The Anti-Chinese Frenzy In The West

[Better Believe It]

CounterPunch
Apri1 14, 2008

A Personal Reflection
On Hypocrisy Over Tibet
By JOHN V. WHITBECK

I have been watching with growing amazement and concern the assaults on the bizarrely quasi-religious Olympic Torch as it has staggered through London, Paris and San Francisco, as well as the self-righteous pronouncements by certain European "leaders" (and even by the European Parliament, the UN Secretary-General and John McCain) that they will not be attending the opening ceremony of the Olympics or are seriously considering not attending or urging others not to attend unless China bows to their "human rights" demands.

I should make clear from the start that I am profoundly sympathetic to Tibet and Tibetans. I have had the privilege of meeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama on two occasions, most recently when we both spoke at the same human rights conference in Sweden, and the white kata which he hung around my neck on the first occasion is proudly displayed in my study. In person, he exudes a quiet, modest charisma and aura of human saintliness that is captivating even to an atheist -- unlike any other person whom I have ever met. I wish that he could return to the Potala Palace and his Norbulingka summer residence and that his people could enjoy the broad cultural and administrative autonomy which he seeks for them. Having said that, the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West, pursued in the guise of pro-Tibetan (and, to a lesser extent, pro-Darfuri) human rights activism, and the Western media's coverage of it reek of hypocrisy.

As best I can tell, the recent violence occurred when some ethnic Tibetans, understandably fed up with the ever-increasing presence and domination of Han Chinese in traditional Tibetan areas, exploded in frustration, burned some Han Chinese shops and killed some Han Chinese civilians. What, in such circumstances, would one expect the Chinese authorities to do? When, by way of example, some African-Americans in Watts and other poor areas of Los Angeles exploded in frustration, burned some white- and Korean-owned stores and attacked some non-blacks, did the American police run away? As I recall, they sought to restore order. So have the Chinese authorities. (As a practical matter, the most brutal images of repressive police action against ethnic Tibetan protestors have not come from China but from other countries, most notably Nepal.)

If the Chinese feel that the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West has its roots in jealousy at China's 12% annual economic growth rate and its increasing success in all aspects of world affairs, seasoned with ample doses of racism and hypocrisy, this would not be an irrational appreciation of the situation.

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitbeck04142008.html

[Zynx]

1. Do you do anything but defend the CCP?

[INDIA]

3. It's creepy. I read China is actually paying bloggers to come on sites like DU...

and push a anti-Tibet pro Chinese agenda. I've seen a couple posters here doing just that, and with poor english skills as further proof.

Weird huh? I'm not usually a conspiracy theory guy, but I think this is for real. DU has it's own Communist propaganda pushers. *shudder* :scared:

There was one guy a couple weeks back comparing Tibetan monks to the Taliban! I mean, come ON.

[Zynx]

5. It wouldn't surprise me. I'm inclined not to believe it for now, but sometimes

I wonder with some of the stuff people post.

[provis99]

26. well, Tibetan monks ARE like the Taliban

They want to reinstall the oppressive dictatorship Tibet had before the Chinese invaded. Why should I be any more sympathetic to those Bizarre religious cultists than I should for the Taliban? Choosing between the Chinese and Buddist monks in Tibet is like choosing between the Soviet Union and Taliban to rule Afghanistan.

[iamthebandfanman]

84. ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahaaaa

wow, that was funny.

comparing monks to the taliban.
great stuff.

you should go on the road.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

14. I don't think so.

The OP reminds me of the pro-China supporters I encountered at the Olympic torch event here in SF -- lots of students bused in with big ol' flags, all swarming a lone Tibet supporter and screaming, "Liar! Liar! Liar!"

[Robb]

17. Guardian article a few years ago on just that

China's secret internet police target critics with web of propaganda :tinfoilhat:

[entanglement]

2. There IS some hypocrisy and racial animus - but there is also genuine sympathy for the Tibetans

[GodlessBiker]

4. We stuck pins in South Africa, and we can stick pins in China.

[Zynx]

6. We weren't exactly morally pure when we did that either. You can take a stand

without being sinless.

[GodlessBiker]

7. Yes. It's for others to decide the value of our protests.

[Better Believe It]

8. More Red-baiting On DU!

The "responders" didn't respond to the points made in the article!

Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress did not request or accept any funding from the CIA. The Dalai Lama and his cult followers did get funded by the CIA.

That's a fact Jack!

Is the CIA funding them now?

I don't know.

And you don't know either!

So before you engage in McCarthyism, red-baiting and Chinese government agent-baiting here, you might want to find out if the Bush government is in any way funding Chinese bashing operations.

You know, the Bush government has been known to do that sort of thing!

[GodlessBiker]

9. You just don't get it. You hammer and sickle types will be dead-ended by history. Remember this?

This is about human rights. Your apparent efforts to prop-up an illegitimate government that routinely tramples human rights just doesn't wash with me.

[Codedonkey]

15. What makes China an illegitimate government?

I mean, not saying I support China's actions, I just don't get what makes you say it's illegitimate... It's no more illegitimate than the US government or any other government...

[Dutch]

18. Er....the fact that no-one ever elected it...

Which might not make it much less legitimate than the current US government, but most democrats would regard governments that were voted into power as more legitimate than those that impose themselves on nations by force and repression, I would think.

[Richard Steele]

34. It's NEVER pretended it wasn't a barefaced dictatorship.

"Modern China" was created by one man: Mao.
Mao's "policies" were a decades-long reign of terror
that stands alone in the history of this planet.

He killed SEVENTY MILLION of China's citizens, in PEACETIME.
Hitler and Stalin were punk-ass second-raters compared to Mao's
body count.

And the CURRENT "government" in China, although PRACTICAL enough to
practice a much kinder & gentler style of Authoritarianism,
still insists that it is building "New China" upon the foundation
that MAO laid down.

There is no "free speech" there, there is no Bill of Rights...there
are no "RIGHTS" at all. Right this moment, there are Chinese dudes
in PRISON for nothing more than having hair as long as mine.

Others are in prison there for SURFING THE WEB. Seriously.
The mere act of READING OPINIONS that differ from the official Party Propaganda
is a CRIME there, and people go to prison for it.

[Kaleko]

21. Yup. This is about the CCP routinely violating human rights - the rights of their OWN people,

the rights of the Tibetans, the rights of the Burmese... Shall I go on? Remember Darfur?

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4j3Y-5REzE

Boycott the Olympics and their corporate sponsors.



P.S. Better Believe It is just one of at least 5 disinformation agents working on DU. I've been watching their antics with some amusement, actually.

[stimbox]

31. The lamaists have their own propagandists too.

Paid or otherwise.

[High Plains]

44. Disinformation agents? I call bullshit. Put up or shut up.

Do you have the least bit of evidence to back up your libels? Let's see it.

[Kaleko]

52. Read their posts! How about that?

instead of insulting people who are alert to the disinformation campaign going on all over the net.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. I wonder what an American tank driver would have done.

I don't think it's so much about whether or not the Chinese government is bad, just the hypocrisy.

[kestrel91316]

12. Look - your friends poisoned American pets and tried to

poison our children. THERE AIN'T GONNA BE NO FORGIVENESS. Give it up.

[stimbox]

29. The NED is funding them now.

The NED is a CIA front group.

[LanternWaste]

33. You're not too keen on the difference...

You're not too keen on the difference between a religion and a cult, I guess.

I'm sure you could find the relevant differences even on the internet if there's no library close by.

But really, give it a shot-- there's are particular differences between the two, and you kind of advertise yourself as less than... intelligent when dismissing that difference.

Just a heads up for you is all...

[Better Believe It]

38. Is Worshiping The "God King of Tibet" Enough Of A Cult For You?

[LanternWaste]

39. Melodrama and hyperbole are never enough for me.

Maybe you have a library close by...?

Melodrama and hyperbole are never enough for me.

[conscious evolution]

49. The Tibetan Buddhists I know worship Guan Yin.

Most buddhist only worship Bodhisattva's and Buddha's.
The Dalai Lama is neither.

[northzax]

57. you should learn a bit more about buddhism

It's not about worshipping anyone, let alone Buddha himself.

[conscious evolution]

59. I am a buddhist

And there are many buddhas.
Buddha is not a person but a level of attainment or enlightenment.
And many of them are worshipped,invoked or paid homage to.

[INDIA]

43. "That's a fact Jack!"!?! LOL!

What's next? "Super Super USA #1, John Wayne, Big Mac."

Your English isn't bad, but your word choice and diction give you away. What part of China are you typing this from? And how many yuan does the government pay you to sit online all day and do this?

Go push your communist propaganda elsewhere. People here (in the west) tend to have a healthy sense of skepticism toward pro government bullshit. Stop selling, because we ain't buying.

[Richard Steele]

10. Are people being paid to post Pro-China propaganda? Better believe it!

nm

[Better Believe It]

11. Are You Getting Just A Wee Bit Paranoid?

Oh .... look out .... the sky is falling ..... communist spies are invading DU .... run .... hide .... protect your children .... the evil empire China and their DU communist agents are attacking us from within! Oh where is Joe McCarthy when we need him?

Will you also be claiming that super secret spies are being paid to post pro-Venezuela, pro-Cuba, pro-Palestine, and pro-Brazil
"propaganda" on DU?

Conspiracy nuts are beginnning to look a bit foolish on DU!

[Richard Steele]

13. Your childish & hyperbolic response suggests I touched a nerve.

nm

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. Please address...

the picture Godless Biker posted upthread.

[Better Believe It]

19. Your Post Is Off Topic And Is Not A Response To The Article

I'm not going to respond to the usual agent and red-baiting personal attacks that have only one purpose in mind .... getting this thread locked. And that's a clear violation of the intention and spirit of DU rules which encourage the expression of progressive views .... we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

If anyone wishes to refute or challenge any of the comments and observation made in the posted article I look forward to such posts.

So far that hasn't happened.

Probably because they are not well informed on Tibet or China.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

22. The problem here is we tend to be....

a bit too well informed on China and Tibet -- hence the inability to pass off bullshit here.

[Better Believe It]

24. Having Trouble Writing?

If you're so "well informed on China and Tibet" why not display your talents by refuting all of the articles regarding western hypocrisy on China. Perhaps you're not the great source of wisdom on Tibet and China that you pretend to be.

You've had lot of chances but far all you've done is engage in personal attacks! And I don't think you've yet demonstrated the ability to write more than a sentence or two at a sitting!

You seem to be totally incapable of responding to any of the articles.

[conscious evolution]

27. Refute these commentaries please

http://ninecommentaries.com/

Fa Lun Da Fa Hua

[Better Believe It]

28. Since You Can't Refute This Article Try Refuting A Different One!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3155358

[conscious evolution]

45. OK

I'll jump straight to the conclusion of the article-

Conclusion

The demonstrators now disparaging China serve only to distract themselves and others from seeing and correcting the current failings of their own governments. If the demonstrators will take a moment to listen, they will hear the silence of their own hypocrisy.

If you will go here http://www.democraticunderground.com/ you will see thousands of people who have not been distracted by Chinas repression of Tibetans.
At this site,and many others like it,people of all stripes come together to stand against our government and governments around the world that repress their people,enable economic injustice,encourage racism and a host of other ills foisted upon humanity.
Daily,people come here to expose the crimes being committed by our government.
Daily,people come here to post stories of how they brought about change.
Daily,people come here to post links to petitions or to encourage others to contact their Representatives in government over one issue or another.

Daily people come here to rage against the machine.And to occasionally throw a wrench into the gears.

Distracted?
NO.
The people who inhabit the nets political boards are not distracted.We are well aware of what is going on in the world and are actively working to make it a better place.

P.S. Thanks for the info on the Chagossian people.One more oppressed group to lend my support to.

P.P.S. Oh wait.We are being distracted.We are having to waste time dealing with a paid propaganda hack and having to refute his bullshit so that others do not fall for it.DOH!!

[stimbox]

42. Falun gong propaganda financed by the NED. n/t

[conscious evolution]

47. Counter propaganda actually.

The Falun Gong movement does not need the assistance of the NED.The Falun Gong movement is a Chinese grassroots movement t5hat the CCP fears and have been actively and brutally suppressing for many years.Its members,there and abroad,have been donating their time and money for years to bring to light what the CCP is inflicting upon Chinas people.

[conscious evolution]

54. Still waiting.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

58. I don't need articles on the web...

I talk to the people around me to find out what is going on in China. Being in San Francisco I live, work, and socialize among the largest population of Chinese outside of China. I talk to Chinese who have fled Hong Kong, left the mainland but still have family back home, and others who go to school here with plans of going home.

I get it unfiltered, from people who are both pro and anti China. No need for any bullshit on the Net.

[Richard Steele]

71. Have trouble with SIMPLE LOGIC much, you fucktarded little spamboy?

Here's the first rule of capitalism:

"If NO ONE IS BUYING YOUR CRAP,
you should stop trying to SELL it".

You've spent a good WEEK now proving that you're
just too stupid to grasp that simple concept.

[Kaleko]

25. Exactly.

These atrocity-enablers keep tossing out strawmen for us to pounce on and refute.

Tough titties! There's a reason progressives are called... er, progressive instead of retarded. :P

[stimbox]

32. Is that the winner of a Darwin award?

Tianamen was another CIA sponsored event.

[Boojatta]

51. How did the CIA sneak the tanks into Tiananmen Square?

[stimbox]

53. All the CIA had to do was agitate it.

Do a poll about it.

[Boojatta]

87. How did the CIA get the tanks to appear in Tiananmen Square?

[LanternWaste]

35. No spies. No invasion, either...

No spies. No invasion, either (lots of melodrama on your part, though-- I imagine it makes for better copy). In fact, no need to protect our children from them.

But sometimes, a propaganda push is a little too obvious to be fiction...

Anyway-- Joe McCarthy's still around, in spirit if not in form. A half dozen dead monks over the weekend illustrates that rather aptly...

[INDIA]

73. "Whoomp! There it is!" "Talk to the hand" "Everybody do the BARTMAN!"

Lol! Tell your commanding officer they need to update their "popular American phrases" manual, it's a little outdated.

"Waynes World, Excellent!"

-India3

[slampoet]

83. you joined DU the days after the conflict escalated.

[Better Believe It]

88. What Are You Suggesting With That Comment?

That I'm some sort of super secret Chinese "communist" spy?

Your 100% wrong. But, don't let any facts get in the way of your speculation.

[slampoet]

89. The word is "You're". You speak english like a second language.

Point one for me.


And point two for me is that you are extrapilating what you think i said you were from a simple comment rather than saying what you actually are.



You are loosing a discussion of your own making. Sad really.

[Quantess]

20. The backlash against China began with all the lead coated toys, poison toothpaste,

poison dog food, unsafe seafood, ...what else? Oh yeah, their human rights abuses. Those are just a few reasons.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

23. Massive environmental degredation...

through unchecked industrialization that is killing its citizens and effects the rest of the world.

[Better Believe It]

30. 3 More Articles You Can't Challenge On Tibet And China!

Here they are:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3138023


What???

Still no takers!

I guess those authors just told the truth and made their points irrefutable!

[LanternWaste]

37. you're cute.

When it's raining and someone tells me it ain't, why bother arguing with them? It's like arguing with a pig-- both get dirty and no one really wins...

But I digress...

June 4th of 1989 is a reality. Unarmed monks getting shot is a reality. Poisoned food imported into America is a reality. Poisoned toys imported in America is a reality.

Refute those, and then maybe people will give you the consideration you think you deserve. Until then, well-- I can post a link illusrt5rating that the moon is indeed, made of green cheese.

[stimbox]

36. EVERY industrialized nation has done/is doing the same. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

56. China and India are on a level...

not currently seen elsewhere.

[stimbox]

60. No, the USA is #1 in pollution!!!

China may surpass us by 2020.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

64. Please note I said "environmental degradation"...

not pollution. And, sorry, but China has the kind of degradation we haven't seen here in the US since we began regulation.

And I am kind of embarrassed to see a San Francisco communist defending China -- Mao's "communism" is really the worst.

[stimbox]

66. We came to our senses here in the U.S. about "environmental degradation"

maybe the Chinese will too. I hear concern for it in the folks that I am in contact with in the PRC.
There still is time for them. They are aware of it.

I guess its like the embarrassment I feel when I see San Francisco Liberals siding with the NED, CIA, and the Bush administration.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

80. Sorry, but Emma Goldman had it right...

Commumism, as practiced in the Soviet Union and now China, is bullshit because it did/does not allow for free dissent. I stand with Emma.

[stimbox]

81. Anarchism?

Bah, infantile leftism.

[Better Believe It]

82. China Is Communist?

How can an allegedly "communist" economic system be based on capitalist production and private ownership as is now the case in Russia and China?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

78. I'm sorry, what were you saying?

I think 2020 just came a little early --



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3268945


Source: BBC News

By Roger Harrabin
BBC Environment analyst

China has already overtaken the US as the world's "biggest polluter", a report to be published next month says.

The research suggests the country's greenhouse gas emissions have been underestimated, and probably passed those of the US in 2006-2007. The University of California team will report their work in the Journal of Environment Economics and Management. They warn that unchecked future growth will dwarf any emissions cuts made by rich nations under the Kyoto Protocol.

...

Dr Auffhammer told BBC News that his projections had made an assumption that the Chinese government's recent aggressive energy efficiency programme would fail, as the previous one had failed badly.

...

"The only solution is for a massive transfer of technology and wealth from the West."

He acknowledged that this eventuality was unlikely.

Those scientists aspiring to stabilise global emissions growth before 2020 to prevent what they believe may be irreversible damage to the climate may be wondering how this can possibly be achieved.


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm

[stimbox]

79. I saw that. How convenient. More anti Chinese news.

What will the U.S. do to help?

Nothing as usual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kyoto_Protocol_signatories

[GodlessBiker]

40. Yes, those events were certainly a turning point. It really made the gov't look like power-hungry

and profit-crazed tyrants.

[mainer]

46. Well, I thought the piece made some valid points

China is considered the Evil Empire by just about everyone, liberal and conservative, it seems. I remember when China forced down a US military plane that was flying near its airspace, and idiot radio hosts across the US were calling for a boycott of all Chinese restaurants in the U.S.

[HuffleClaw]

48. in the face of the rape of iraq, it is most certainly hypocrisy

though not totally unwarranted either.

[Better Believe It]

50. Two Issues Chinese Bashers Try To Ignore

Chinese shops being firebombed and violent physical attacks on Chinese civilians in Tibet are also a reality.

Why and how can they justify their silence regarding such well documented attacks? It was those attacks on ethnic Chinese that led to China sending in troops to restore order. The Tibet "protesters" did not organize peaceful, non-violent protests! You know that! Do some here place less value on the lives and welfare of Chinese in Tibet?

It seems that anyone who doesn't follow the conservative/liberal political line on China is being called a secret China government agent or supporter of the Chinese regime.

Those who claim to have read my posts and the articles I've posted, know the "agent" claim is pure b.s. propaganda which has nothing to do with the truth. But, we can't let facts get in the way of red-baiting talking points! I didn't support the old Maoist and assorted so-called "communist" regimes in China nor do I support the current "free enterprise" regime in China. As I have indicated in other posts, if the people of Tibet desire independence or more autonomy within China that's OK with me. It's their business, and it should be their decision. However, I'm not going to support any foreign interference by that right-wing a-hole French President, George Bush nor any other western government leader who pretends to be so very concerned about repression in Tibet when their hands are full of blood.

I do know, and can prove, that the CIA funded and trained the Dalai Lama and his outfit to the tune of millions of dollars. The CIA doesn't fund real progressive movements and individuals like Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress, President Chavez, etc., So whose hands are you playing into?

So these two issues have been ignored by uncritical supporters of the God King of Tibet and his religious cult.

1. They refused to speak out against the firebombings and attacks on ethnic Chinese by Tibetans.

2. They refuse to consider the possibility that the CIA is once again secretly funding operations in Tibet and possibly here at home
while at the same time they accuse those who don't accept their views with being secret Chinese government agents!

Now who is really being used? Not me!

[Indenturedebtor]

61. Interesting thread here

Personally he doesn't sound like a government plant to me, and frankly resorting to slandering the poster rather than refuting his/her arguements is bad form and weakens your assertions.

China (Murka) should not be in Tibet (Iraq). Period. Anyone who argues that they should - IS a government plant and/or dedicated Maoist (Facist).

The Chinese (Murkan) government is a horrendous human rights abuser. The Chinese (Murkan) industrial complex also lacks uncorrupted oversight. This corruption leads to the lead paint (Asbestos, killer medication, poisoning plastics, downer cows, etc) fiasco. Furthermore their media is held by too few hands. What's more dissenters are labeled enemies of the state and subjected to torture, imprisonment, and death.

This lack of free speech and right to assemble was no where more clear that at the Kent State err I mean Tiananmen Square massacre.

On top of that in international politics even beyond their illegal occupation of Tibet (Iraq), their blatant disregard for human rights abuses in Africa (Africa, The Middle East, China, South America, and more) makes it seem as though money is the only thing that matters to them.

Frankly I don't at all understand why this great nation sullies its good name by even speaking with China!

The OP has a point. But both the Chinese govt and the Murkan govt should be taken to task by the PEOPLE of the World. I'm damn sick and tired of people freaking out about the evil Chinese who have even less power to control what their elite do than we who are an abomination of the modern world.

[Robb]

63. I'm perfectly willing to attack the messenger

...when he's an (oddly) Nader-defending, propaganda-repeating apologist for China who keeps posting the same "CIA is funding the Dalai Lama and I can prove it" crap again and again and again and again. For the life of me I don't understand how you think "discussion" means repeating yourself over and over.

If your pony had a second trick, that would be another matter. But you're only worth the ad hominem, and that just barely.

Where's your God King now?

[Hannah Bell]

67. It's widely known that the US & British govs gave aid to the

Dalai Lama.

It's also widely known that HK, Japanese, European & US capital funded (& still fund) a lot of the Chinese "economic miracle", while changing their own laws to force domestic producers to compete with Chinese ones. You know, the companies that gave us poison dog food & poison toys. You can bet that there's US capital profiting from all that, & it's the US gov that's enabled it.

It's not so widely known why some people jump on chances to China-bash when their own gov has killed 1 million Iraqis in the last 4 years, & spent 1 trillion plus of taxpayer money to do it. Where are the demos & riots over that? Supposedly we're a democracy, with power over our leaders, right? Unlike nasty China, right?

[Hannah Bell]

70. funding

http://www.timbomb.net/buddha/archive/msg00087.html

interview with the dl himself:

Q: In Tibet, from the late 1950's until the early 1970's, one of your
brothers was involved in leading a guerrilla movement against the Chinese.
In fact, the guerrillas were supported by the C.I.A. How did you feel about
that?

A: I'm always against violence. But the Tibetan guerrillas were very
dedicated people. They were willing to sacrifice their own lives for the
Tibetan nation. And they found a way to receive help from the C.I.A. Now,
the C.I.A.'s motivation for helping was entirely political. They did not
help out of genuine sympathy, not out of support for a just cause. That was
not very healthy.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/nytimes.htm

the dl's administration admits it, just says the dl didn't "personally profit"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD61538F931A35753C1A96E958260

Of course the US gave $ to the dl. They're the hegemon: they're up to their ears all over the globe: they give $ to anyone, if it serves their interests. Every world power in history did the same.

[conscious evolution]

65. Could you provide a link to

these stories of attacks.
I keep seeing you post about them but I have yet to see a link to an independent source.

[HuffleClaw]

76. "the CIA funded and trained the Dalai Lama and his outfit" ????

i hardly believe that.

[Better Believe It]

77. Here's The Proof

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet by
Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison
April 2002

Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison reveal how America's Central Intelligence Agency encouraged Tibet's revolt against China--and eventually came to control its fledgling resistance movement. They provide the first comprehensive, as well as most compelling account of this little known agency enterprise.

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet takes readers from training camps in the Colorado Rockies to the scene of clandestine operations in the Himalayas, chronicling the agency's help in securing the Dalai Lama's safe passage to India and subsequent initiation of one of the most remote covert campaigns of the Cold War. Conboy and Morrison provide previously unreported details about secret missions undertaken in extraordinarily harsh conditions. Their book greatly expands on previous memoirs by CIA officials by putting virtually every major agency participant on record with details of clandestine operations. It also calls as witnesses the people who managed and fought in the program--including Tibetan and Nepalese agents, Indian intelligence officers, and even mission aircrews.

Conboy and Morrison take pains to tell the story from all perspectives, particularly that of the former Tibetan guerrillas, many of whom have gone on record here for the first time. The authors also tell how Tibet led America and India to become secret partners over the course of several presidential administrations and cite dozens of Indian and Tibetan intelligence documents directly related to these covert operations.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From 1959 to 1964, Tibetan guerrillas were secretly trained at Camp Hale by the CIA

Camp Hale, between Red Cliff and Leadville in the Eagle River valley in Colorado, was a United States Army training facility constructed in 1942 for what became the 10th Mountain Division. It was named in honor of General Irving Hale. Soldiers were trained in mountain climbing, skiing and cold-weather survival. When it was in full operation, approximately 16,000 soldiers were housed there.

From 1959 to 1964, Tibetan guerrillas were secretly trained at Camp Hale by the CIA. The site was chosen because of the similarities of the Rocky Mountains with the Himalayan Plateau. The Tibetans loved the surroundings so much that they nicknamed the camp, "Dhumra", the Garden. The CIA circulated a story in the local press that Camp Hale was to be the site of atomic tests and would be a high security zone. Until its closure in 1964, the entire area was cordoned off and its perimeter patrolled by military police. In the nearby mining town of Leadville, where instructors from Camp Hale occasionally went for rest and recreation, numerous rumors spread about the camp but no one guessed its real function.

The Tibetan project was codenamed ST Circus, and it was similar to the CIA operation that trained dissident Cubans in what later became the Bay of Pigs Invasion. In all, around 259 Tibetans were trained at Camp Hale. Some were parachuted back into Tibet to link up with local resistance groups (most perished); others were sent overland into Tibet on intelligence gathering missions; and yet others were instrumental in setting up the CIA-funded Tibetan resistance force that operated out of Mustang, in northern Nepal (1959-1974). After Camp Hale was dismantled in 1964, no Tibetans remained in Colorado.
From 1958 to 1960 Anthony Poshepny trained various special missions teams, including Tibetan Khambas and Hui Muslims, for operations in China against the Communist government. Poshepny sometimes claimed that he personally escorted the 14th Dalai Lama out of Tibet, but this has been denied, both by former CIA officers involved in the Tibet operation, and by the Tibetan Government-in-exile (Central Tibetan Administration).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Hale

[malaise]

55. Great read

Thanks

[HEyHEY]

62. Not as bad as the anti-Chinese frenzy in China

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyj-3S_ulvI

Of year's past... same shit different decade, in my opinion, though.

[AlCzervik]

68. Beijing bob in da howz.

您服务中国政府吗?

[Elidor]

69. "As best I can tell, the recent violence occurred when some ethnic Tibetans..."

FAIL.

[Better Believe It]

75. Are You Denying The Violent Firebombings And Beatings Of Chinese Civilians?

Lhasa Tourists Tell of Attacks on Chinese
By THOMAS BELL
The Daily Telegraph
March 19, 2008

KATHMANDU, Nepal — Tourists arriving in Kathmandu, the capital of Nepal, from the closed city of Lhasa yesterday told how they saw angry mobs of Tibetans attacking ethnic Chinese last Friday.

Claude Balsiger, 25, from Switzerland, said he saw the violence develop in Barkhor Square, near the Jokhang Temple.
"The young people were in action and the old people were supporting with screaming. Howling like wolves, that's how they supported them. Anything that looked Chinese was attacked. I saw at least seven to eight Chinese people attacked with stones and fists."

He saw one old Chinese man rescued from the mob by elderly Tibetan people, and believes the intervention of a Canadian tourist saved another life.

http://www2.nysun.com/article/73203

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The Times Online
March 15, 2008

'They stopped attacking the boy when I rushed forward'
Security forces stand by as the worst riots in 50 years are fuelled by Tibetans fighting for recognition

From The Times
March 15, 2008
By James Miles of The Economist in Lhasa
'They stopped attacking the boy when I rushed forward'

I saw a group of a hundred or so residents breaking up pieces of concrete and throwing them at the windows of Chinese shops as hundreds of on-lookers cheered. There was no sign of any attempt by security personnel during all of this to restore order. For an entire afternoon and into the evening Lhasa was under the control of rioters.

At the outset, the violence was also directed at passers-by who appeared to be ethnic Chinese. I saw one boy on a bicycle and people throwing stones towards him. As a foreigner, like other foreigners in Lhasa, I was treated with respect by the demonstrators. When I rushed forward to stop them attacking the boy, they ceased throwing their stones.

Throughout the afternoon groups of people came out from various houses. Sometimes just one or two teenage youths armed with traditional Tibetan knives, sometimes large groups of dozens, attacked Chinese shops, most ethnic Chinese themselves having fled in the early stages of the violence, leaving their shops shuttered but not secure enough to prevent them from being broken into by the mob.

They hauled out everything they could from row after row of Chinese shops. I saw them dragging out clothing , large pieces of meat and gas canisters, all of which they heaped on to the streets and set alight, with occasional explosions as the canisters caught fire.

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3556473.ece

[SidDithers]

72. And you're still using that Mandela avatar?...

Have you no shame?

Sid

[Better Believe It]

74. Unlike the Dalai Lama , Nelson Mandela Wasn't Funded By The CIA

And you didn't have a problem with the CIA bankrolling the Dalai Lama to the tune of nearly 2 million bucks a year!

If you need the links documenting the above I'd be happy to provide them.

You clearly have no shame!

[iamthebandfanman]

85. The Chinese GOVERNMENT are lying...

FASCIST PIGS!

they can take their fake ass communism and go F themselves.

power to the people!
workers unite!

DOWN WITH GREEDY FASCIST DICTATORS!

[xchrom]

86. frenzy? -- ok that's a fuckin laugh right there.

the chinese government is a brutal repressive regime -- that has killed millions of it's own citizens as well as uighers, tibetans, mongolians, etc to maintain it's own power.

there is nothing to defend about the chinese government -- nothing.

tell them to get their boot off the neck of the tibetan people -- to stop moving thousands of han chinese into tibet to displace and silence indigenous tibetans.

give back to the tibetans their own right to self determination that was brutally stolen from them by the chinese government.

TIBET IS NOT CHINA!

[mainegreen]

90. "I'm not a racist but...." =

"I should make clear from the start that I am profoundly sympathetic to Tibet and Tibetans"

"I have black friends...."="I have had the privilege of meeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama on two occasions..."

It's like you read the how to handbook!