Who else is sick of seeing the abused pig on DU's front page?

[jgraz]

I do a lot of work with animals, including helping out with the humane farming movement here in CA. One of the reasons I do it is so I don't have to be exposed to shit like that.

People know what goes on in these slaughterhouses, and they either care or they don't. Shocking us with nasty pictures won't change that one bit.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I, too, would like to see it be taken off. I understand that this goes on--

I am a Humane Society volunteer, and I see enough sad and disturbing shit every week that I really don't need to see this too, frankly.

[jhrobbins]

88. Hear, hear!!!

[mike_c]

2. me....

Ugh.

[Canuckistanian]

3. Two words. Firefox and Adblocker n/t

[Yael]

15. Yup -- handy little addon

Just blocked all 3 of the feeds.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865

[devilgrrl]

21. thank you for posting that link!

:thumbsup:

[Yael]

31. When you install it, it will put a red icon to the right of search on the top menu line

(Assuming you are using the core skin).

If you click that icon, the screen will split horizontally and all linkage will be shown.

Scroll down and double click the ones that include blogads.com

Those lines will turn from black to red in your view.

When you are done, click the red x in the upper right side of the view and it will return you to normal, less the ad.

:thumbsup:

Edit to add -- you need to be on the main page when you do this. The Ad Blocker defaults to the page you are on.

[Lars39]

50. Can I make the google ads disappear, too?

[Yael]

55. I would imagine

It looks like those are being reported as google-analytics.com

[Lars39]

60. I did it!

:bounce: Thanks!

[Yael]

63. Good job!

Happy to help. :)

[cbayer]

33. What a great little tool!

I have a terrible connection in my current location and that program is really helping! Thanks.

[Yael]

35. It will speed up page loads as those are external calls

with images and track-backs in them.

[myrna minx]

93. I'm a dolt, do you know how Safari users can block it? n/t

[Yael]

96. You are not a dolt

:hug:

Unfortunately, I am a Linux/Microsoft person and don't know a thing about Macs and am not running Safari anywhere to test.

Sorry. :(

[myrna minx]

99. Thanks for trying to help. I really appreciate it.

Mercifully (and I can't believe I'm saying this) the ad has changed from the cruelty committed against a piglet, to a slab of meat, which I can tolerate more than the piglet photo.

[MH1]

28. Heh, I was wondering, "what pig?"

:D

I'd installed adblocker so long ago I'd forgotten.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

43. I have Firefox with Adblocker and it still shows up as an advertisement on the home page.

[Yael]

48. Did you follow the instructions in post #31?

You have to manually choose to block it. It isn't automatic.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

53. Those instructions didn't help me, but I figured out how to do it.

I right-clicked on the ad and there is an option to block the photo.

Thanks!

[Yael]

56. Excellent!

It may be a different plugin.

Good to know.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. I really love Firefox! You can make it cool looking and its great to work with.

:hi:

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

46. Thank you ! Thank you ! Thank you!

BYW, did I say Thank you ??

[Canuckistanian]

72. You're welcome

It's a necessity for us people on slow dial-up connections.

[Kaleko]

51. Oh, is that why I don't see what you're talking about?

Good! x(

[f the letter]

62. It is great not to see advertisements, but :

Remember that companies will only pay for advertisement if they think people are seeing it. Think of how hard it would be to run sites like this and other information sites that take in a lot of money with ad revenue. The more popular those add-ons get, the less likely companies are to pay sites to post ads.

i will continue to just ignore advertisements and hope that it will always be a viable way of keeping sites like this alive.

[Canuckistanian]

76. I have nothing against ads - just let OTHER people see 'em

I totally ignore advertising anyways - it's just useless noise.

I can't remember the last time I ever bought something because of an ad. So I'm a lousy "audience" anyways.

I listen to commercial-free radio (CBC Radio), I watch commercial-free TV (TVOntario).

And Internet ads are the worst.

[BlooInBloo]

80. Whatever - it's my computer, and *I* control what files get downloaded to it.

[f the letter]

101. Absolutely, and nobody reasonably could tell you do otherwise. But :

Money from advertisers is currently keeping information available all over the internet. i'm all for that continuing, even though i have never intentionally clicked on advertisement or found it useful to me personally. Not a judgment on people using ad-blocking tools, just a counterpoint.

[Yael]

98. I donate to DU annually as well as their quarterly fund drives

I reserve the right to block animal slaughter ads (that they have no control over).

Life sucks and all that. :hi:

[f the letter]

100. Amen to donating to DU (and other sites we support)

i support any causes i believe in as much as i can too.. National Public Radio, ACLU, Erowid, etc. But all of them are significantly aided by advertisement money, and i don't think that's such a bad thing.

The video makes me sick too, and whatever your dietary preferences the ad is disturbing. i just hope that sites like DU can continue to draw money from advertisers, because it makes it a lot easier for small groups to get information of all sorts out to the sometimes-misinformed people.

[BlooInBloo]

79. Oh - that's why I have no idea what the OP is talking about.

[Boojatta]

112. Was it Porky Pig who said "I hate to see suffering"...

and then pulled down the window blind or was it Daffy Duck?

[Warpy]

4. If you eat meat, own it

because what happens to the stuff you buy in neat cellophane packages in the supermarket got there in a brutal and bloody way.

[flvegan]

8. Uh oh.

:popcorn:

[jgraz]

14. Wrong.

You can eat meat without buying the crap in the neat cellophane packages. The few times I eat a steak, I pay the extra $5 for a local, humanely-raised, grass-fed organic ribeye. If I can't find one, I eat something else.

Last night sucked, because my butcher only had local, organic beef OR humanely-raised, grass-fed beef from Uruguay (:shrug:). I ended up getting some nasty prepackaged sushi instead.

[Adsos Letter]

54. ...sushi...?

I don't touch that stuff since I found out about the Unificaton Church's involvement in supplying sushi products. Is there away to discriminate between "Moonie" sushi, and a less tainted product?

[jgraz]

64. This stuff was made in-house from salmon right off the dock

It's usually pretty good, but it was late and there wasn't much left.

[shireen]

81. totally agreed ...

i find that ad offensive, and certainly don't appreciate that tone of condemnation. I eat meat, but only buy from sources that treat their animals humanely (in my case, Whole Foods makes that job easier because they have the same philosophy).

[Blue-Jay]

16. I'll eat a live pig right in front of ya.

:D

[VotesForWomen]

24. you're obviously a 'real man.' nt

[smoogatz]

25. Hell, I'd eat you if I was hungry enough.

Anything tastes good with enough chili sauce.

[ginnyinWI]

26. I stopped eating pork eight years ago.

My number one reason was because pigs are as intelligent as dogs. They must really suffer.

Then I stopped eating beef about six years ago. Partly because it's unhealthy, partly because of mad cow disease (and I don't trust the govt. to protect me from it). Okay--I do eat it about once a year--but when I do it isn't as good tasting as I remembered.

I still eat chicken and fish--but who knows--I'm trending more and more vegetarian. Many of our meals are vegetarian these days. I've also switched to cage-free eggs and use more soy milk than cow's milk in my diet.

[mitchum]

30. I really loved the taste of pork...

but I quit eating pork for the same reason you did.
I have no qualms with chicken and beef, but I avoid their flesh if it's that hormone-laden factory farmed garbage.

[Frisbee]

38. pigs are as intelligent as dogs...

Well, based on our (now deceased) black lab, pigs are probably smarter. But she was still a great pet!

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

47. Sounds like my diet

I don't eat mammals

[smoogatz]

27. Does that holier-than-thou shit win you a lot of converts?

Or do you just enjoy the warm and squishy feel of your own moral superiority against your skin?

[Warpy]

34. Your defensive post is most unattractive.

The truth is that I do own it the few times a year I get a piece of range fed something or other.

The question is if YOU do.

[smoogatz]

36. You don't "own" it unless you do the killing and gutting, son.

Otherwise you're just paying somebody else to do your dirty work, range-fed or not.

[Paladin]

66. I Don't Think You'd Better Be Lecturing Anybody....

...about moral superiority, if you're spewing sentiments like that....

[smoogatz]

67. My grandparents farmed.

It's one thing to announce your moral purity because you feel some small remorse about enjoying your occasional yuppie-burger. It's another thing entirely to return an animal's living gaze one day and dine on its roasted haunch the next. For my money, the latter gets you a hell of a lot closer to "owning" the suffering and death of an animal. I won't even bring up hunting, since the subject apparently gives you the squirms.

[flvegan]

68. Something else

to avoid it altogether.

[smoogatz]

73. Indeed.

I happen to be of the "salad is what food eats" persuasion, but I try not to judge those who think differently.

[flvegan]

74. I'm not judging.

Just offering suggestion.

Your persuasion is a decent, albeit selfish and antiquated one. But, to each his or her own.

[smoogatz]

82. Nope. No judging there.

Oy.

[flvegan]

84. No, there isn't.

I didn't judge a person. I reflected on a specific action/habit in a factual manner.

Please, pay attention.

[smoogatz]

89. Lordy. No, you didn't judge a person.

You judged several billion of them. If we're going to be factual, meat eating would have to fall somewhere below driving a car, using electricity and buying any product made in China on the selfishness scale. And it's not a habit; we're designed to be omnivores, I'm pretty sure. Meat isn't just healthful and delicious: it provides necessary amino acids that produce a heightened sense of equanimity and an appreciation of irony.

[flvegan]

90. No, I spoke to a very high number of acts committed today.

Regardless of allegations of design, eating meat is unnecessary and an abuse of both animals and planet. Therefore, like driving an H2, it's a baseless pleasure and selfish.

As for your amino acids comment, meat isn't the only thing that provides that, hence, my previous comment. And "healthful"...don't know much about actual nutrition, do you?

Again...pay attention.

[smoogatz]

92. I'm trying to pay attention, but whenever vegans start to proselytize

I doze off. Sorry. It's not you.

[flvegan]

95. Ah, a strawman.

How...unique.

I find it doze-worthy when folks use the word "proselytize" in a discussion in which they have no decent side. Usually means they just lost an argument.

Whatever.

Have a nice evening.

[uppityperson]

113. Being responsible for the meat you eat is bad?

Saying if you eat meat you should be responsible for killing the animal rather than having someone else is a bad sentiment? Passing the morality of killing an animal on to someone else is good?

[MuseRider]

5. I sent a note to the admins

because this kind of stuff gives me nightmares, seriously. I hate hate hate that Humane Society ad that Sarah McLachlan does, I can't watch or even listen.

I hate this stuff.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Those ads make me weep uncontrollably. Even thinking about them as

I just typed that made my faucets open up.

[MuseRider]

12. Me too

I just can't do it, I can't look and I don't even want to hear what they are saying. When we go to the Humane Society to pick out a new critter I always stay in the visiting room and my boys bring me dogs to look at. I can't possibly adopt anything else or I would end up bringing them all home (selfish I know but I can't deal with it otherwise). I have this group set up here and I can't go into it either unless I feel tough enough to block all the animal threads :cry:.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. I'm like that when I go to my Petsmart. I avoid the section where they have resident adoptive

animals and on the weekends as that's adoption day for the local rescue shelters.

I have 3 kitties now. 2 adopted rescue kitties, and my 3rd showed up on our doorstep crying to come in at 5AM almost 6 months ago, when oddly, my younger son and I were both awake. I guess he's a rescue too as I tried very hard to find his people to no avail, and he is now a beloved member of our family. Every now and then when I think about his past I get very sad as I cannot believe that anyone wouldn't try to find this wonderful cat. He's about 5 years old, was altered, got along immediately with our youngest kitty and his manners are impeccable. All I can think is that whomever he was with, couldn't keep him and deserted him.

Right now I really don't have the ability to have any more, but I could just picture myself, 20 years from now, being one of those "crazy old ladies" who has 50 cats! I love dogs (and most animals) too but after my last baby of 15 years died, I decided I couldn't get another one.

Meanwhile, you deserve a :hug:

[MuseRider]

104. Ahhhh

a big :hug: to you too!

Out here on the farm we get lots of extra critters. Dogs show up, I stick out some food just in case they are hungry and figure if they have a home they will go back to it. Cats? God, the lady across the road does not believe in neutering, inoculations and she does not feed her cats. It is constant out here and I just can't stand letting them freeze or starve or die of disease.

Honestly, it makes me feel good to take care of them. They make me smile most of the time and somehow it just feels like that is what I am here for, taking care of things. I am such a pushover and it sounds like you are as well.

Your comment about being one of those "crazy old ladies" hit home. I finally decided that is what I aspire to be, it is inevitable so why not just make it so?

Sorry about your baby, that hurts so much and is the downside to keeping so many critters. Someone is always on the late side of life.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

106. Thanks for the huggie!

You are wonderful! I now know that I won't be the last of the crazy cat ladies!!! Or, if and when my fortunes reverse, the eccentric cat lady!!!

I live in a townhouse condo complex, am limited by space, and there really aren't too many strays around here. I have on occasion found dogs and luckily their people too, and once another cat, which turned into tragedy. My younger son and I managed to trap it, and it had a broken tail. It was in mangy condition and I couldn't risk my own cat, so decided to bring it over to the organization that I got my oldest cat from. They brought it to the vet. The vet put it down. I still get upset when I think of that. If I knew that was going to happen, I would have scraped up every cent I had to heal it and take it in. I feel that I was the instrument of its death. Sorry...can't go on....

[MuseRider]

116. All we need are a pair

of stiff Brogans, some cargo shorts and binoculars to bird with and cat litter coming in by the truck load. Oh yes, I almost forgot. When kids come over we will offer them apples rather than cookies. Does that cover it?

It was not your fault. NOT your fault. Those are the kinds of memories that haunt though, I totally understand. Still, sometimes things are just out of our hands and you have to know that he felt compassion and love for a brief time before he died and that is about all any of us can really ask for. Another for your sad memory :hug:

[and-justice-for-all]

77. Me Too. nt

[hlthe2b]

6. I am in a very deep funk right now and that is just adding to it...

I too have worked throughout most of my adult life on animal welfare issues. If I thought it was helpful in waking people up, I would just bear it, but paradoxically it just makes me feel paralyzed, hopeless, and depressed.

[smoogatz]

7. Me.

k&r

[petersjo02]

10. Count me in.

While I know such abuse take places every minute of every day, I cannot bear having to watch it. My imagination is difficult enough to deal with, let alone having to watch it online. Enough.

[michaz]

11. I own a rescue dog and a rescue horse, and at this rate I am going to own

a rescue pig! Please remove it.

[jgraz]

17. My friends have adopted two rescue pigs.

They're not my cup-o-tea, but my friends love them. I'm happy to see them getting a good home.

[lonestarnot]

94. I once had a rescue pig, supposed to be a pot belly, well Hambone

turned into a whale, so I gave him a good home with more room. Squeeled like a hellion when he was picked up, but was a very smart animal.

[varelse]

13. I'd been successfully blocking that one

(mentally, I mean) but now that you mention it... there's a reason I'm a vegetarian - and that is a horrifying image. It's true that many people don't know what is happening to their meat before it reaches their supermarkets, but still, the "in your face" advertising seems more likely to make them feel threatened and turn away rather than motivating them to learn more. It may well be backfiring.

[Liberal_in_LA]

18. I hate those pics.

[Imagine My Surprise]

19. ME! n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Proud 2 B number 5

Yes this is repulsive.

[Joe Chi Minh]

22. Me.

[VotesForWomen]

23. i think it's good for people to actually see it. nt

[apocalypsehow]

29. I noticed that, too. "Meet your Meat" or whatever it is. I wish they'd just provide a link for folks

who want to have their appetites ruined.

[SteveM]

32. Reduce abuse: Hunt. The animals stand a better than even chance...

of living and the meat is not tainted with chemicals and additives. (In a fair-chase hunt, pigs are even more difficult to kill than deer, owing to their much wider range and less-predictable habits.) Further, the amount of nutrition received from a deer can only be matched by a very large quantity of vegetation planted in farms which damage eco-systems and require large quantities of fuel to process and transport to the market; deer browse on vegetation which is usually renewable, unless the population is too large for the land to sustain (yet another reason to hunt).

Pictures like these don't really "guilt-trip" folks to change their ways. When one hunts, you get to confront questions of your role in death. Any guilt arising from that needs no picture.

[drmeow]

39. I was going to post something like

this - "Pictures like these don't really "guilt-trip" folks to change their ways." It just causes me to avert my eyes and refuse to think about it.

As for hunting - some of us don't have the skills, equipment, knowledge or time (in order for me to hunt I would first have to drive at least 1 - 2 hours to get to someplace where there would actually be game to hunt and I'd be allowed to hunt it) to do so nor the means to store the meat.

[SteveM]

105. Understood. Access & expense increasingly keep hunter numbers down...

Less land to hunt and expense (leases, day fees, etc.) have cut into hunter numbers and, hence, one of the chief means of keeping ecological balance. I put in for "draws" to public lands, camp out in my van and take my own food, but it still can be expensive. I am fortunate to have two friends who let me deer hunt each season. I followed by Dad's advice on finding private lands to hunt: bring up the subject of hunting in every group of people you are with. Some will think it's obnoxious, some will consider the subject archaic, but a few will also hunt and may have land. Always offer to help with upkeep of the property and you're in!

You're 1-2 hour drive is average here in Texas; both deer properties I hunt are 2-5 hours away through splendid Hill Country (even in the winter Uvalde, Real and Edwards Counties look like Transylvania in the wondrous gloom).

I got a standard-size freezer for free (fan was out), fixed it, and store at least two butchered deer in it plus fish. I do 75% of my own butchering. Get ye to a used book store and pick up some cheap texts on hunting. A good pawn shop rifle (with scope) might go for $350; a slug shotgun (if the law requires it) for less.

In the end, you learn very sensibly and emotionally the cycle of life for rather small change.

[Paladin]

107. You Missed The Main Reason That Hunting Is Dying Out

And that's the attitude of much of modern society that hunting is no longer necessary or attractive. Face it: A couple of generations ago, hunting was represented by the likes of Ernest Hemingway and Clark Gable; now it's Ted Nugent and Dick Cheney. Game departments all over the country are bemoaning the loss of licence revenue because young people aren't interested in gunning down wild game; they've found other things to do.

I myself put away my hunting gear years ago; it wasn't so much the killing that bothered me, it was the increasingly high percentage of assholes I was sharing the sport with. And I've hunted all three of those Texas counties you mentioned; next time you're in Uvalde having barbecue for lunch, try that "Transylvania in the wonderous gloom" line on one of the natives and let me know what their response is....:)

[SteveM]

108. I see your point, but surveys reveal access & expense as the main reasons...

You're right that the "representatives" of hunting are distasteful to the general public, but this is largely the result of an anti-hunting MSM (unless it's a "Guns of Autumn" approach, CBS et al won't run it). Hunting has become increasingly safe for those involved and the behavior of hunters increasingly considerate. (I've seen this trend since I continue to hunt.)

The number of people -- young especially -- who do not hunt is matched by those who do not hike, camp, fish, bird watch, or even get a day-use pass at a state park; all outdoor activities are on a down-bound train in favor of "...other things to do." Like what you and I are doing right now. I'm not as concerned about the "stagnant" number of hunters as I should be; I mean, where would we put any increased numbers given the shrinking access to public lands?

Actually, I used the "Transylvania" metaphor on my Uvalde host, whose family has roots in goat-ranching, and he liked it. But he lives nearer to Camp Wood.

[Paladin]

114. Blame The Media If It Makes You Feel Better

As far as I'm concerned, the hunting culture is largely responsible for reducing hunting to the status of a trash sport.

Try fly fishing for trout sometime, the Guadalupe is supposed to be developing into a pretty respectable fishery. I guarantee you that you'll be hanging out with a better class of people....

[SteveM]

115. The media has a role in this, but I stated the main reasons upstream...

If hunters have denigrated the sport so much, can we conclude that other outdoor folks have done the same for their activities?
I cannot agree with your assessment of hunting as a "trash sport." Perhaps you have been away too long.

The Guadalupe below Canyon does have, it seems, a "permanent" population of trout, and I have fished there. I'm not sure what you mean by "better class of people." My fishing is usually of the drop-line and cast 'n' retrieve methods and some surf. I meet all kinds of people, especially in the "floating crappie houses." Some have very little money and are trying to paste together a more diverse lifestyle which is not so dependent on urban culture and wealth.

I wish you could have been with "us" on the public hunt at Fort Boggy State Park (which is over-populated by deer to such an extent that the Park's flora and fauna are threatened). Everyone was courteous and helpful. I have also seen this behavior on opening day of dove season where public fields are often over-crowded, and even in Sam Houston National Forest where campers lined a graded road for over a mile: by 11 p.m., virtually everyone was asleep or quiet, and by dawn, most had quietly broken camp and headed for their haunts. A real rainbow mix of folks.

[shireen]

83. hunting for food is a direct link to nature and sustenance

I've always thought that hunting for food is the most authentic way to include meat in the diet. Hunters generally have a deep respect for nature and the animals that they hunt. A good hunter takes every precaution possible to minimize trauma to the animal. Unfortunately, I'm too squeamish about it so I go "hunting" at Whole Foods, where they only supply meat from providers who treat their animals humanely.

Of course, not all hunters respect nature. Like that guy who shot his buddy in the face, then had the buddy apologize for being shot. I think that's the same guy that goes on hunting parties where captive wild fowl are released from cages so they can be shot down by those jackasses.

[Iggo]

37. The ad makes me squeamish, too...

...but I think that's the point.

I never saw what went on in slaughterhouses until I saw what went on in slaughterhouses. If somebody clicks on that and comes away with a better understanding of that, well then that's what it's there for, right?

[bean fidhleir]

40. (raises hand)

[margotb822]

42. I've never eaten veal because of a picture

When I was four and learning to read, I picked up a magazine and flipped through. There was an ad or article (I'm not sure which) deploring non-range fed veal. But, being so young, I could only really understand the picture, which was of a calf penned up in a cage so small he couldn't move and IVs all over. I was horrified, and I still can't get that image out of my head.

[Lorien]

52. Pictures obviously have a far more profound impact than words

otherwise this thread wouldn't exist, and neither would the outrage over torture by BushCo. It's sometimes necessary to face up to reality in all it's hideousness.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

44. Yes, thank you for saying what I was thinking

Maybe not everyone is aware of this cruelty, but I think most progressives are.

[seabeyond]

45. i didnt notice, but an hour ago. and now i am working hard keeping eyes in other place

again, .... hate to say no to something. i believe we should have some kind of decency line, we dont seem to.

will be ready when it goes away

[seabeyond]

49. jgraz, i saw you signature. .... that is cute. n/t

[DeepModem Mom]

58. I know there are good arguments for showing such pics, but it's disturbing to me...

personally.

[jgraz]

65. I don't think there are

The end result is to hurt the people that are on your side and to inflame and solidify opposing views. It just seems counterproductive.

[postulater]

59. I thought it was a dog lying on a porch until you mentioned it.

Guess my vision is not so good anymore.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

61. Now I wish I didn't look.

[KT2000]

69. Yes - it is upsetting

Have had to take my name off some animal welfare groups too because their mailings were upsetting like this.
As a fund-raising tactic, it is really counter-productive.

[Kajsa]

70. I am and Thank You, Jgraz!

I too, am involved with helping animal rights and animal protection
groups.

That picture is very disturbing.
I "got the picture" a long time ago,
over 50 years to be exact.

Thank you for all you do for the animals.

:pals:

( See- I got your name right- not jpgraz)
;)

[stlsaxman]

71. Indeed. Take it off. n/t

[JMDEM]

75. I watched the movie and it thoroghly disturbed me

I don't eat hardly any meat, but I was unaware of the damage that dairy and egg farming causes.

I'm going to be looking for a way to buy eggs and milk that hasn't caused suffering to animals.

[aikoaiko]

78. I didn't notice,

:shrug:

[AZBlue]

85. While it's uncomfortable to see, I'm glad it's there to educate others.

You obviously know about the situation, but many here on DU don't.

[Phoonzang]

86. I think the Arab Lounge pic from

the first page should replace the pig. Mmmmm.... :smoke:

[sammythecat]

87. I understand what you're saying

I could tell from the headline what was there, but I have yet to look at it. I got the message some time ago and it might very well have been through some graphic images that I began to wake up. Maybe this one will serve the same purpose for someone else.

As much as I don't like to see them, I do think they do some good. I think maybe the glee that some people had during the run up to the invasion of Iraq might have been tempered somewhat if afterward we were shown before and after photos of the dead and wounded. Some people just have to be hit in the face with stuff like this before it has an impact. I think you and I, and most here, don't need it, but some do.

[flvegan]

91. People DON'T know about that kind of abuse.

Think back a couple weeks, to the Hallmark downer cow problem. OOOOOHHHH, such an abomination.

Fucking not.

While YOU many not like being "exposed" to "shit like that" many of the steerage we call citizens of the US have no clue as to what happens in the average slaughterhouse, nor on the average feedlot.

Too many folks just plain don't give a shit. It tastes good, and it's convenient, so fuck the animals, fuck the human workers and fuck the planet.

While you do deserve accolades for your work with CA Humane (I'm assuming that's what you refer to in your OP) I'm sorry you had to see that ad.

Reality sucks sometimes.

If people honestly knew the abuse that goes on in these slaughterhouses like you state, yet they still dine at that particular trough of cruelty...well, just straight up fuck them. Selfish, uncaring fucking morons.

I don't think that's the case.

[LeftyMom]

97. I'm sick of animals being abused.

People aren't going to stop what they never see.

[nam78_two]

110. Exactly-I disagree with the OP that many people are that aware of it

Everytime one of the abuse stories comes out a lot of people I know are surprised. I know that that is almost certainly what goes into the production of most of the factory-farmed meat people come across :shrug:.
I think this sort of stuff spreads awareness and is therefore important.

[Swamp Rat]

102. If it had been taken down after you posted this, I would not have seen it.

It is thoroughly disgusting, but more people need to see it, IMHO.

:puke:

[nam78_two]

109. I agree with this post.nt

[jgraz]

103. OK, now the new pic of the tenderloin is just making me hungry.

[nam78_two]

111. I respectfully but strongly disagree with this OP

Though thank you jgraz for all the work you do for the humane farming movement :pals:. But I do disagree with your premise that people are aware and either care or don't. I think a lot of genuinely progressive people even are unaware of the scope/scale of the cruelty in factory farms. I know some ad campaigns out there that do go too far and turn off people, but some of this needs to be seen by people imho. I think there are many people out there, who are just unaware of the brutal realities of factory farming.

[jgraz]

118. I think people need to see it, too. But they shouldn't be ambushed.

Put up a link, make it lurid to draw people in, but give people a choice before assaulting them with that imagery. Otherwise, you just end up turning people against your cause.

[high density]

117. Is that what it is?

I've tried to not look at it...

[jgraz]

119. Now it's just two hands cutting up a beef tenderloin

And damn it if it ain't making me hungry.