just a few years ago and farming as we know it was a few years from being completely ruined. Now it's swung back way too far the other direction. No matter what you use for biofuels, it will take land out of food production.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:28 PM
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2. He seemed to be very upset this morning when
his interviewer tried to back him into this corner.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:31 PM
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3. Yeah, what can you expect when WTO rules puts the enviromnent
onto the bonfire. 'Reclaiming agricultural land' in Indonesia.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:54 PM
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4. Who cares?
It's the price at the pump and a few votes in Iowa right? :sarcasm:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:58 PM
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5. Beats Arab Oil..
expect dis-information. We direct fortunes out of this country for oil. Any bio product that we can use as fuel takes money from these guys.

We are destroying supply by converting it to energy.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:05 PM
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6. And the hungry be damned.
Try tuning in the BBC for 'food riots' at the moment, in low oil using nations. A UN request went out of hundred's of thousands of tons of seed. Few acceptances, but all that grain makes a pretty gallon of gas.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:48 PM
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11. Please read up on the subject.
It's not the oil companies that publish the truth about how the poor are exploited for plant-based fuel.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:12 PM
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7. Brazil uses sugar cane to make their ethanol....
I read a long time ago that it's much better than the ethanol here in the states which grain is made from. Now, I can see someone saying that it can harm food supplies in that case.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:21 PM
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8. Today the price is about 75 cent less for E-85 in the Omaha area

Hard for some people to pass up even with the reduced mileage.

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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 PM
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9. I support sustainable growth...
it seems alot of nations cant sustain thier growth without foreign food, which IMO is sad for them, but will eventually work itself out eventually.

A couple years back I remember a news report that farmers in other nations complaining that Americanss dumping thier excess grains on the world market and as foreign aid was driving down the prices to where they couldnt make a profit.

Now it seems that is no longer the case, it looks like they should be able to make profits now and maybe there will be more farming to feed the people.

The real downside I see is that unfortunately more rainforests will probably be burned out to make room for more farms.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:45 PM
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10. Thanks for posting!
People should not buy into the "green hype". :hi:



























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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:35 PM
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13. This caught me off gaurd. Amazing that people are rioting over food prices
Oil creates death and despair - who knew food crops would be turned into fuel without significant planning or thought put into the consequences.
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