American Family Association calls for straight women to marry gay men.

[pnwmom]

No, I don't have a link. But isn't this basically what they -- and all other homophobes -- want? More "mixed orientation" marriages?

:shrug:

[Demeter]

1. So, Women Are to Blame for Men's Gayness?

and if the little lady can't straighten him out, she's less than perfect?

Do they take us for fools? Too many women have been there, done that, gotten the divorce and screwed their lives already. Don't think so.

[pnwmom]

6. No, but if gay men want to have families, that's the only acceptable

way to have them, according to groups like the AFA.

Oh yeah -- they think gay men can pray it away. Right.

:sarcasm:

[Mojambo]

Well... not ALL women.

[pnwmom]

10. But I think you're implying that that creature

IS a woman. . . .

[Chovexani]

20. Because she is.

Stop that.

[pnwmom]

21. Well, that's funny. I could have sworn it was just

a photo-shopped image constructed of pixels.

[Chovexani]

23. And I could have sworn this was turning into yet another transbashing fest.

WTF does Coulter and her gender even have to do with this conversation?

[pnwmom]

25. Nothing. Just a dumb tangent.

I can't stand Coulter, but I wasn't trying to bash trannies. Sorry!

[Chovexani]

31. No worries.

I just wish people would realize that when they trot out the tired MANN Coulter crap, they are insulting transpeople and everyone else who does not conform to gender norms.

I hate Coulter with every fiber of my being, but we need to focus on what truly makes her detestable (her vile ideas).

[pnwmom]

33. It's the same when they trash Hillary for not being feminine enough.

You know -- for her pantsuits, her ankles, etc.

It's just easier to fall into when the woman who's being bashed is a Rethug, but not more excusable.

[HockeyMom]

2. Well, I know a straight man who married a gay woman

for business/corporate appearances. The marriage didn't last long. He went out with women. She went out with women. Even their families kept begging them to divorce and end the charade.

They did, and everyone lived happily ever after.

A very absurd idea from the very absurd AFA.

[pnwmom]

4. They're not literally saying it -- I'm saying that's the end result of everything

they DO say. More unfortunate marriages like my parents'.

For generations upon generations, we have had straight people marrying closeted gay people. That's what the AFA apparently wants to go back to.

[JerseygirlCT]

7. Well then they won't have to be bothered actually having to

admit that gay people exist.

I mean, c'mon - it's all about them, right?

[pnwmom]

9. But what I want to know is

will they want their daughter to marry an "ex-gay" man? Or is that only for someone else's daughter?

[gratuitous]

15. That's precisely the conclusion my friend Cliff has reached

He's the father of a lesbian and very active in his congregation and denomination. His point about sexuality is a plea for living a life of integrity. His and his wife's activism over the decades (they're in their 80s) has really pissed off a lot of their fellow church-goers, but nobody has refuted his basic point, which is that none of them really want their daughters to be trapped or tricked into a loveless marriage with a man who has no sexual interest in their little girls.

[LeftyMom]

3. I'm sure that's a recipe for lifelong happiness and great self-esteem.

Jane: "Honey, you don't seem to find me attractive lately. Is there something I can do? Change my hair?"

Fred: "Grow a penis."

Jane: "..."

Especially lovely if you can rope the poor saps into one of those loopy fundie "covenant marriages" so they have to jump through hoops of fire once they come to the obvious conclusion that it doesn't work.

[JerseygirlCT]

5. Much as I usually like gay men...

WTF?

[pnwmom]

8. Think about it. What groups like the AFA really want

is a return to "50's values", right?

When people like my unsuspecting mom married my confused and unhappy dad. . . .

[JerseygirlCT]

13. Yup. Just so they don't have to be troubled to

actually admit that gay folks exist. Really, we all ought to just conform to their expectations.

[kestrel91316]

11. How about the lesbian women? I suppose they want THEM marrying

the straight men.

Um, are they LOOKING to increase the divorce rate, or what???

[pnwmom]

14. Uh-huh. I think so.

What else could it mean?

:shrug:

(P.S. Maybe this is also why the divorce rates are so much higher in the Bible belt. All those gay men and women giving it a go with straight people first.)

[Withywindle]

12. Well, "good" women never really want sex anyway in fundie-land.

:puke:

[AnnieBW]

16. I volunteer to marry John Barrowman!

Too bad he's a British national and married to his partner!

Oh, well. I'll have to settle for my gay friend Arthur. :(

[pnwmom]

27. Alas, that type of marriage

only seems to last until one or the other finds someone who can love them in EVERY way.

But friends are good!

[Beregond2]

17. I wish

they would encourage rich straight women with fatal illneses to marry THIS gay man...

[Jack Rabbit]

18. That is the loonyist idea I've heard them yet

I have two cousins, one from each side of the family, who married men (this was forty years ago) who turned out to be gay.

Needless to say, both marriages failed.

Do these morons have any idea what they are proposing? I know they're existential homophobes, but they don't even want to contemplate the notion that things are better today, when a gay person can be a gay person, not be ashamed of it and not try to kid any one (himself included) about being something else.

[pnwmom]

19. They're not literally proposing it -- I meant that that is the actual

result of their homophobia. Telling gay people they aren't acceptable human beings worthy of having families is the same as telling them they should marry straight people -- they way they "handled" those "impulses" for generations.

[Kitty Herder]

22. Sounds like a great way to increase divorces..... Not sure if that's what they're after, but that'

s what they'll get.

[Quantess]

24. If they could think their ideas through, then yes, that is what they are telling people to do.

However, I have gradually realized that many people do not have a grasp on if ..., then ... reasoning.

[El Pinko]

26. Sure, who would be a better partner...

...than a guy who would have to close his eyes and think of Brad Pitt just to make love to you, who would be constantly full of self-hatred and internal conflict, and would inevitably leave you once he came to his senses and decided to live true to his feelings, but of course not before saddling you with a couple kids. Sounds like a marriage made in heaven!

:sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

28. Actually, "Far from Heaven"

is the exact location.

Good movie, too.

[devilgrrl]

29. Isn't that an arrangement that Ralph Reed is involved in already?

:popcorn:

[LibDemAlways]

32. Yep, he and Larry Craig could serve as spokesmen.

[pnwmom]

35. I see those men like that around every corner.

Coming to adulthood in a family like that can make you a bit suspicious . . .

For example, I wonder about Justice John Roberts and his little adopted trophy family. Check out the outfits! Looks like something my sibs and I might have worn -- 40 or 50 years ago.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://superfrankenstein.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html&h=772&w=515&sz=68&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=_Zve582gLrfBaM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJustice%2BRoberts%2B%2522swearing%2Bin%2522%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

[murielm99]

36. I've always wondered about him, too. n/t

[Occulus]

30. I'd legally marry a straight woman for the marriage benefits.

So long as the arrangement is known by both of us to be strictly practical from a legal and financial standpoint, and was emotionally barren from start to finish.

Hey, I can't marry who I want to, so I think using the system against my fellow heterosexual antigay-amendment-yessing taxpayers is a fraking great idea. Shoot me if you don't like it.

Go ahead and call my marriage a fraudulent contract and see how far you get.

(I think using the existing law against those who are against gay marriage is just genius. Who would call a legal marriage a fraud?)

[pnwmom]

34. I wouldn't have a problem with any of that, since you said

you would only be doing it with another consenting, aware, adult.

Unfortunately, that's not how it worked with my parents. One young, naive straight woman; and one young, confused, closeted gay man. And ten months later, I was born, sealing the non-deal.

[murielm99]

38. That is so sad. I am sorry.

So many people are hurt by this type of thing.

I hope we can learn to celebrate all types of families. No one should have to deny their sexuality.

[pnwmom]

39. By the time my very fertile mother figured out what was going on

she already had 4 kids under 5 years old.

So they were stuck together, for decades, and that WAS sad for all concerned.

Kids can't be happy when their parents are miserable.

[SeattleGirl]

37. Well, I've known more than a few gay men I've had fleeting thoughts

of marrying, but I'm not in the conversion business, so that thought went right out of my head in no time.

[pnwmom]

40. My advice is to let those fleeting thoughts go.

But you've already figured that out.

Perhaps there are situations where "mixed orientation" marriage might work, but I've never known any. Sooner or later, one of the two falls in love with someone else, and then there's just as much misery as in any straight divorce.

[SeattleGirl]

41. Yep.

I learned a long time ago to let go of those thoughts. Only guarantees misery.

And as I said, I'm not into conversion, particularly because I don't think gay people need conversion. They are fine, just as they are.

[LeftishBrit]

42. Why, because they don't think either women or gay men should have sex, or at least not enjoy it?

And this would be one way of reducing the opportunities? (Actually, it would really be a sure way of encouraging people to have affairs!)