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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:04 PM
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So Nancy is going to cave into Shrub again, and bring a bill to the floor for a Colombian Free Trade
Agreement???

I just heard a clip on Nova M Radio's news, and she said she'd work with the White House..WTF???
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:07 PM
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1. Maybe she's bringing it to a vote knowing it will fail?
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 03:07 PM by DJ13
That would remove this issue from being brought back up later.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:08 PM
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2. She doesn't have to bring it to the floor at all. She is in Control!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:09 PM
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3. This is asinine, there is no reason to bring this bill to the floor, even if it enjoys majority
support.

The GOP leadership didn't allow a vote on minimum wage for over a decade even though it would have glided through the House.

Its an easy process, just never schedule a vote and the deal in its current form dies with Bush.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:13 PM
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4. I am starting to believe that Busholini has a tape &/or video of
Pelosi that would end her career.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:14 PM
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5. Nancy has been caving since day 1
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:21 PM
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6. Why doesn't she just say that she works FOR the White House...
Opposition party my ass.

San Francisco needs better representation.

Vote Shirley Golub in the June primary



http://www.shirley08.com
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:26 PM
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7. She's part of the bush and dick protection team
She protects the two largest criminals in government in exchange for...donations from corporations? Not sure why she protects them but motive is the least of our problems.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:28 PM
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8. For those of you who believe this is "caving"...
kindly compare her record of fighting the White House with Tip O'Neill's.

Speakers now have a lot less power than they had years ago, and even years ago were rarely able to thwart an administration intent on doing something.

But, hey, juat blame it on Nancy-- it's easier to eat our own than put the blame where it belongs.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:46 PM
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20. Sorry. I remain unmoved. As long as she refuses to put IMPEACHMENT on the table,
she's little more than an enabler. Blood's on HER hands as well.

We have the most unpopular pResident in memory, who's flushed our economy, our Constitution, our good name overseas, and our military straight down the crapper, NOT TO MENTION fully and openly ADMITTING he okayed torture. And somehow, we still just can't bring ourselves to start IMPEACHMENT proceedings. And it's not simply benign neglect, either. She leaned on people (like John Conyers) to steer clear of the issue.

To me, she's every bit as big a part of the problem as bush/cheney Incorporated are - only perhaps a little worse. Because she IS in a position to stop them, at least to launch efforts to bring them to justice, and she does NOTHING.

If it looks like a caving, and it quacks like a caving, and it molts like a caving, and it swims like a caving, and it walks like a caving, then it is pretty damn likely a caving.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:28 PM
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9. Maybe she's been embarassed enough that she had to.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 03:31 PM by robcon
I support Nancy Pelosi, but this scheme - to keep the treaty away from a vote, although the House rules say trade agreements must come to a vote within 90 days - was awful.

(no news, however, on Google to support the idea that she has announced anything on this.)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:01 PM
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13. I've been checking google and youtube but I did hear a clip of her saying it on Nova M Radio news
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 04:02 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
while listening to Randi Rhodes Show.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:25 AM
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22. See my post #14 and #21
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:26 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Article and video.

It seems that she's trying to use the Colombian Trade Agreement as leverage to get Shrub to address the economy. What are the chances that the economy won't be addressed in any form of legislation and the trade agreement will get a floor vote?
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:39 PM
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10. Our Narcocracy In Action!
My first post, thanks!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:45 PM
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11. The ceiling braces have already been removed, what do you think? nt
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:58 PM
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12. NPR said this morn
it would'nt be brought up this year.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:12 PM
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14. Update. It appears that she intends to use the trade agreement as leverage to have
Shrub address our economic problems and if that and certain things be addressed in the trade agreement, would bring it to the floor.

Here's a snip from the article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1446719020080414?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

Pelosi says U.S. workers come ahead of Colombia pact

By Doug Palmer

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats will vote on a free trade agreement with Colombia only after the White House and Congress address pressing domestic economic concerns, House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Monday.

"We still believe it is possible to bring the Colombia free trade agreement to the floor under the proper circumstances, but first we need to address the worsening economy," Pelosi told reporters.

Earlier, President George W. Bush said the pact was "dead" until Pelosi scheduled a vote.

"This has to be done in recognition not only of the concerns that we have about human rights violations of workers in Colombia, but based on the economic security of America's workers here in our country," the California Democrat said.

"We ask the president to, once again, bring his people to the table so we can move forward," she said.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:14 PM
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15. She Was Holding off the Vote to Garner SUpport
out of fear the Free Trade bill would have failed. She was buying time....
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:32 PM
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16. utter bullshit, fascisthunter
You just made that up.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:17 AM
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23. It's My Opinion and We Shall See robcon
I hope I'm wrong... but I didn't "just make it up". I actually heard this spoken on AAR and I think it has some weight considering how this "leadership" has caved into Bush's other wants. See robcon, if they didn't "protect" Bush by not holding him accountable, then you could say I just made it up, but seeing as to how much enabling we have all witnessed these last 7 worst years in American history, 3 of which Nancy has reigned, it's all I can wonder.

"Impeachment is off the table."
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:37 PM
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17. So let's pretend that Pelosi knows just enough about how things really work to...
...be an ongoing disaster, but not enough to figure out why everything she touches turns to shit.

Let's say she really intends to try and force the Bushies to deal with domestic economic hardship as a condition of bringing the Colombian free trade scam to the floor.

Let's say she believes the Bushies would actually curtail the time they spend plotting mass murder or grand theft and devote serious time to developing programs to assist working class Americans.

Let's say that, despite best evidence, she believes the Bushies represent honor and integrity, and that their word is their bond. Let's say she manages to hold these views without benefit of drugs or alcohol.

Maybe she's got a lousy memory. Maybe she's forgotten how thoroughly co-opted she is by her silence when she was shown some "enhanced interrogation" techniques during a CIA briefing back in 2002.

Maybe she's never heard of signing statements, although the Bushies have elevated them to an art form and routinely use them to negate any legislation that doesn't suit their agenda.

Maybe she's not quite astute enough to realize that signing statements not only break existing law against such tampering but allow them to break the new law as well -- before the boy king's signature is even dry. So that's a two-for-one impeachable offense right there, except that the "I" word is not to be spoken aloud in her presence.

Maybe she's just a truly mediocre, feather-headed ditz with no taste for confrontation and with no grasp of how to deal with the GOP's brand of winner-take-all politics -- other than the one way she's made a staple: caving completely any and every time Cheney snarls or Bushie smirks.

No matter the reasons, none are good enough to subject the country to the continued malevolent presence of the Bushies when she actually has the power to reverse the effects of this right wing coup right now. Nah... Let's put all our focus on implementing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations, even though the commission was a complete white wash and therefore its recommendations are bogus.

So far, she's been the worst disappointment in a year notable for democratic disappointments. Elected to end the Iraq occupation and put the brakes on this rogue administration, her alleged leadership has resulted in business as usual for the Bushies and death as usual for Iraqi civilians.

Rather than rein in these madmen, no constraints have been placed on their mad dash to bankrupt the country and shift all that money to themselves, their cronies and the ruling elites. Maybe she's unfamiliar with the end game of privatization.

They want more money to waste in Iraq? How about if we give you a little more than you asked for. Would you like us then?

They break every law that gets in their way, and suspend Constitutional provisions to restrain presidential authority so they can break even more of them? No problem; we never really liked that "quaint" Bill of Rights either.

Personally, I hope Sheehan or Golub or the Cat in the Hat whips her ass so completely that she'll be embarrassed to ever run for public office again.

She's the ninth richest member of congress, so she doesn't really need the job. And both Sheehan and Golub could probably use the money and the perks.

Getting rid of Pelosi would be pretty much the same as getting rid of a house republican. In fact, I really don't see a lot of difference, except that republicans tend to be brutally honest about who they're going to screw, while Pelosi's the sneaky kind.


wp
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:43 PM
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18. WHAT? I thought she changed the "House Rules" to defeat the Deal...it was up
on Josh Marshall's "TPM" so it wasn't from some fly by night site. Whoa she caved again...after that BIG HEADLINE? :shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:46 PM
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19. why should she stop helping them now? fucking enablers
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:16 AM
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21. Video with Shrub first then Pelosi
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 03:16 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojJoRmZn2-Q

She first comes out "hitting hard" about the economy, not making the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest permanent, and helping the American people, but definitely says, if this is addressed she would sit down with the WH and get a Colombian Free Trade Agreement to the floor. This was something she was adamantly opposed to through this past weekend.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:18 AM
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24. It's what she does best!!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:18 AM
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25. Well I guess the Colombian Free Trade is more important
than our economy going bust. Stupid Nancy Pelosi, stop kissing up to these thugs huh?
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