It's all going according to Cheney's master plan. Invade Iraq, drive up oil prices. Squeeze American

[OregonBlue]

consumers. Get Iraq oil contracts for U.S. oil producers. Claim Iran is threatening those oil contracts and therefore U.S. interests. Attack Iran. Take Iran's oil too. Problem solved, America is now secure.

See it was all about security. And all done with the blessing of the American people who are desperate for oil. How much you wanna bet that's exactly how it went? And they of course are laughing all the way to the bank.

[Ishoutandscream2]

1. I don't find that far fetched at all

I think it's been the plan since day 1. How can we forget those "secret energy meetings"?

[DemKing]

2. 9/11 was allowed to happen

forget all the buildings being set to blow up and all that nonsense.

9/11 was allowed to happened, they needed a reason to do what they did which is destroy the world for their own personal gain.

simple, allow "something" to happen on american turf and then do everything they basically have done. Do I think they thought the buildings would fall, NO!! But I think they allowed "something" to happen.

all the color terror codes, all the fear, everything was planned.

[kimmerspixelated]

4. Exactly.

And furthermore, anyone who thinks otherwise, just isn't paying attention or is in denial. The PNAC states something about a pearl harbor like attack.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Page 48 of the manifesto to be exact

[Nostradammit]

14. It's on page 63 of my copy.

Perhaps you got an advance copy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Nah, got the copy from Ray Taliafero at one point

but it is there.

Scary he was one of the first (with Ward) to begin talking of the PNAC plan... well before it was popular

[Nostradammit]

8. The planes brought down WTC 7?

Really?

Or was it a fire that caused it to collapse immediately into its own footprint?

Really?

Maybe the Saudi-backed hijackers thought they were doing one thing, but the PNAC had
a more spectacular outcome planned.

[Prefer]

9. it sure has hell looks like little bombs going off in sequence down the building

I am not a believer of complicated plans, but I've seen one sequence of photos where you can see the charges going off...

All three of them fell too easily. Have you see the show where they demolish buildings? The men go through great care to design and lay a sequence to control those things perfectly and get them to fall in their footprint.

The WTC buildings all look like they fell clean and neatly, just like that, particularly building 7.

But like I say, I hate things that are complicated. To me the single greatest giveaway is the fact they they let the pentagon get hit - HOURS into this attack. I just can't fathom an excuse for the thousands of people whose job it is to guard that building to have all failed their primary function simultaneously.

Look, think sopranos. Crimes like this are committed with multiple faces. There is a face for the unassuming public explanation, then there is one for people that are wise - that one said - "it doesn;t matter if you know the truth, there is nothing you can so about it"...

Bandar "I say to you, So what?"
Cheney "So?"

Criminals right in your face telling you there is nothing you can do about it.

[Nostradammit]

10. To me the greatest single giveaway is Condi Rice's promotion

Seriously - the worst attack on U.S. soil and the person whose job it is to prevent such a thing
gets promoted to Secretary of State??!!!

Right...

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. No, WTC 7 came down due to damage

AND weakened steel from heat... after a certain point it will not support the same weight...

Oh and by the way, WTC 7 was a bonus

Those puffs you see are windows blowing OUTWARDS

By the way... you realize what it takes to rig a building for demolition?

You also realize WHY that size of a conspiracy is HARD to control?

Now LETTING IT HAPPEN, and there is plenty of evidence for this, requires a few people... and you will not get any of them to break the code of Omerta

If we did... the trial for High Treason would be fun indeed

[Nostradammit]

13. Did all the steel on all the floors of WTC 7 weaken at exactly the same time?

I didn't think so, either.

I think 9-11 was an act of desperation on the part of the Bush cabal.

They've been stinking up the joint for so long that it was all starting to catch up with them.

And, as Poppy says, if the American people knew even half of what they've done they'd be hunted down like dogs in the street.

I think they got a group of half-wits convinced that they were taking part in a "traditional" hi-jacking and then
used remote flying capabilities to slam the planes into the buildings which had been rigged to completely collapse. More bang
for the buck. Who will resist them in the face of such terror?

What's that - you say Marvin Bush was on the BOD of the company in charge of security at the towers? And Cheney was conducting war games
involving hi-jacked airplanes on that day?

Hmmmm...

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Once again you realize what it takes to blow a building?

We will agree insofar as they needed this... but as to them rigging ANY of these buildings for demolition, we part company

As to failure, you need a small section to fail for the building to fail...

Sorry, done my confined space building rescue... no, nothing that size, but you'd be amazed how buildings that fail do look like they pancake as if rigged in certain situations.

Now I will not be able to convince you... and you will not be able to convince me...so we part company as to the size of the conspiracy (and there was one)

Your size requires thousands of people... mine requires the principals, that's it

And yes, referring to this as a conspiracy in the LEGAL sense

[Nostradammit]

18. Can you show me one photo of a building like WTC 7

That has failed that way from fire?

Weren't all the Enron court papers in there?

And since the PNAC manifesto brags about using their "new technology" to take over the world,
could the buildings have been brought down by something other than conventional explosives?
Was this a display of their new capabilities for the rest of the world leaders to witness?

I believe the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was meant to hit WTC 7.
Something went wrong but they needed to yank it regardless.

The Republican party is, by the way, a conspiracy of thousands.

And they are cold-blooded, ruthless killers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You can find the ENRON papers in multiple places

what you think the US Government ONLY stores those things in one place?

Oh and the jurisdiction WAS in TEXAS... so if they had papers there it was a copy... main paperwork is held at the court of record. And given how important this trial was perhaps there is a copy, under seal, at the National Archives as well, Why under seal? There is STILL a legal case here. Mostly the lawsuits and bankruptcy court. And damn it, there are easier ways to dispose of paperwork as well.

As to buildings that have pankacked that way... do a google search... you will find them... hell I know I've crawled into some...

Look under confined space rescue, urban rescue, or building rescue...

Oh and the plane in Pennsylvania was on its way to DC... wrong direction. You might believe what you want, but that one was meant for DC. No, not the official story, just FAA data, and direction of crash. Oh by the way the debris field IS NOT six miles across but about two... don't do google earth, and mapquest, it uses roads not a straight line.

Now once again, if you had a conspiracy the size you believe, you'd have somebody talking by now. Oh wait, you have, one... and it supports LIHOP, Sybel Edmonts.

Now taking a building down... well It takes taking WALLS down, when you rig a building for collapse as well as boring holes, and that is highly vissilbe... and you do have detcord and other parts left behind. .

Nothing mich really, and yes months...

There was a conspiracy (n the legal sense) and there is LOTS of evidence that THEY LET IT HAPPEN... and that takes only the principals... so keeping secrets is fairly easy... as I said, we will part company... problem having a clue...

[Nostradammit]

25. Fare thee well

"This holds true for other parties and players involved within the MIC network; the contractors and the investors. Let’s look at one of these famous and influential players; another foreign agent even if only by default; a man who defended the Saudis against a lawsuit brought by the 9/11 victims’ family members; a man who happens to be the senior counsel for the Carlyle Group, which invests heavily in defense companies and is the nation's 10th largest defense contractor with ties to the Saudi Royal Family, Enron, Global Crossing, among others; James Baker; Papa Bush’s Secretary of State. On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Baker was reportedly at a Carlyle investor conference with members of the Bin Laden family in the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC, while Bush Sr. was on the payroll of the Carlyle group."

- SIBEL EDMONDS

Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds Sibel Edmonds

http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Op-ed-Part1-Nov15-06.htm







"The collapse of these structures is particularly significant in that, prior to these events, no protected steel-frame structure, the most common form of large commercial construction in the United States, had ever experienced a fire-induced collapse." (FEMA 403, Executive Summary, page 4)

"...the team is unaware of any protected steel structures that have collapsed in a fire prior to September 11." (FEMA 403, Chap. 1, page 20)

"prior to September 11, there was no record of the fire-induced-collapse of such structures, despite some very large uncontrolled fires."(FEMA 403, Chap. 2, page 38)

"Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings." (FEMA 403, Chap. 5, page 1)

"...prior to September 11, 2001, no protected steel frame buildings had been known to collapse due to fire." (FEMA 403, Appendix A, page 9)

[defendandprotect]

22. You're c lose . . .

but you'd be even closer if you understood that they controlled 9/11 ---

As the Russians call it . . . "The Reichstag fire in NYC --- !!!"

[kimmerspixelated]

3. What archery!

This is a simple and effective summary of the plan! The PNAC plan!! My husband often says, " Hell has a special place for Darth Cheney."

[Clear Blue Sky]

5. It seems to be unfolding exactly as you describe...

[alfredo]

6. Then those two countries can be our gas station to fuel our war machine

as we march across south Asia, through SE Asia, then up through N Korea into China. I believe they call China the end game.

[guyanakoolaid]

7. That was the plan drawn up in Cheney's 40+ secret energy policy meetings in '01

The meetings no candidate but Obama has talked about. The meetings where Ken Lay and other oil and energy bigwigs attended, but no consumer advocates or environmentalists were invited. The meetings whose minutes Cheney has refused to turn over.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

15. All going according to plan, lets use the war on terra as an excuse to

privatize social security, break the public school system, not to mention those damn unions, privatize the roads and sell off our infrastructure, and drown the middle class.... yes it is all according to plan.

[GreenTea]

20. No doubt, $5.00 a gallon will make BushCo OIl very happy.......

We are "barreling" towards $5.00 a gallon before BushCo leaves office (McCain will continue it). Gas was at $1.67 a gallon when BushCo Oil took office in 2001.

In over a hundred years gas, prices hit $1.67 a gallon (never mind how the oil industry for so many years supported the auto industry cranking out low MPG....and helping to defeat so many mass transit initiatives, while building more roads with our tax dollars for even more automobile gas consumption).

We are now forced to buy their gas while they get even more tax breaks and subsidies (corporate welfare) from our tax dollars, still it's NOT enough!

But again, in just seven plus years of BushCo gas is now at $4.00 a gallon (in CA) and rising, heading to be sure to $5.00 a gallon before Bush leaves office...

We'll then have McCain keeping it rolling for the only five oil conglomerates left to continue their collusion & gouging us at the pump.

Now, the greedy republicans want the Iranian oil fields and of course Venezuela', as they will profit even more from our taxes paying for our military for their imperialism and will no doubt gouge us even more.....

Who are the ignorant, gullible, or worse, the indifferent, who think differently?

[defendandprotect]

21. As long as we're dependent on oil --- this can be done --- ELECTRIC CARS . . .

ALTERNATIVE ENERGY --- SOLAR/BATTERY/WIND

Nationalize the oil industry ---

[and-justice-for-all]

24. I agree...

Nationalization of ALL natural resources and services should be done. Water, Natural Gas, Petrol, oil Electric service all Nationalized to end corporatist raping of society.

[defendandprotect]

23. See Robert Redford's "Thirty Days of the Condor" . . .

Occasionally on TNT ---

By the way, where's SICKO --- shouldn't that be hitting TV soon . . . ????


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