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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:26 AM Original message |
Creeped out by those cult moms in Texas! |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. weird, breathy sing-song voices, and that unibrow! OY! |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Thank you -- I thought I was the only one creeped out by Mrs. Unibrow |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Thats the way little baby Jesus dressed don't you know? |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
208. Keep Sweet! |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. How about the hair styles? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. This has to be attacked tactfully we need a scaple to cut this out |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
100. Yes, I agree |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #100 |
167. Don't forget the MONEY! They are welfare farms. Seriously. |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. right |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
239. I don't think pedophilia ia constitutional right |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
133. Those were definitely styles form the 1930's or 40's |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
149. It's odd, because the hair styles are from a different period than the dresses. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #149 |
242. it's because they ban all the gay people... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Who knows, the unibrow might be a genetic trait. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
110. Call me shallow - but I REALLY want to get a wax strip between.... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
134. Many of those women probably suffer from Stockholm Syndrome |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #134 |
241. I've some experience with having my kids taken from me..... |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
137. totally creepy, like the start of a horror movie |
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Savannah_H (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
154. reply |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
166. I feel sorry for them, somewhat, given that they're brainwashed and all, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. quiet, whispery.... yes. i noticed last night and thought what... train voice 101 |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Here's a video link. All I can say is ugh. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Thanks, I forgot to add the link! |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
89. which video? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
163. Holy shit |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. eyebrow. n/t |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. This entire situation is so alarming... |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. And yet another believer in Rights and the Rule of Law |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
51. Do you understand what you are defending? |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
132. self delete |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. What wouldn't surprise me about this situation is |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. It wasn't just Mohamed. Many of the old testament characters did too. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Nailing people to a cross was "normal" in biblical times also |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. We have not deviated from the practice of execution. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. And if a girl wants to leave the Catholic church later there is no problem |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. counter-proposal available via open media |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
130. NO - BUT, now that my boys are older..... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #130 |
209. It's not particularly harmful now. But the RCC does have a very bloody history. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I understand that ... but then, Islam is the current nasty that has to be |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Right and there were states who's age of consent was 14. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Do you seriously NOT understand the difference between you sleeping with a GROWN WOMAN, |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Do you seriously NOT understand what pedophilia is? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Wow, you're dense, aren't you? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. No, I'm not dense, but I think you are blinded by something. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
116. Legally and technically you are correct - |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
125. Yes, I'm blinded by hatred of people who think it's ok to fuck children.. and the people who defend |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
170. A male ex-member of the sect disagrees with you - he says they're pedophiles. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I don't see this as pedophilia. The pathology is totally different. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
124. the difference is manipulation - it's much easier to corrupt and.. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Oh you mean like telling them Iraq will have WMD's if you don't have sex with me. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
136. What *you* see as pedophilia isn't relevant to anything. I'm sure these sick fucks don't think THEY |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. So the entire state of Louisiana are "sick fucks?" There 12 is legal. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Ut oh! even Texas. here we thought it was Bush that made them Sick fucks. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. North Carolina too! |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. South Carolina's Constitution |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Mississippi too! look at all the "sick fucks" that will allow a husband to have sex with his wife. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #142 |
175. Allowing 12 yos to marry? Yeah, that qualifies as sick, for sure. nt |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #142 |
180. Comprehension is your friend, embrace it, don't fear it... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. I'm merely citing the law. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #136 |
205. oh.... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #205 |
214. Some young chicks actually dig older men. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #136 |
250. ... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
146. The difference is |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
220. Because a 14 year old is a child and cannot consent. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #220 |
244. First of all pedophillia only applies to prepubescents. The word is highly misused. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #244 |
248. First of all |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #248 |
251. Polygamy is part of the church doctrine and therefore has first amendment protection. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. Actually, *belief* is protected. *Practice* is not always protected |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #252 |
256. Practice is protected. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #256 |
257. You're incorrect. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #256 |
261. By your "logic".. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
243. umm - because a FIFTY year old is an OLD ADULT and not a YOUNG CHILD!!!! |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. I'm 76 and have retained a sharp mind disciplined in many sciences. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. How does that work now that the normal age of menarche can now be as early as |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
196. 12 and a half was AVERAGE in the early 1980s |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
206. Age of first menses.. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
143. How ancient are their customs |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. Religion? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. This is an attack on religion.It's the most heinous attack on religion. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Are you truly defending infanticide, incest, rape, welfare fraud, child abandonment, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. In my opinion, Freedom of Religion only works if the individuals have any individual freedom, |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. The lack of freedom. What is the root cause? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. I agree with your last paragraph. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Then why did the women return after being liberated? |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Because they believe their eternal souls are hostage. nt |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. That is their belief and their right. If THEY change that belief it's freewill. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #90 |
204. They need accurate information so they can make that choice freely. I was a bit like them once. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
107. What else would they do? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. They were offered accomodations at a shelter. Probably for abused women. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #114 |
138. And maybe they're not. But if they know nothing else, then how do they really know? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #138 |
195. So the RCC shouldn't baptize anyone until they are at least 18? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
123. Patty Hearst stayed too, yes? |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
191. Some women do return. Many don't. Look up Tapestry of Polygamy. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
153. Catholics don't have to drink wine at Mass |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #153 |
168. Mazdaism or Zoroastrianism. |
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janetle (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. I agree |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
179. Well put. nt |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
188. Absolutely!! nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
59. hat large group of people in the sect were systematically killed? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. That's ethnic genocide. Genocide is also applied to political groups. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
91. Oh that is funny. Having gone round with "is what's happening in Iraq genocide" stuff |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
93. You are fucking off your rocker... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. Some of us actually know of what we speak. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. false analogy.. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
102. Genocide? Get real. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. No, what I'm saying is that under the Convention on Genocide. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #108 |
141. Gee, why did you leave off the first half of that law? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #102 |
159. I totally 100% agree with you here |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. What happens when the Muslims come here and outlaw your religious practises. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #161 |
213. It is different.... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
151. So, you posit |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #151 |
162. Actually in many states marriage is a valid defense against statutory rape. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #162 |
212. In how many states |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. That I honestly don't know. But many States will allow minors to marry with the permission |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #162 |
215. IF.... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. Some states the law says legally married. Others simply say "the spouse." |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #217 |
240. "Spouse" has a legal definition |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #151 |
178. I'd go a step further, Dorian |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #178 |
211. I totally agree with you here |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #178 |
255. I agree 100%. n/t |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
152. please educate yourself about the FLDS |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
176. Their "religion" gives them no freedom to harm others. None |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. I agree with that. But you don't seem to be wanting to allow the women and children to consent . |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. Have you heard the stories from some of the women who have |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #181 |
192. "allow the women and children to consent" |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #192 |
219. I understand that. But can the women consent to being submissive to the men? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #219 |
224. They can consent, but they must always be free to retract that |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
185. What about the religious freedom of the girls and women who are trapped in this cult? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #185 |
254. Yes but can YOU respect their religious freedoms? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #254 |
258. They went back because they knew nothing else. They |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:43 AM Response to Reply #254 |
262. What the fuck do you mean? What freedom do they have if they are beaten when they try to leave? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
54. What "evil leftist government"? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
259. The media have to be careful. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. Uniformity...What Makes These Cults Attractive |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Orthodox Jewish women are not in cults. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. I Have Lived With Orthodox All My Life... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Well, I have known a fair number of different orthodox Jewish people |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. In the late 1980s I conducted a interview at Short Creek/Colorado City for a sociology class |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
12. I know! They wear identical "Little House on the Prairie" dresses that vary |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Typically the way this cult works |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
15. As to the inbreeding: many of the polygynous families are descended |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
16. They remind me of the last group of US fundies who went over the edge |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. To be honest, I was suprised that there wasn't a gunfight |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
21. can you say brainwashed?-all had same "talking points" "it's about the children" |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Can a person have belief that are different from yours without being brainwashed? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I strongly believe that, but these particular women and children are systematically exploited |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Every religion has planned your life for you from craddle to grave and beyond. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
55. e can go to the Users Manual |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. The seclusion is due to persecution. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. They (Christian and Jews) had full knowledge... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. How about being arrested and sent to jail for marrying more than one woman? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. That makes no sense. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. That makes no sense because marriage began as a religious ceremony. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. It began that way, but since has separated out to secular. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Well I believe in both religious and secular marriage. It's a real simple system. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
115. Is being arrested and sent to jail for one's religion a systemic part |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #120 |
145. We also burned witches--part and parcel of the free exercise. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #145 |
218. No "we" didn't. You might have. But I haven't. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. That is definitely NOT true for all religions |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Okay, then name just one that doesn't. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Maybe you should more clearly and precisely define, "fully planned". |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. The churches planning of your life actually begins at your parents wedding. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
113. All other things being equal... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
129. At one point in time they did and in some countries still do. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
147. You're not able to list precise and relevant details |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #147 |
169. So the caste system is not systemic? With illogic like that. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Unitarian Universalism |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. The UU's are very close to my own religion, Mazdaism. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Does UU plan your life being a search for the truth to keep their coffers full? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. Are you saying that they accept no money from their membership? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Of course they accept money. But they don't plan your life to keep their coffers full. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
140. They have to plan your life to have a life plan. If they don't have a life plan they are not |
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Habibi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
128. Preach it, brother! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. If they are not brainwashed, then what do you call it when human beings |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Show me some evidence for your claims, please. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. I'm putting it together now - in the meantime you can search my posts |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
119. I appreciate your efforts. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #119 |
229. As promised |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Damn those creepy, evil mothers....caring about their children! |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Yeah, they care so much about their kids they let them get raped and thrown out of the community |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Don't forget the waterboarding of infants... |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
101. That I hadn't heard about |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
63. Damn those creepy, evil Child Protective Custody case workers. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Take away the alphabet soup and what they do can also be called kidnapping. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
117. It's not kidnapping |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
135. remove the alphabet soup (rule of law.) What you have is people taking children without their |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #135 |
144. you consider the rule of law as being irrelevant |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
172. How well do you subscribe to the rule of law? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #172 |
225. But these are polygamous marriages to girls under the age of consent. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #225 |
246. I understand that but there are states in which what they are doing is perfectly legal. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
84. They all looked like they've dissociated -- |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
194. They all look that way in person, too. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. They've been brainwashed into being kiddie-diddler enablers |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
30. The basic problem with all religious thought is that the basic |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
35. I'm more than a little "creeped out" by some of the posters in this thread. |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Thank you. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You're welcome. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. You know, that's quite kind of you |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
230. Fortunately, I got over it. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. Even DU has its own resident member Loonies. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
94. You forgot satanism! They have yet to locate a victim. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
228. A link for you |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
249. duh! We're liberals, remember? WE LOVE THAT STUFF! |
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Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
58. I only have one thing to say after seeing that: |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. Or "The Stepford Multiple Wives Club" |
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Roxy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
67. My 13 year old daughter was creeped out by them too... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
71. C'mon all good liberals: Let's burn the witches!!! |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
79. Big Love n/t |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. This is happening in the United States in the 21st century. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. And people here are defending it. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
98. I always say, if you don't like the age we're living in, |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
86. I'm creeped out by some of the posters here too. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. That's not true. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
199. The guilt of one, or even a handful, does not justify this. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Some of us are trying to understand their religion and it's practices before condemning or accepting |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
155. If you knew anything at all about it, you would not be defending it |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #155 |
177. Well I can't codemn it before I learn about it. Then claim to have made an unbiased decission. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #177 |
183. Did you read anything at the link I posted? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #183 |
198. Yes and that is on one side of the balances. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #155 |
201. I have to point this out: The ACLU defended the KKK, and were right to do so. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #201 |
223. They have the right to speak, they have the right to assemble |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #201 |
253. The KKK has a right to assemble and they have a right to their |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
106. I agree with that. These people were treated like cattle |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
109. "In this country..." |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
190. The inclusion of a child into the equation does NOT usurp the constitution. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
87. They sound like manson girls. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
111. A lot of these women truly believe... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Here's the ugly little truth that everybody dances around. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. I don't disagree with what you're saying... |
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PhillyQuaker (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
139. Welfare cheats, child beaters and rapists |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. Welfare cheats? |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. here |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. A judge needs to order some DNA tests for all to find out who the daddys are |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #156 |
173. That is seven years old and focused on Utah... |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #173 |
182. the Texas group is part of the group in Utah |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. How in the hell did you reach that conclusion? |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. because its very well-known- they are all one cult |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. Your link did not implicate the group in Texas... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #197 |
210. Understand Mormonism much? Apparently not. A unit of a Mormon church, even a fundie one, is |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #210 |
226. This has nothing to do with knowledge of mormonism... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #173 |
207. Ummmm....They're the same group. Just like a Mormon ward here in Utah |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #207 |
227. I never said they weren't part of the same group... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #227 |
231. The FLDS as a whole believe in "starving the beast" of govt. through welfare fraud. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. I understand what's being said and I'm not disagreeing...I just asked for a source... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. The lack of understanding is shown here: |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. You've basically repeated what I've said.... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. It does get silly here, sometimes. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. I feel the same a lot of times... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
127. I'm sure the children will be shipped off to good Southern Baptist |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
164. The top leadership of FLDS are Millionaires. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
203. The scary thing is, that actually WOULD be an improvement! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
174. Oh yes. I had the same reaction |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
187. Those women were once just like those children |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
200. Religion/culture |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
202. I know what I'm saying is not politically correct, but here's my story of Mormonism and how women |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
221. I know! |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
222. if that girl exsisted, shes dead now |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #222 |
237. Unfortunately, you may be right. Blood atonement, Danites, and all that. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #222 |
247. IF that girl existed. It's starting to look like a pretty big IF. |
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Mari3333 (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
238. here is the actual interview/link/video |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
260. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't |
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