Should girl fights be banned from youtube

[Prefer]

or should fights in general be banned?

It is creating a problem because people try to imitate what they see, so it has the effect of enticing people to commit these acts and produce the videos.

I went on the spider interface of youtube and within two clicks of the Obama clip I had followed in, I was in a world of "girl fight" videos.

What on earth is the productive purpose of this? To me it seems to be an abuse of the service. It is degrading to people.

Porn is banned, but this violence pornography is growing and festering. I don;t want my kids to wind up the victim of someone's "fight video" dreams and schemes.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Should Freedom of Speach be banned in America ??????

[Prefer]

2. So, by that argument, do you think Porn should be on youtube?

[seabeyond]

go out, gang rape and then air it for entertainment. oh joy to freedom of speech

raping, and beating the shit out of someone, both a crime..... for you entertainment?

[Warren Stupidity]

63. that first part would be a felony.

the second part would be the evidence that put you in jail.

[sakabatou]

74. How about a strawman for entertainment?

[seabeyond]

75. it isnt on you tube to entertain? people dont watch it to be entertained? n/t

[BulletproofLandshark]

19. YouTube isn't obligated to host violent videos on their website.

People can make this filth if they choose to, but the 1st Amendment doesn't require YouTube to host it over their servers. Not a free speech issue at all.

[seabeyond]

23. then the police can "choose" to arrest their ass for assault. n/t

[verges]

26. Self delete

for misunderstanding post I was responding to. oops.

[seabeyond]

27. yes. you don't understand what i am saying n/t

[BulletproofLandshark]

57. As well they should.

[Warren Stupidity]

65. which would make a real problem self correcting.

If the videos document felonious assault and battery, the criminals will have a rather short youtube career. If on the other hand no crime is being committed then it actually is none of your business if it is displayed on youtube or not. It is youtube's business. Don't watch the voluntary consensual girl fights if you don't like them.

[BulletproofLandshark]

69. Are you going out of your way to earn your namesake?

Obviously I'm not referring to the people who just want to throw down for fun. They may act like idiots, but I'm not advocating they get shut down or anything like that.

[Warren Stupidity]

72. From the posts on this thread I would have no way of knowing

what you are advocating. As I said: posting videos of your felonious acts on youtube is self correcting and thus not a problem.

[tinrobot]

53. Detaining and beating up a 16 year old girl is not "freedom"

...it's kidnapping and assault. That's not freedom of anything.

By saying it's OK to post these videos, the message is that it's also OK to make these videos.

[Warren Stupidity]

64. Should newspapers and television be banned from showing

criminal behavior?

[seabeyond]

3. how fair is it to the victim. it abuses her/him all over again. thousands watching

humiliation and being entertained. is it sounding like a rape and then putting it out for others to enjoy.

i would like a recourse where the person victimized can sue the shit out of everyone

[Prefer]

5. Cock fighting is banned, but girlfighting is A-OK

One of them had a rap song in the background that went something like

"Smack that bich, Smack that bitch,
She fucked your baby daddy"

And the video reminded me of someone staging a dog fight or a cock fight. So I am amazed that those are actually illegal, but people can post this fighting stuff on you tube for teens to enjoy.

[seabeyond]

6. kicking the shit out of another is illegal too. disgusting what people demand to be entertained. n

[Prefer]

7. “girlfight” video results 1 - 20 of about 6,980

almost 7 thousand girl fights on youtube?

that's an epidemic.

[seabeyond]

8. it is sick..... it is sick in so many ways, and we "pretend" we are not. n/t

[Maureen1322]

4. Yes

[flvegan]

9. People enjoy violence, so long as they aren't getting hurt.

Look at the almost incredulous popularity of that Ultimate Fighting/Cagefighting garbage. I can see appreciating it for the skill and experience involved, but most just watch it for the headshots and blood.

We as a society are becoming more and more accepting of human cockfighting and detuned to real violence altogether.

[Prefer]

10. I hear they have ultimate fighting for kids now

just read that the other day.

[flvegan]

12. Yep. As young as 6 years old.

And the parents LOVE it. There's your real human cockfighting.

[Echo In Light]

18. Exactly: diseased, brainwashed, fucked culture that LOVES violence and "gladiators"

Corporate "values" at work.

"The decay and disintegration of this culture is astonishingly amusing if you are emotionally detached from it. I have always viewed it from a safe distance, knowing I don't belong; it doesn't include me, and it never has. No matter how you care to define it, I do not identify with the local group. Planet, species, race, nation, state, religion, party, union, club, association, neighborhood, improvement committee;I have no interest in any of it. I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."

~ George Carlin

[alarimer]

36. We are a truly disgusting society

The more of this kind of thing I see, the more I want to hide out in my house away from all those other people. Because they are dangerous and truly sickening. I hate people. I am with George Carlin on this- like some people as individuals but DESPISE them in groups, any groups.

[seabeyond]

52. hangings as entertainment. that always stuck with me.

i knew i would not be the person to join the mob. but gladiator is so right on. that is how i feel we are today.

love carlin. had son watching one saying question everything. parents especially dont want you to. they also wont let you watch me, telling you to question all.

son and i laugh

[tinrobot]

54. Some people enjoy violence.

I certainly don't.

[flvegan]

55. I should have said "some", you are correct.

I certainly didn't mean that people in general enjoy violence.

It's too late to edit, but thanks for pointing that out.

[DarkTirade]

66. Considering it was only a couple thousand years ago that they had gladiator fights...

I don't think we've become any more accepting of it lately. It's just easier to find now that we have cable TV and high-speed internet.

[ismnotwasm]

11. "Girl Fights?"

I saw that one video and my first response was those ignorant little assholes needed to be sent to a hard core juvie were they'd see what an ass beating really is. Up close and personal. Gender would have exactly nothing to do with it.

Then, when I stopped being a ignorant little asshole, I thought, why in hell is that crap on youtube. Any deliberately staged illegal violence should be banned.

Girl fights. Gawd

[Fumesucker]

13. If we ban anything that might harm children from youtube

What would be left?

[Prefer]

15. Things that are not harmful...

I'm not about censorship, but this crosses a line of human degradation that is simply unhealthy for society. Keep in mind we're talking about a forum that is mainly used by teens and preteens.

[Fumesucker]

20. There is a wide disparity of opinion

On just what is "harmful" to children.

Personally I think religious indoctrination is harmful to children..

Should that be banned?

[seabeyond]

24. kicking the shit out of someone is against the law. this is HARMFUL to EVERYONE

this is not about our children. i think it is even more disgusting these adults raising our children are being entertained by humiliation of another.....

that is SICK

[Fumesucker]

30. HItting another is illegal and sick?

Explain pro football, hockey, boxing, ultimate fighting, etc..

[seabeyond]

32. yup n/t

[Fumesucker]

37. When was the last time a pro hockey player was arrested

For hitting another player?

[seabeyond]

40. are you going to argue that you can walk to a person on street, hit them, and not get in trouble

that it is not against the law.

again, you create a false argument that is a waste of time

[Fumesucker]

43. I'm responding to the claim that hitting is illegal

And pointing out that it is not always so.

[seabeyond]

47. so what? so what that it is not ALWAYS illegal? that is not what this is about

the moon reflect light.

so what

[ismnotwasm]

50. Planning and deliberately

recording to beat someone's ass is illegal. Clear enough? I mean What the fuck? Ever watch a street fight? Ever watch someone end up hospitalized or dead? Ever hold the hand of some screaming 12 year old kid in ER getting catheterized with bleeding kidney's? Think that's entertainment?

Oh My my

[petronius]

62. Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley, Dino Cicarelli

Hockey players have faced prosecution for acts that went beyond the norml scope of the game. I suppose that applies to other sports as well.

I've never seen a 'girlfight' video, but I would assume there is a legal difference between a consensual fight between two people and a beatdown where a victim was attacked. Mutually agreed upon combat seems OK to me - it's just ultra-amateur non-sanctioned boxing.

I suppose the legal gray areas are whether or not people can consent to genuine injury, and whether minors can consent to fights at all...

[seabeyond]

16. it is illegal. it is a crime. there is a victim. it is creating a vicitm a second time for

entertainment.... the entertainment of another. humiliate a person for your entertainment.

crime. against law. illegal. to beat the shit out of another.

gang rape.... and put on utube to entertain

why not?

[Prefer]

17. Next is Lynching

and the justification "It's not a lynching if there is no organ failure"

[seabeyond]

21. people are beig so conditioned to no boundaries.... no boundaries toward humanity

within families, withour leaders, amongst our school, in our police, world wide.

this is the result

there are boundaries to decency

[Fumesucker]

34. You tax dollars go to providing for the most powerful killing machine on the planet..

Over 500,000 dead Iraqis, a big percentage of them innocents..

And yet, a few fights on youtube are conditioning us to no boundaries toward humanity.

[seabeyond]

38. i think you purposely ignored a portion of post. that is included. n/t

[Fumesucker]

22. I've been in several fights in my life..

I've never started one, but I have fought back when attacked..

And prevailed.

Was my fighting back illegal? Should I have just let someone kick the shit out of me?

[seabeyond]

25. bully for you... and i have never been in a fight. who cares. hitting someone

is illegal. to gang up on someone and beat the shit out of them is illegal. for you to be entertained at anothers expense is sick

[Fumesucker]

28. Is it illegal to fight back when attacked?

That is my question, one you will not answer.

[seabeyond]

31. go for a question i dont really give a shit about, taking it away from argument

i dont care and has nothing to do with the second person hitting, protecting self.

if someone came up behind you, pinned you, butt fucked you with a huge smile, put it on youtube for all to be entertained, ..... is it right?

[Echo In Light]

33. Fight back when necessary, avoid it altogether when possible

I was in fist fights when I was young, and even by a relatively early age I had that much figured out. Richard Pryor had a great bit about fighting, and the Macho Man: he said your pride will heal much quicker than busted ribs.

[Fumesucker]

39. Sometimes it is impossible to avoid..

That is my point..

[seabeyond]

41. so what? that has nothing to do with anything. so what? n/t

[Echo In Light]

48. Which is why I stated "when necessary."

[Echo In Light]

29. I agree with you. Try dissenting against those stadiums full of football or boxing fans

...and then you'll see some serious lynching take place ...fuckin' lunatics would be salivating over the prospect.

[seabeyond]

35. boxing, football, all in favor. one person getting shit kicked out of her by gang

is not a part.

but

i dont do well sittin with hubby as he watches that shit. i tend to ruin the experience for him.

[Fumesucker]

42. Gangs weren't mentioned in the OP

That is another subject.

FWIW, I don't watch sports at all..

[seabeyond]

44. girls fighting. a group of girls. called ganging up on one. gang rape

more than one, against one.....

[Fumesucker]

51. Nope.. Op specifically says "girl fights"

I respond to what is on the page, not what my imagination conjures up.

[Echo In Light]

46. I was simply making a point by alluding to given elements of corporate pop culture

Granted, there are unsavory aspects of human nature that society sublimates in various ways, but that dark root remains. Sort of how cults aren't considered cultish so long as the number of its followers exceeds a certain percentage.

[tinrobot]

60. It seems like you're so proud of your fighting abilities...

You'd post the fight video on YouTube yourself so you can declare victory to the world.

Seriously, I don't give a crap how well you fight or fight back, or whether it's legal or not -- just don't post the fight on YouTube. Nobody needs to see it.

[boobooday]

14. I think it should be banned

It's not freedom of speech if there is a victim with physical injuries.

Let them make a mean video and call her names or mock her. That's freedom of speech. Beating the shit out of her is not.

Violence IS pornography. At least pornography is about something emotionally healthy people do, and everyone does (at least most of it). Violence is about things we would never want to happen to us, and that we hopefully don't want to do to others.

[High Plains]

56. Can we ban all those cop car chase shows, too? Please.

[seabeyond]

59. the car chases had soemone breaking the law. he is not a victim

putting a fight out with a victim and having something illegal done to them is different.

do we rape, put that out as entertainment. even though a crime was on the person

[boobooday]

70. And the endless "prison" shows

Making a sideshow out of people's misery.

[Echo In Light]

73. YES! Acclimating the public mind to value the police state as entertainment

...usually over the backs of the less fortunate.

[seabeyond]

76. i hate the show "cops" for exactly that reason.

and i cannot believe some of the things that end up on that show that the cops dont have issue with. i cannot watch with hubby. another show i ruin for him. lol lol. along with john wayne movies, lol.

[Speck Tater]

45. If two people agree to stage a fight as an entertainment event,

such as happens in the Olympic wrestling and boxing events, then there is certainly nothing illegal about it.

If two amateurs both agree to stage a fight and make a video of that fight for YouTube, that is certainly their right. If the fight, and the video posting were mutually consensual, then there is no victim. If the fight was not mutually consensual then the victim has the right to take the attacker to court for assault (the proof of which is in the video) and to sue to have the video removed.

From that, one might conclude that the vast majority of "girl fight" videos on YouTube are there by mutual consent of all the parties involved, and do not constitute any kind of crime.

ED: Disclaimer: I have not watched any of these "girl fight" videos, so I don't really know what I'm talking about.

[seabeyond]

49. I don't really know what I'm talking about.

bah hahahah. i have done this too. given opinion and then oh btw.... havent seen, just off info given.

made me chuckle

[Vinca]

58. I don't know what should or should not be banned, but I would like

to know what the hell happened to parents. Don't they bother teaching their kids even the basic idea of how you live in a society?

[otohara]

61. Yes - Mean Girls Everywhere

will copy-cat, because we have a sickness to copy-cat when it comes to violence.

[uppityperson]

67. If youtube choses to ban them, yes.

They, like other media, have the right to publish what they wish, so long as it is legal. Is your question should violence be banned like porn is? Or is your question should the entity of youtube not allow them?

If it is banning violence, I agree. I would much prefer to have sexuality be shown than violence.

If it is having youtube change their policy, that is up to them. As with RW rags, supermarket tabloids, Readers Digest, they have the right to have their policies that I don't like so long as they are legal.

[RedCappedBandit]

68. Porn is banned from youtube but still easily accessible..

so what good would banning "fight" videos do? And what if there is no victim in said video? Not all fights are illegal.

[tkmorris]

71. No

I despise nanny-statism. Instead, address why kids have any desire to watch such videos. Teach them decent values and they won't have the desire to see strangers get their ass kicked on the internet.