"Did God create woman from one of man's ribs"?

[panader0]

Didn't Eve eat that apple after she was tempted by that big snake? This Compassion thing is BS!

[lost-in-nj]

1. NO Adam was a weak

man



he knew what he was doing when he created woman


because he created "man"

realized he made a mistake

so ladies that is why

we are here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

strong!!!!


lost

[oldleftguy]

10. Short Ribs -- Yum!

[tekisui]

2. WHy did the Dems even agree to this shit?

[Skittles]

3. because they are pandering for the sanctimonious, brain-washed vote

:puke:

[tekisui]

5. A "faith in politics" forum should be real quick.

Only long enough to say, their is no faith in politics.

[Tesha]

29. Ta-da -- nailed it in one sentence! (NT)

[hatrack]

34. Because these days, you just can't thump the Jeezus-Tub hard too hard or too often . . .

Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, unless you're washed in the Whitewash of the Lord and do your darndest to pander to the Tim LaHaye-reading raptard, you haven't an electoral prayer.

:eyes:

[Lars39]

35. Your "Jeezus-Tub" reminded me of this:

Enjoy! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg

[uppityperson]

4. Religion and politcs. Bah

[Dogtown]

33. Religion. Bah.

Superstitious louts and cynical charletons have plagued us and held us back for our entire existance as a species.

When will we "grow up"?

[pink-o]

44. Oh, yeah. Agree totally!

I'm sick of all the superstition and silliness in the 21st century! No way should crazy whackos be allowed to dictate the terms to the rest of us--and yet, every time someone screams fire and brimstone, the power base either panders, or cowers in a corner.

Atheist is the new black. Seriously, you can even be gay and get more acceptance than if you tell people you don't believe in their mythology.

[L. Coyote]

49. Not really. When did religion start? What function allowed the evolution of religion

in a Darwinian context? My best guess is enslavement.
Brain-washing slaves keeps down the costs of subjugation.

After we can just get rid of that function, the brain-washing can stop.

[uppityperson]

56. Fundamentalist religions. bah

I understand people's need to try and figure out why they are here, why we can think, look at what is morally right, but fundamentalist religions get a big bah from me as they are the problem. Fundamentalism, not just religion.

[Fox Mulder]

6. That question was asked too???

:grr:

[ismnotwasm]

7. Do rabbit's have little cloven feet?

Better pull those "sanitary napkin" commercials as well, what with women being unclean and all.

[Warpy]

8. Look at the conduct of all the male players

Eve was never directly told not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, she had to get it second hand from Adam.

God lied. He said they'd die if they ate the fruit but they lived and apparently saw through god, who'd been keeping them ignorant and using them like pets or zoo animals in an artificial habitat.

The serpent told Eve the truth, that the fruit would give her knowledge and she'd live through the experience. It did and she did.

God didn't get pissed off until Adam ate the fruit, and then it was all over. God threw a hissy fit and Adam blamed Eve for his choice to eat the fruit. Honestly, he was a weak man who had to wait until a woman took the initial risk before he'd bother testing the waters. No wonder Lilith had taken one look at him and left Eden rather than be tied to such a wimp.

As for Eve being made from one of Adam's ribs, it must've grown back because men aren't missing any of them.

Personally, given the choice between ignorance and knowledge, I'll always choose the latter. Given the choice between comfortable captivity and risky freedom, I'll always choose the latter. No matter how comfortable a cage is, it's still a cage.

I find a great deal of sympathy for both Lilith and Eve and a certain respect for the serpent who told them the truth. The other males in the story weren't heroes, not at all.

[panader0]

9. Great post!

[frogcycle]

13. by the way

Why did he need a rib to make Eve? He made Adam from mud or something.

I'm thinking maybe those old rabbis that wrote that story were ribbing us.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

17. Huh?

"He said they'd die if they ate the fruit" - Are they still alive?

"As for Eve being made from one of Adam's ribs, it must've grown back because men aren't missing any of them." - My father had his appendix taken out, odly enough I was born with one..

--

Neither Adam nor Eve were 'heroes' of that story on that we can agree.

[Dogtown]

36. Shirley you jest...

So, was the phallic anthropomorphic animal the hero?

Or the imaginary "patriarch"?

[lunatica]

11. Yes. Man was the prototype

And like a good engineer God eliminated all the glitches and rolled out WoMan, or Man 2.0. Isn't it obvious?

[krabigirl]

12. You're kidding! They asked that? WTF?

[spin]

14. The Bible has 2 versions of how God created women...

Genesis 1:27
(God makes both man and woman at the same time)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:21-22
(The famous rib story)

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Most Christians really aren't familiar with the Bible.

[Kat45]

15. I'm always telling people there are 2 versions in the Bible, and

they have no idea. I do find it quite interesting that it is the rib version that is the one that has consistently been told, that has been taught to us as children. Gee, I wonder how that happened? Could it be because men were the ones in leadership positions in churches?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

18. This is not a contradiction

Most theologians recognise 1:27 as an 'abstract' of the process..

[Hissyspit]

19. It's all abstract. 'Adam and Eve' are a primordial creation mythology

from people who could never have had the opportunity to grasp evolution.

Chicken or Egg.

[Romulox]

21. Actually, the garden of eden and the knowledge of good and evil

both strike me as fairly astute metaphors for evolution. Evolving hominids left the primordial forest around the same time they became self-aware (that is, aware of their own individuality and mortality.)

Really, it is an incredibly astute metaphor, all religious connotation aside.

[Tesha]

30. Sorry, it's "turtles all the way down".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

[tkmorris]

20. Or maybe it's all a crock

How bout them apples?

[mondo joe]

31. The sequence described in the 2 versions still contradict each other.

Some may rationalize it any way they like.

Beasts before man:

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Man before beasts:

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

[mwb970]

32. What a copout!

My sister used to say that whenever she had backed a religious nut into a corner with unassailable facts and logic, the ultimate defense was always, "That's one of God's mysteries." Gee, with a fallback position like that you will never lose an argument!

This "abstract" business is a ploy to avoid acknowledging an obvious contradiction in the Holy Infallible Received Word Of God.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

40. Right the way that semitc people wrote accoutns is a cop out..

Not the way English speakers read them right?

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2194

First, careful analysis reveals that there is deliberate purpose in the individuality of these two sections of Scripture. In Genesis 1 there is a broad outline of the events of the creation week, which reaches its climax with the origin of mankind in the very image of God. In Genesis 2 there is the special emphasis upon man, the divine preparation of his home, the formation of a suitable mate, etc. Edward J. Young has a good statement of this matter:

There are different emphases in the two chapters...but the reason for these is obvious. Chapter 1 continues the narrative of creation until the climax, namely, man made in the image and likeness of God. To prepare the way for the account of the fall, chapter 2 gives certain added details about man’s original condition, which would have been incongruous and out of place in the grand, declarative march of chapter 1 (1960, p. 53).

This type of procedure was not unknown in the literary methodology of antiquity. Gleason Archer observed that the “technique of recapitulation was widely practiced in ancient Semitic literature. The author would first introduce his account with a short statement summarizing the whole transaction, and then he would follow it up with a more detailed and circumstantial account when dealing with matters of special importance” (1964, p. 118). These respective sections have a different literary motif. Genesis 1 is chronological, revealing the sequential events of the creation week, whereas Genesis 2 is topical, with special concern for man and his environment.

Second, there is clear evidence that Genesis 2 was never an independent creation account. There are simply too many crucial elements missing for that to have been the case. For instance, there is no mention in Genesis 2 of the creation of the Earth, and there is no reference to the oceans or fish. There is no allusion to the Sun, Moon, and stars, etc. Archer has pointed out that there is not an origins record in the entire literature collection of the ancient Near East that omits discussing the creation of the Sun, Moon, seas, etc. (1982, p. 69). Obviously, Genesis 2 is a sequel to chapter 1. The latter presupposes the former and is built upon it.

--

Your sister need to look into Christian apologetics to support her faith, God does not want us to close our eyes to hard questions and while he is indeed a God of mysteries that does not mean we should not ask.

Semetic writes *often* would outline the entire event and then give specifics about details within.

[spin]

38. Also, there are two Noah stories....

and different accounts of how many animals to put on the ark...

Genesis 6:

19) And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee, they shall be male and female{/B]




Genesis 7:

2)Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of the beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3) Of fouls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive on the face of the earth.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. It's a literal contradiction.

Most scientists recognize it as all a bunch of nonsense.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

43. It most certainly not a literal contradiction

It was a *very* common way that people in the world wrote at that time. Hell some people still write like that today. Step out of the shoes of a 20th century English speaker for a moment wont you..

[jayfish]

48. You’re Right; It's Not A Literal Contradiction.

They just decided to leave Lilith out.

Jay

[defendandprotect]

23. Right . . . you have to know the story of LILITH - Adam's first wife . . .

in order to understand this . . .

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Lilith was an uppity woman according to Adam ---
especially because she knew she had been created "EQUALLY" ---
And, if you want to know where vile propaganda begins its with the Bible --

They demonized Lilith --- you have to research very deeply to find that she became a friend to Eve
and tried to help Eve in her complaints about Adam ---

Of course, this is simply theater --- one of dozens of storis told to try to guide people --
Unfortunately, this one was WRITTEN down for the 3% of the population which could read --- i.e.,
religous scholars.

The Bible was written to try to cement the patriarchy ---
The patriarchy is one of the most suicidal ideas men have ever had --- as we can see right now!!

[Echo In Light]

27. "The patriarchy is one of the most suicidal ideas men have ever had --- as we can see right now!"

Agreed on that. In the choke hold death's grip.

[spin]

41. Hebrew legend says Lilith didn't like the missonary position...

According to Jewish legend she didn't like the "man on top" sex that he insisted on, so she took a hike.

After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

[defendandprotect]

52. Never heard that one . . .

So Adam had no imagination, eh?

The Bibical farce continues on and on ---

[spin]

54. Most Christian fundamentalists will call the story a myth...

However, many people, including some regular Christians will call the Adam and Eve story a myth.

Myths are the smoke of history.

[Warpy]

46. Right, and I'm amazed by how many people ignore the first verse

because we're left with some pretty icky incest after Adam and Eve left Eden unless the rest of us were already here.

Of course, that's again leaves us with a god that created a couple of spare humans to keep as experimental animals in a special cage, just to see what they'd do under controlled conditions.

[defendandprotect]

53. You've forgotten the "angels" who seem to be aliens . . . ????

"Guards of the universe" . . . ???

The Vatican has no problem with this concept of "aliens" interbreeding with the people of the earth!

Strange truths in weird places --- !!!

[Warpy]

58. That explains the old men who priss around in dresses

and funny hats, but what about all of us normal folks?

[Richard Steele]

61. Dude, don't even get me STARTED on the subject of the NEPHALIM! nm

[The Straight Story]

16. Hell no, she was made from a fish

and don't get me started on the fish jokes and tartar sauce.

[alphafemale]

22. There are people out there that believe men all STILL have one less rib than a woman,

Honest to...well, you know.

[Elspeth]

24. Wouldn't that make guys a little lopsided?

:)

[Disturbed]

25. People who believe these Bible stories have the minds of

four year old children. Around the age of five most children no longer believe in santa, the tooth fairy
or the easter bunny.

[alphafemale]

26. The stories can be useful if seen as "stories."

But an adult, for example, believing that Noah's Flood created the Grand Canyon is just as ridiculous as a belief in a literal Paul Bunyan.

[Elspeth]

37. Now wait a minute: HANDS OFF THE EASTER BUNNY!

I need my chocolate fix and during the spring, I can always say "The Bunny made me do it." You take away that excuse and I'll be bombarded with Jenny Craig spam.

[BreweryYardRat]

28. You're kidding me. That was an actual debate question?

Christ al-bloody-mighty, haven't these idiots heard of a little thing called "separation of church and state?"

Anything like that crops up in later debates oughta be answered with: "That's a creation myth. It may be a little less exciting than one of the Egyptian creation myths, which involved a deity called Atum who had too much time on his hands...well, hand...but it's the same sort of myth. Myth. As in "A STORY!!!"

[Deep13]

39. No, Eve won Adam over by barbecuing ribs. nt

[DFW]

45. Well, sure he did. I have it on good authority

The Great Pumpkin came to me in a dream and confirmed it.
How much more authoritative can you get than THAT?

[Quantess]

47. I'd be tempted by the "big snake" too if I were Eve.

:rofl:
Does this mean that Eve made the move on Adam? Eve was horny, and Adam just went along with it, huh. So Eve is the one who is punished.

Disclaimer: I'm an agnostic, and I have not spent a lot of time analyzing the Bible, so that is my amateurish first impression.

[SoCalDem]

50. Um.. about that snake..

The snake was in Adam's pants.. & she was too embarrassed to tell the truth

[Quantess]

62. I like your post better than mine.

It's snappy!

[L. Coyote]

51. Subject: Obeying God's Voice = Just got this e-mail, in case there is a believer out there:

Subject: Obeying God's Voice
X-WEBC-Mail-Request-IP: 80.89.179.107
X-WEBC-Mail-From-Script: http://www.elforastero.com/LaTierra/Europa/Portugal/manla.php
From: "Ruth David" <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:48:00 +0200 (CEST)
Content-Length: 846


Dear Beloved,

Greetings!! I am Mrs. Ruth David, a widow of 73years, suffering from cancer of the breast, my
husband and my only son were killed last year during the UK terrorist attack when we visited London
for holidays.

My condition is serious and according to my doctor, it is obvious that I might not survive. I have
some funds that my late husband WILLED to me in cash; the sum of $5,900,000.00 United States of
American Dollars. I packaged it inconsignments and deposited it with a finance house.

After my prayers, I searched a Christian site in the internet, I found your email address and I
decided to contact you for the usage of the funds in your Ministry.

Therefore, if you are honest and faithful enough to use this fund strictly for the work, your
response will be highly appreciated.

Yours sincerely,
Mrs. Ruth David.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

55. God created Eve from Adam's rib and Eve ate the apple and took a shit

in the Garden of Eden. And where her droppings hit the earth, a Bush sprouted. That was the beginning of the Bush family.

[kineneb]

57. hmm, which is more "perfect": xx or xy?

to heck w/mythology....

[pleah]

59. These stories in the Bible are just that

Stories. It is known that the story of the garden of Eden and the Great Flood are based on Mesopotamian stone tablets that are 1,000 years older than the Bible. The garden and flood stories are also in other religions.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

60. The first sex is female.

All fetuses are female, and stay that way, unless the testes of the male fetus produce testosterone at a certain point in fetal development.

[Breeze54]

63. It was sheer magic powers!! ~~ *poof*