OMFG. How Creepy Are These Texas Cult Women?

[Rockholm]

They all have the same look. Dead eyes, blank expressions, REALLY bad hair and don't even get me started on those dresses. I wish they would show the men. I am sure they are just as bad. Good Gawd!

[monmouth]

1. When you've been supressed, oppressed and abused as these

women have since they were children, what else could one expect. They have little or no education and are just "used" as baby carriers, housekeepers and nurses. I feel sorry for them.

[jasmine621]

32. Call them what they are: sex slaves. And they don't even know it. nt

[Vinca]

2. I was really bothered by the interview with the one who made like

she was crying over her child being taken away, but there were no tears. It was like Susan Smith after she drove her kids into the lake. I wanted the interviewer to ask her if everything is so wonderful why so many of the young girls were pregnant. That, of course, didn't happen.

[Breeze54]

9. But she said there was "no abuse" there and she fell apart

right after the interview, according to 'what's her face' on ABC their morning show. I think they're
in shock and terrified. One kept saying the children were in grave danger and from reports they've
been told that the outside world is evil and forbidden, so she may believe that the kids will be abused.

[yellowcanine]

3. Whoa. That is really insensitive. These women had their children taken away. They are in shock.

Show some compassion.  And the hair and dresses are obviously a religious expression. Would you make fun of an Amish woman's hair, cap, and long dress?

[Saphire]

4. Ok, I'm gonna rock the boat here. Those women SHOULD have their

children taken away. I'm tired of people treating them like the victims. They were all fully aware that some of their actions were illegal, that's why they wont talk about it. They knew that their young daughters were being sexually abused by those men, that they themselves had been abused....that makes them culpable.

[Cerridwen]

5. Cool. I'll rock the boat right back atcha.

What do you know about this group and its history?

[screembloodymurder]

13. Don't have to know a thing.

The Moron faith is pure bullshit pushed by pedophiles.

[Cerridwen]

16. Yes, please pass judgement without knowledge.

That'll show 'em.

Name-calling is an especially nice touch.

Based on your willingness to forgo knowing, I think I'd better add :sarcasm: so you know what you just read.

[seabeyond]

7. if they lived in a drug house, and did nothing wrong. the house busted. the kids would be taken

regardless if kids were being abused or not, if the moms were good or not. these moms knew stayin there put them and children at risk with law and this is the repercussion. and if they didnt know or have any choice, this is the repercussion of living that life. action reaction. being an adult, being a parent one of the things is to look ahead to avoid pitfall.

[Breeze54]

6. They've been brain washed and abused. They know nothing of the outside

world according to all reports. I feel bad for them. They sound like children.

[Lint Head]

8. When people are controlled with fear for so long they become

subservient robots. Just like the voters that supported the fascist criminals in the White House. :dem:

[kestrel91316]

27. Subservient robots - BINGO.

[fasttense]

10. These women allowed their babies and children to be tortured and raped.

We should all feel sorry for the mothers.

A sixteen year old girl had four children and none of them were multiple births, like twins. Now how did she get that way unless her mother stood back and let some guy rape her daughter at the age of 12.

There is a tape out that instructs polygamists on how to water-board baby girls (as young as two months) so when they grow up, the girls will submit to anything.

Yet, all I hear are these brainwashed women extolling the virtues of polygamy. If it is so great, why do they have to torture baby girls? If polygamy is such a wonderful way of life, why do these male perverts have to rape little girls? Aren't grown women enough?

These pathetic mothers are complicit in the rape and torture of their own children. No wonder they look like throw backs to the 1800's. Their standards of parenting are equal to the standards of the 1800s. If their children were returned, would they pass them over to the fathers for further rape and torture? Probably.

[Cerridwen]

11. Do you know the history

of this group? Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome? Do you know what learned helplessness is?

The link I just provided you has a link to an article in which one woman who escaped, explains how the "conditioning" begins in infancy; as you yourself noted. Funny you realize the "girls will submit to anything" but you expect them to automagically stop submitting when they grow up. At what age should we apply the "they should have something" tag to them?

edit for spelling

[Seabiscuit]

20. That's really irrelevant. The kids should be taken for their own safety.

Stockholm syndrome does not completely eliminate choice, and therefore responsibility for one's actions.

And in any event, the state doesn't have to pass judgment on the mothers' mental competency in order to take action to protect the children from abuse.

[Marrah_G]

12. And that girl would in turn allow it to happen to her children

You have to understand how truly and completely brainwashed these women are. In their reality these things are normal and they way things should be. It is how they were raised, how their mothers and grandmothers were raised.

They know no other reality to compare it to.

It's sad how many victims in this there are. The men on the other hand DO have access to the outside world as adults. Those who were not tossed out as young boys are allowed to travel more freely then the women.

[screembloodymurder]

14. It doesn't take years.

I've seen it happen overnight. They want to submit to the will of others. It makes them feel secure to be part of a group and a leader who tells them what to do. I don't have much sympathy for sheep.

[ileus]

55. 100% well said....nt

[Fleshdancer]

15. where are the interviews with the men?

This really bothers me about the latest media frenzy. Why are we allowing the men to hide behind the same women they have allegedly abused their entire lives?

Showing the obviously rehearsed and coached reactions of the young women who are still living in this compound does nothing more than take the focus off of the men who are accused of the rape/incest/abuse to begin with. How many interviews have to happen before we realize these women will never discuss the multiple wives issue or the fact that young girls are married off in order to justify rape? It's not going to happen. All we're doing now is putting these women up for judgment, resentment, and ridicule while forgetting that they were born into this. They are victims too.

Further proof the "men" involved are spineless cowards.

[Rockholm]

18. Precisely. Where are the men?

[malaise]

40. That is the ultimate question

Where are these tough macho bullies and rapists now?

[gatorboy]

17. You're a really big fan of Entertainment Tonight, aren't you?

[KamaAina]

19. I thought Stepford was supposed to be in Connecticut?

:scared:

[Echo In Light]

21. LOL I actually perceive the typical "Stepford" person as far more common and familiar...

...within the social landscape than these minority cultists.

[PVnRT]

22. I feel sorry for brainwashed victims of a cult

Let's face it, that's what they are.

[underpants]

23. Picking on welfare mothers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3170278&mesg_id=3170278

[XemaSab]

24. The men are raised to be patriarchs and leaders of their families

I'm sure the men are nothing like these women.

[kestrel91316]

28. Rape and wife beating and waterboarding infants are all

highly prized leadership skills to these folks.

[woo me with science]

25. What creeped me out hte most about the video on CNN

was when the woman was giving a tour of the house, and above the children's bunkbeds was a portrait of either the cult leader or a father. No other posters, pictures on the walls. Just a portrait of an adult man above every little girl's bed.

[kestrel91316]

26. The creepiest part to me is those monotone faux-little-girl

high-pitched voices they all share. I guess that's how you talk if you want to "keep sweet".

The clothes and hair aren't quite so creepy to me because I am familiar with the Amish and Mennonites. Though that bouffant thingie right in front is, well, just WRONG.

The dead eyes, the cloned facial appearance (they are inbred, after all), the monotone voices - they are uber-Stepford Wives if you ask me.........

[Critters2]

68. I agree. That just creeps me out.

Btw, I really appreciate your sig file. Thanks for getting the word out!

[uppityperson]

29. Fashion? Style? That is what is creepy? Or was it the shock?

I feel very sorry for anyone who gets creeped out over the fashion, the style of a group. I feel sorry for anyone who gets creeped out by the shock on others faces.

I feel sorry for anyone who wants to see others who are dressed uniformly so they can be more creeped out.

Be creeped out why what they did that was harmful, but fashion? Style? Shock? Shame on you.

[ljm2002]

30. So I have another question...

...where are any older women? Looks to me like all the women at the compound are of child-bearing age, what's up with that? What happens to the older women -- are they put out to pasture somewhere?

This "compound" just reeks of a very bizarre social structure. We already know they torture babies, discard boys and rape girls. What the hell else goes on there???

[CatWoman]

33. you know

that's a VERY GOOD question.............

[kestrel91316]

37. I think the women just plumb wear out and die. Or die in childbirth.

And then they are neatly disposed of in the incinerator/crematory inside the temple.

One might question that little matter of death certificates - IIRC all deaths must be reported, as must all live births.

When the older ones disappear I'm sure the flock is told they became apostate and left of their own free will. We will never know if any (and how many) tried to leave and wound up dead for their trouble. Don't they have a cement plant on the property where unlimited cremains could be tidily disposed of?????

[jasmine621]

31. I really feel sorry for them. Their young children should not have been taken from them.

These women are VICTIMS and they don't even know it. Stepford wives in flesh and blood. The men need to be rounded up, prosecuted for running a sex slave organization. All these men want is a way to have unlimited sex with unlimited women and children and call it religion. It is disgusting. But the children and women are victims to me and especially the young children should not be taken from their mothers. I sure hope the government goes after the tax and welfare fraud these men have been engaged for years as well.

[CatWoman]

34. what you fail to grasp is you are arguing against yourself

the exact reason the children were taken is because these women are victims - victims intent on protecting the very men who are victimizing them.

You think they wouldn't try to keep the children's mouths shut? At any expense?

The mothers' presence, IMHO, would make the kids least likely to talk.

[KitSileya]

41. I agree with you.

In order to save the highest number of kids and women, they need to be kept apart. For now. It's clear the women haven't been de-programmed yet, and they'll need more time and effort to see the error of their fathers' and husbands' way than the children. Yes, it's traumatizing, but being raped at 12 or tossed on the streets at 13 is traumatizing too, and at least now they're on the books and may get the help they need to adjust.

[kestrel91316]

38. The mothers failed in their DUTY to protect their children from abuse.

When they fail to do so, they cease to be victims and instead are perpetrators just as guilty as the men.

[bobbolink]

35. At least they're not compassion impaired.

Fine job of blaming the victims, and painting them as "creepy."

Great going.

:puke:

[CatWoman]

36. Q: did you watch the Larry King interview last night?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

"creepy" is mild compared to what "I" think...........

[bobbolink]

42. How interesting you choose to vilify the victims, rather than the perps.

:cry:

You're proud of having strong NEGATIVE words to describe women who've walked through hell.

With your ethnic background, I'm appalled that you cannot or will not see the connection between what oppressed people in the hast have suffered, and what oppressed people now are suffering.

Yesterday's oppressed become today's oppressors.

When are we going to have the moral backbone to break this pattern of oppression?

I hope these women have the support to grow older and understand the pain of others better than what I see exhibited here on DU.

From the flaming words you've had for me in the past, I'm guessing that rather than take this opportunity to look inside of yourself and question why you would have such harsh words for women who've suffered so much, you will, instead, lash out at me.

This is part of what we've become as Dems... we don't even look any more at our own part in things.

So, lash away, and enjoy yourself.

Someday it may come back to you.

Bye now....

[CatWoman]

45. oh, cry me a fucking river

what I saw on television last night had me so god damned mad, I kept screaming at the television.

these robotic "women" kept repeating the same tired cliches over and over. They must be Republican, because they sure knew how to stay on message.

Larry King asked three of them, several times, "where is the father"? "is the father trying to see the children?" Is the father/your husband trying to get them back?"

And they all kept repeating the same garbage over and over. "It's about the children"?

Really? It's about the children, huh?

It appears to me their main concern is sheltering those fat, greasy scumbags molesters from prosecution. The children's well-being is secondary.

And that's what I meant by my comments above.

I'm aware of what these women have been through, but do I have to applaud their defense of the vermin that put them AND their kids through it?

So YOU need to cut out the pompous bullshit and get out of the mind reading business.

[bobbolink]

46. Thank you so much for showing your true stripes.

Then you wonder why so many people say there isn't a dime's difference between Republicans and Democrats.

You have laid it all out.

[CatWoman]

49. actually

you should see my polka dots.

[bobbolink]

50. I think we have.

[CatWoman]

52. You are part of the problem, not me

stop excusing these women based on their past abuse and misuse. you're just like the networks.

they had horrible lives. that is well established. now is the time for them to overcome that. for the sake of their kids. if they love and cherish their children as much as they say, they are going to have to reach deep inside themselves and face the truth.

Look to the future, and hope that they will as well.

It can be done.

It only takes one step.

Bye.

[bobbolink]

53. Yes, you are always the perfect one.

It's clear in all your posts.

And that gives you the right to look down on everyone else.

Yesterday's oppressed become today's oppressors.

A walking example.

[CatWoman]

54. I'm far from perfect

I just don't have much tolerance for stupidity and weakness.

Again, those women have to reach deep inside themselves to find the strength they need to save their children and themselves.

And they need to stop making excuses for those who put them in this position.

If they truly love their children as much as they say, this is what must be done.

If they truly want their kids back in their life, this is what must be done.

If they truly want to better their lot in life, this is what must be done.

There's no such thing as Prince Charming. We as women were fed this shit from the day we came into the world.

I speak from experience.

And I don't have any respect or patience for and with people like you who keep spouting excuses.

The circle must be broken. These women are caught up in a vicious circle. It HAS to be broken.

I speak form experience.

I'm a survivor.

Perhaps in my journey out of the abyss I lost some of my humanity.

In your eyes, anyway.

However, I can live with that.

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[CatWoman]

58. don't get me wrong

I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, and I've had to pay for it.

I don't want my kids to pay for my stupidity.

that's the difference between me, you and those women.

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[Beaverhausen]

47. those women have been abused their entire lives since they were babies.

Why are you blaming them?

[lumpy]

60. Anyone who screams at the television set doesn't appear

to be very rational to me.

[CatWoman]

61. guilty as charged. lots of people do it. in the real world anyway.

are you on the side of the filthy, fat, greasy, bastards who raped those young girls?

next.............

[lumpy]

65. I am on the side of decency and justice, if that answers

your question.

[CatWoman]

67. you could have fooled me

to question and "try" to ridicule someone for being upset and yelling at the tv and try to portray them as unhinged doesn't jibe with your search for truth, justice and the American Way.

Maybe I should hang out with the Justice League, huh?

[lumpy]

69. I said I am on the side of decency and justice.

Didn't mention anything about searching for the truth, it being such an illusive thing these days. Didn't mention anything about searching for the American Way either; the American Way is becoming a rather unpleasant thing to be pursuing.

[XemaSab]

44. Agreed

It's not about the hair or the clothes, it's about that breathy, overly calm way of describing everything.

Even when they're "upset" about having the kids taken away... I mean those are the only points where they almost sound like normal people, but the rest of the time.... and it's obvious that they're lying about seeing teenage girls marry older men, but they're so brainwashed that they don't realize how obvious it is that they're lying.

These women are victims as much as the kids are, but that doesn't mean that they're not complicit in the abuse, and SHOULD have their kids taken away.

[last_texas_dem]

39. I imagine that they're just as creeped out by mainstream American fashion

I'm not defending what went on in that place at all... but in terms of criticizing these people based on their appearance- well, I don't really get it.

[bobbolink]

43. All there is to get is that people are enjoying themselves castigating the victims

who happen to be women and children, rather than the perps.

Enlightened "progressives"????

:cry:

[Beaverhausen]

48. You are far creepier than those women

It would be nice if *some* people here could show some understanding about what kind of lives these women have led.

[bobbolink]

51. This is such a good example of how impossible it seems to be for

"liberals" to look deep inside themselves, and see many of the same traits they castigate the RW for.

Is it any wonder our party is imploding???

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[lumpy]

64. It is creepy how many people dwell on a persons dress,

hairdos etc. Very shallow , without depth or understanding and with a good dose of ignorance.

[jayfish]

57. Creepy As Hell.

The last time I checked though, creepy wasn't a crime. Thank your deity it isn't either. Can you imagine, how may Mods or Punks or Goths or Metal Heads or whatever would be locked up for being... ...well, creepy?

[aldo]

59. Are there only a few of us concerned about the Government's power here?

Taking 400 children away from their families because of one anonymous phone call? That's evidence? You know they did all those horrible things because the government told you so? By all means prosecute crimes, but then you need evidence.

[lumpy]

66. I really haven't been following this event very closely.

Has there been any revelations, evidence or grounded facts about this case?

[kestrel91316]

70. Here's a summary of what's going on in this case:

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-09_chronology.asp

They entered the compound with probable cause (based on the phone call). Once there, they observed with their own eyes evidence of child rape (pregnant children) and the original call became MOOT.

Added on edit - the original affidavit:
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site297/2008/0408/20080408_033754_FLDS_Affidavit.pdf