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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:43 AM
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Only criminal indictments can save this country
Only criminal indictments can save this country
by clammyc
Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

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If the illegal behavior is not confronted in a meaningful way, then that only shows approval and complicity. There is no "moral standing" when the President of the United States admits that he approved of torture - especially when he is not held accountable. There is no "moral standing" when private contractors murder innocent Iraqis and threaten our own Armed Forces - especially when it is known throughout the world and nothing is done to hold anyone accountable. There is no "moral standing" when hundreds of thousands of innocent people are displaced, left with broken lives and are murdered based on lies. There is no "moral standing" when bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban are allowed to reconstitute, strengthen and attack our troops and allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan - especially when we talk about fighting terrorism while we ignore it.

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"They" did all of this. Willfully. Purposely. For their own personal gain, or own sick twisted jollies. "They" did it all in our names. "They" even did it in not one (Reagan), not two (HW Bush) not three (Ford) but in four prior administrations (Nixon). "Their" actions over the past 40 years, and especially the past 8, are a reflection on this country’s standing in the world. The fact that we are in such economic peril makes it even worse.


And everybody disapproves of it. What is the approval rating, 20%? This country finds their actions despicable. The entire world finds their actions despicable. The entire world knows they committed crimes - war crimes, lying to the world community, illegal use of chemical weapons, murdering innocent people. Most of this country knows that torture is illegal. Most of this country knows that illegal spying is, well, illegal. Most of this country knows that obstructing justice, destroying evidence and stealing elections is illegal. And most of this country (I still hope) thinks that this type of behavior should not be ignored.


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The world knows that top level "leaders" of this country broke numerous laws - some very heinous laws, and committed atrocities on many levels. And that they admitted to not only doing so, but making a premeditated decision to do so. We will never be taken seriously and will be at a substantial disadvantage if we don’t repair our image and hold criminals accountable.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/12/122959/271/951/494330
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:22 AM
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1. I've been saying that since the torture
became public. Orders such as those only come from the top down. Now there's proof, I can't figure out what the holdup is. It was a conspiracy to commit war crimes. The war crimes laws are applicable, the RICO statute is applicable. If a killer had committed torture during his crimes, he'd pay for it dearly. Come on Congress!! DO YOUR DUTY!!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:27 AM
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2. K&R
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:32 AM
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3. I keep hoping the French or someone will indict
them all for war crimes. Event he MSM would have to cover that story. I don't think it will ever happen here, no matter who is the next President.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:13 PM
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13. Rumsfeld actually DID have to flee from France to avoid arrest
this was a couple of months ago. After being tipped off about the impending arrest, Rummy abruptly
left a meeting he was in and fled to Germany.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:34 AM
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4. This criminal behavior by the Administration
opens the US up to more attacks by people who justify their actions in the name of Justice.

Every day, we create more enemies and more business for the Military-Industrial Complex.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:39 AM
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5. It won't come from within
The accountability will have to begin from another country.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:48 AM
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6. Turn them over to an international War Crimes Tribunal.
Let the world decide.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:00 AM
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7. Yeah and no amount of Church going is going to change that.
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:14 AM
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8. SUMMER OF 2008: INDICTMENTS AND IMPEACHMENT
Dear All,

If I were the democratic party, in order to ensure a WIN for Nov 2008, I would start the indictments and impeachment THIS SUMMER. IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING.

I personally am looking forward to this summer.


IMPEACH THESE CRIMINALS!!!!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:33 AM
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9. It's a pathocracy
we have let psychopaths control our country.Voted in on appearance and lies(promises) that never happen.
Time to rid this government of the psychopaths then the corporation and church.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:33 AM
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10. Can we please begin impeachment before booosh starts WW3?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:50 AM
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11. There Will Be NO Indictments Without Impeachment
Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration for the regime.

It's just that simple.

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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:00 PM
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12. successful criminal indictments, none of the pretend variety
K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:04 AM
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14. Still 9 or 10 months where these people can still do a lot of damage . ..
Impeachment is the only response ---

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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:45 AM
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15. This is the story. This is an emergency.
And we just wasted the last whole weekend infighting over what Obama said and how Clinton reacted. Thanks for redirecting attention to the real issue that needs to be solved. The rest of the world is waiting for us to act, especially those within the war zone. K&R! :kick:
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:48 AM
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16. they should all be made examples of
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 07:48 AM by iamthebandfanman
thats how we regain our credit and standing in the world. not acting like someone stole the election and broke countless laws while in office never happened.
if we can pretend it didnt happen, then what else can we ignore for the sake of pride?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:28 AM
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17. Impeachment must be carried out.
What the Hell can we do if Congress won't act?

Congress may as well stop beating around the shrub and admit:

"Yes, we condone the heinous and barbaric acts of this administration. And yes, we are allowing them to get away with murder and the destruction of your sacred Constitution so that more outrageous profits can be made by the corporations that we work for."

That's the way I see it.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:04 PM
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21. maybe those chicken lizards in the Congress are waiting for
the people to stage an uprising.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:38 PM
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18. Damn right
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:42 PM
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19. perhaps another nation will call for war crimes tribunal....it ain't gonna happen here
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:43 PM
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20. just a crazy idea, those rebate checks that are in the mail
why don't we pool all our money together and hire a special prosector, WE THE PEOPLE vs the Government.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:11 PM
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22. I don't believe "moral standing" is a priority of our 'leaders'.
They prefer "Amoral" which allows them to abuse power.

I seriously doubt there will ever be charges lodged against those criminals because the objective of all is acquiring power rather than enforcing laws intended to protect the people.

Doesn't make it right,...it's just the way it is,...and I don't see anyone with the power to make a difference seriously pursuing justice.

;(
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:27 PM
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23. Sibel Edmonds
is proof that no criminal indictments will ever occur.

She has stated that members of both parties in all branches of government are participating in ongoing treason involving drug trafficking, money laundering, and financing terrorism and fake terrorism. Henry Waxman has locked Sibel out. The major media refuses to touch Sibel's offer to "tell all" for a guarantee of unedtied broadcast.

Both parties are participants in treason. "Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, none dare call it treason" said Sir Jon Harington.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:06 PM
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24. I'm with you KPete
Just wish it would happens soon.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:24 PM
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25. I wish our two white house wannabes would say this
The climate has never been this favorable for our side since 1929.

But our candidates, bless their little hearts, are more involved in cutting each other to ribbons than in saying something brave and actually STANDING for something.
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