Financial Collapse will End the Occupation:& it won't be "A time of our choosing"--Mike Whitney

[laststeamtrain]

Financial Collapse will End the Occupation: And it won't be "A time of our choosing" By Mike Whitney

14/04/08 "ICH " -- - The US Military has won every battle it has fought in Iraq, but it has lost the war. Wars are won politically, not militarily. Bush doesn't understand this. He still clings to the belief that a political settlement can be imposed through force. But he is mistaken. The use of overwhelming force has only spread the violence and added to the political instability. Now Iraq is ungovernable. Was that the objective? ...http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19742.htm

[BeHereNow]

1. Just read it from the ICH site. Thanks for posting it here.

Depressing as hell, the future...no?
BHN

[laststeamtrain]

7. "In the dark times"

In the dark times
Will there also be singing?
Yes, there will be singing
About the dark times.--Bertolt Brecht

[bushmeister0]

19. DER KANONEN-SONG

"Soldaten wohnen
Auf den Kanonen
Vom Cap bis Couch Behar.
Wenn es mal regnete
Und es begegnete
Ihnen 'ne neue Rasse
'ne braune oder blasse
Da machen sie vielleicht daraus ihr Beefsteak Tartar.

The Army's story
Is guns and glory
From the Cape to Cutch Behar.
When they are at a loss
And chance to come across
New and unruly races
With brown or yellow faces
They chop them into little bits of beefsteak tartare!"

http://webgiant.sdf1.org/carnivale/kanonen-song.html

[mike_c]

2. this sounds exactly like the soviet experience in Afghanistan....

Ultimately, it broke them. The U.S. is heading in an eerily similar direction.

[jberryhill]

11. ...which was entirely the point of 9/11 - to draw us in

...and Bush took the bait.

[fed-up]

13. follow the money-the war was not a loss for many in the administration (treason)..nt

[enough]

3. A powerful statement.

snip from the article>

The Bush administration has decided to pursue a strategy that is unprecedented in US history. It has decided to continue to prosecute a war that has already been lost morally, strategically, and militarily. But fighting a losing war has its costs. America is much weaker now than it was when Bush first took office in 2000; politically, economically and militarily. US power and prestige around the world will continue to deteriorate until the troops are withdrawn from Iraq. But that's unlikely to happen until all other options have been exhausted. Deteriorating economic conditions in the financial markets are putting enormous downward pressure on the dollar. The corporate bond and equities markets are in disarray; the banking system is collapsing, consumer spending is down, tax revenues are falling, and the country is headed into a painful and protracted recession. The US will leave Iraq sooner than many pundits believe, but it will not be at a time of our choosing. Rather, the conflict will end when the United States no longer has the capacity to wage war. That time is not far off.

snip>

[nichomachus]

4. K&R -- required reading for everyone

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

5. Since they didn't give a damn about bankrupting this nation, I seriously doubt,...

,...they give a rat's rear-end about the ultimate outcome in the M.E.

Seriously! Their attitude about the U.S. government is that it does way too much to care for its people and should be weakened to the point of drowning/destruction. Meanwhile, they've defrauded the entire nation into a profiteering war allowing them to be in an economic position such that they will be unaffected by the collapse of this country.

Polite politicking ain't gonna fix this situation. It's way past time to wage all out political, social, democratic and tactical non-violent war against this regime. They have stolen ALL THAT WAS GOOD about our people and our ideals and our nation. They must be stopped. They must be prosecuted.

They know they can get away with whatever they want, though. So, this period will not end, for awhile.

[malaise]

6. Then they'll blame the Dems in power and unless they

deal with the last part of the article, the war criminals will group to fight again.

"Someone will have to be held accountable. There will have to be international tribunals to determine who is responsible in the deaths of over one million Iraqis".

Meanwhile
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKCY4A_jucf_0bbqXPWwUpu3w_mg
<snip>
28 killed in surge of violence in Iraq

5 hours ago

BAGHDAD (AFP) — A surge of violence killed 28 people in the past 24 hours in Iraq, among them 12 members of the Kurdish peshmerga forces who died in a bomb blast near the Syrian border, officials said on Monday.

The country's north bore the brunt of the violence, with the attack on the peshmerga troops at the town of Rabiyah, three car bombs exploding in separate incidents in the main city of Mosul, and a suicide bomb attack on a funeral in the town of Tal Afar.

Local police said the car bomb parked on the side of the road near Rabiyah, 120 kilometers (75 miles) northwest of Iraq's main northern city of Mosul, exploded as a vehicle carrying peshmerga troops drove by, killing 12 and wounding five.

K & R

Add.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

10. How many times, how many crimes will it take for the 'political will' necessary,...

,...to end the cycle of abuses by the arms and energy profit-sucking financiers?

:shrug:

When will we dig them up from their roots and throw them out onto the barren pavement?

:shrug:

[malaise]

15. Read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3157841

[lovuian]

8. they failed

and they will fail in everything theyy do

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. Shrinking the federal government and drowning it in a bathtub

I think there's some of that thinking in the Bush Administration. I'm pretty sure that the Pentagon will still get funding in the future, as ChimpCo has made the world a more dangerous place. But as tax revenues begin to dimish if we go into a collapse, we'll see the shrinking or disappearance of other government programs. I'm not even sure Bush cares about the cost of wars like Iraq. I think there's more long-range thinking at work, about rearranging America in fundamental ways (to the detriment of the environment, the infrastructure, education, and a host of domestic concerns of the lower and middle classes).

[Arctic Dave]

12. I think you are right. I think these guys have long term plan

and they are going to stick to it. Destroy Iraq as a nation. It is easier to extract oil at minimum cost when the country can't organize due to warfare and corruption. Also, destroy the US as we know it. I'm sure there are several corps waiting in the wings to devour everything that we have as a nation just like they did when the USSR collapsed. I don't want to overplay the "Shock Doctrine" explanation but it does seem very apropos.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

14. Haven't they done enough for us to presume the worst about their objectives?

Why wouldn't we BELIEVE they are wicked enough to destroy a nation for their own benefit?

Why NOT treat this administration as an enemy of this Republic?

How much evidence is required before we treat this regime's activities as HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS?

Will we wait until it's too late?

:shrug:

[Bozita]

16. that's MUST READ stuff!

[screembloodymurder]

17. Flying Kites

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m37155&hd=&size=1&l=e

They hate us for our freedoms ...

[Karenina]

18. . .